I often hear from racers speaking of the 1/4 scale cars in the early days. They talk about the hard shell bodies (fiberglass), the engines, the chain drives, the v-belt drives and the tires. A couple of local racers told me they use to make their own tire treads from go-kart tires. I could not imagine what it took to get them even trued.



This information is interesting & fascinating. We don't realize how much the early year racers helped pioneer the hobby we race today.



Anyone have interesting 1/4 scale information, stories or even pics to share?



Thanks,
Tim

This is an oldy but a goodie and just look @ that price!http://cgi.ebay.com/1-4-Quarter-Scale-Car-Skellenger-Quick-Change-Rear-End_W0QQitemZ110152305895QQihZ001QQcategoryZ19168Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

as far as chassies go hands down to new era thats one the best looking to me still peace of art if i was to build a chassie it would be it with modern hardware i think it would be bad to the bone (i just love that full cage design)

I have this posted on our website under History:

Quarter Scale R/C car racing in Michigan - A brief History

It all started in a basement of a medical building on 8 mile road in Detroit, Michigan. At the time an enthusiast had purchased a car and was having difficulties assembling it. He called a friend and that person called a friend and soon a meeting was set up. A meeting was held to show everyone the sprint car produced by W.C.M. of Buffalo, Texas. At that meeting were a few 1/8 scale R/C racers, including Jim Blaha, “Stubby” Wilfong, Lou Przybyla, Jerry Grasby and John Druskinis. The appearance and resemblance to a full size outlaw sprint car caught everyone’s attention.

Trying to find a place to use the cars was a little more difficult than with smaller scale R/C cars. It was decided that if we organized, it might make it easier to find a spot of asphalt to use. The Great Lakes Quarter Scale Racers club was formed with its first President being Jim Blaha.

The club had some success but a location for practice and racing was not happening. Jim had other obligations and the presidency was moved to John Druskinis. Meetings were held – at first in Lansing - when interest in ¼ scale began to take off. John became a distributor of W.C.M cars (one of the first in the country) and that eased the availability issue. Many more of the other R/C car racers joined the club, including Dave Lee, Marv Thomson, and others. There was also interest in the Toledo, Ohio area with Roger Martin - a previous Toledo Quarter Midget Club director – joining and supporting the club efforts.

Early on, the club was successful at securing a home on quarter midget tracks in Waterford, Michigan and Toledo, Ohio. Eventually the ¼ scale cars became more interesting than the quarter midgets and the Waterford club “tossed out” the R/C cars. That left the Toledo track which then became the “host track” of the GLQSR.

At about this time, John received a call from Keith Famie ( a Royal Oak restaurant owner and entrepreneur) about setting up a charity race. John did not have time to devote to organizing the race with the Royal Oak city council, and asked Jim Blaha to attend the city council meetings. To make a long story short, through the efforts of Keith Famie, John Druskinis, and Jim Blaha the Royal Oak Grand National race was created. John had also become a Raco distributor at the time and invites to all of the ¼ scale racers throughout the country were sent out. The response was great and included many racers from around the country including Jon Rahe (owner of Raco). The first race was a success and a large amount of money was raised for the “Make a Wish” foundation. The table was set for a long (and still standing ) relationship with the City of Royal Oak.

Quarter scale was starting to take off in popularity across the country. In particular rumors of a permanent track in Illinois were spreading. The track was in Machesney Park, Illinois. Jack Hendrick the owner and John Druskinis conversed to see if a series could be formed between Machesney Park and the GLQSR club, using the Toledo Quarter Midget track as their home base. This was set up and soon racers from the Midwest were attending races at Toledo as well as Machesney Park raceway.

The GLQSR club continued to grow. John Druskinis helped to form QSAC which helped to organize and enforce rules throughout the country for ¼ scale cars. Races at the Knoxville Nationals, Indy raceway Park, Freedom Hill, and others were held and the hobby was well on its way to being a solid performer in R/C car racing. Eventually GLQSR was well stocked with Lansing, Michigan area drivers and Randy Brown became the GLQSR club President. The rest is history and the club continues to flourish today.

The original members of the GLQSR went on to other interests. Jim Blaha passed away several years ago. Stubby Wilfong retired and last heard was enjoying his grandchildren. Lou Przybyla continues to race R/C cars as a hobby (a longtime supporter). John Druskinis raced ¼ scale for many years and decided to look into other hobbies which now include street rod fabrication.

The GLQSR club, the Royal Oak Grand National race, the Knoxville Nationals races, and Machesney Park raceway continue on to this present day.

The old cars were fascinating. They still are to me. I have alot of older cars because back when I seen my first 1/4 scale there was no way I could afford them back then.( I was 13 years old)

Now I have some of the cars I always wanted and dont have a few I still want. The skellengers are a work of art by themselves. I have a PRC car I am still trying to restore, full cage and a outlaw version. I have a New Era on ebay right now full cage independent rear with chain drive. I've only seen a couple like this one. I'll post a few pics.

I wish the cars we race today were more like the ones of yesteryear. Full cages, solid rear axles. more realistic bodys, these cars were really neat.

this is a pic of a PRC outlaw car without the bumpers on it. The red car is the new era I have on ebay now. really neat car.

http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/500/100_15241.jpg


http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/500/medium/100_1513.jpg

The history behind 1/4 scale is a very long and complicated story..... In my eyes the guys that made it happen were Jon Rae, Lance Love, Todd Bishop, Jeff Schmidt and of course Jack and Steve skellenger.

The history behind 1/4 scale is a very long and complicated story..... In my eyes the guys that made it happen were Jon Rae, Lance Love, Todd Bishop, Jeff Schmidt and of course Jack and Steve skellenger. These guys were amazing people that spent thousands of dollars to make nearly nothing and have racers and qsac just turn their backs on them.

I would like to know how the racers and QSAC turned their backs on Jon Rae, Lance Love and Todd Bishop, Jeff Schmidt and Jack and Steve Skellenger. I have been in the hobby since 1994 and I just don't understand where you can say QSAC turned its back on them. ??

Fred Murry :confused:

I said too much. Sorry.

I’ve been racing 1/4 scale off and on since 95 and around the q-scale world since the early 90's. I would say the information you have been given is not correct or is greatly exaggerated.

The WCM K1 car probably sparked the biggest boom the 1/4 scale world ever saw. They also had other belt cars before that.

As far as the Skellenger rear end yes it was a work of art but it was also horrible inefficient. That is why most drivers did not use them.

I would have to dissagree with the WCM car. The Jacrabbit was the biggest thing that the 1/4 scale market ever saw. That was the best selling 1/4 scale car of all time. The belt cars of early years applied the centerline rule. The car WCM built that was illegal was the belt drive like we see today. I dont think the QC rear was horrible inefficient... it does have a small amount of more friction then a belt but not enough to make it a slower car, especially with the price we pay for the loss of a scale look. Here is a neat pic of old stuff :)

http://www.quarterscalelegends.com/bb/files/sprint_qc_156.jpg

Those molds look like the molds for the Skellenger? Are they for Sale or available to pour some parts off of?
Thanks
Stuch

Yea, those are the skellenger molds. Parts will be available next year.

Yea, those are the skellenger molds. Parts will be available next year.

You've given bold opinions and assertions.

You've retracted words on this conference.

You are teasing us with gems from the past.

It would only be fair for you to identify yourself so we know with whom we are communicating on this thread.

Regards,

Joe Brooks
:thumbsup:

[QUOTE=QSL]I would have to dissagree with the WCM car. The Jacrabbit was the biggest thing that the 1/4 scale market ever saw. That was the best selling 1/4 scale car of all time.

I dont think the QC rear was horrible inefficient... it does have a small amount of more friction then a belt but not enough to make it a slower car, especially with the price we pay for the loss of a scale look.

Sorry I should have stated that differently. I was referring to the K car having the biggest impact for 1/4 scale oval racing.

The Skellenger rear definitely looks great and adds a lot of scale realism (something today’s sprint cars are lacking IMO). But as I remember most of the faster racers would not use them on the 1.25 motors because the did add enough drag and weight to rob speed. If I remember correctly the weight limit in those days was an ultra light 18lbs.

I was in high school back then and my budget would not allow for a 1/4 scale Sprint. But I loved they way they looked and always knew one day when I had the funds I would get one. Up until that day I just did a lot of research on them.

Joe, I am not anyone special just a collector and I run a 1/4 scale history website. As far as retracting statements, yes, sometimes I speak without thinking first :)

Sonny, i understand what you are saying but if you look in the past you will see that some of the top racers had QC rears in their cars. These were even standard in some cars as well.

Nice pics and posts. Keep the history stuff coming!

The first 1/4 scale car that I can remember was a Sprint car. Back then late 70's early 80's Birmingham R/C club had about 30 full time & active members and a fellow from Ohio brought the car to our club to promo it. Jack Rabbit, maybe, I can't remember.

Early 80's down south, Raco, AE engineering and several others were the only approved qsac cars. I do remember the flap over the WCM and the non traditional look of their cars drive train.
I guess that's so much water under the bridge along with fiberglass & ABS bodies.

I have some old pictures of races at the AE facility in Clinton, Mississippi, I'll look the up and hopefully scan then and hopefully be able to post them.

Hey Tim like my avitar? Deposit made and waiting on car.

Mike Clark

Mike,

Keep the history info coming.

The car?..you made a good choice. Jim is the Man!! You will enjoy doing business with him. I guess you could say my visit over to Jerry's was kinda like a car salesman dangling the keys in front of ya?!...LOL.

I look forward to racing with you. What about Ronnie?


The first 1/4 scale car that I can remember was a Sprint car. Back then late 70's early 80's Birmingham R/C club had about 30 full time & active members and a fellow from Ohio brought the car to our club to promo it. Jack Rabbit, maybe, I can't remember.

Early 80's down south, Raco, AE engineering and several others were the only approved qsac cars. I do remember the flap over the WCM and the non traditional look of their cars drive train.
I guess that's so much water under the bridge along with fiberglass & ABS bodies.

I have some old pictures of races at the AE facility in Clinton, Mississippi, I'll look the up and hopefully scan then and hopefully be able to post them.

Hey Tim like my avitar? Deposit made and waiting on car.

Mike Clark

Hmmm, late 70's early 80's would probably make it a Pacesetter sprint car. Jeff was the first guy to make a RC 1/4 scale car. It was built in 1979 and he sold a ton of them. They were really a neat car and even had a QC rear in them. He also sold them in "kit" form with raw castings and he also sold blue prints for them if you wanted to try to build one from scratch. It was not until the mid 80's when Raco came out with the JR or also known as the supermod.

Jerry Evans of Hueytown had a Skell Quick change in his AE Grand National. While some say it did preset some drag in the drive train, Jerry's car was always darn fast.
and cornered great and did not get loose on the exit of a fast turn, under power. Not just brag, he has videos of his races.

Mike Clark

Qsl, I see what you have to see hear.Not sure i can agree with alot you say.You talk about the Ca.car builders.Why don't you mention Quickdraw,GLD,Pheonix Arrow,Auto Enginering,Gram Cracker race cars.
As far as i remember there was some bad feelings with Raco first,because of the independent rear.Now some of you older guys might remember.(i don't mean any disrespect by older).THe guys from the middle of the country might remember (Dave Lee Quarterscale Connection ) he made a timming belt drive system for drag racing.Not sure if he did it before WCM.Fred you might know.
Mike(QSL)Getting back to why the QC were taking out of the cars.Was cost of the rear compared to the belt.I won't put out the real reason why the Skellengers were stopped on an open forum.Just let me tell i do know why.I did not read it in a magizine.I have been around 1/4 scale since 1991.I was told to come to this post to see how you have p****D off the qsac forum.Today i had a customer call me"Equal Opportunity Offender" because he knows i will tell it straight.

Sorry guys for the long post.It took a while to type.Some of you know me.

Thanks ED
First Quarter Racing

Ed: Not sure who was the first to use the timming belt drive. I do remember the early WCM sprinters had belt drives of a few different configurations, all had the xl series belts in the primary drive and the second drive was one of three different drives, vee belt, chain and an L series belt. The stock cars were the same way back then. That was back a few years.

Fred

Why would I mention Quickdraw,GLD,Pheonix Arrow,Auto Enginering,Gram Cracker?????? What did I say would merit speaking about them????

Sorry ED, I dont get my information from magazines. I think getting information from the source is always the best.

Fred you are right.I can not remember when we last talked when you first became involed in 1/4 scale.(Quarterscale Connection Dave Lee Lansing Mi.)His timming belt system was being used when the jackshaft was still around 1991.(The year 1991 was taken from the magizine.For QSL.How i know Mike is that i made him aluminum clutch bells with a steel insert which he did his own testing.

Mike First of all you were talking about just cars or people that did everything for 1/4 scale.You stated that John and Jeff were the the backbone of 1/4 scale in your eyes.Since you get the first hand account of things,ask John if he ever met me. Just like the other manufacturers in Ca.that i have talked to before you knew about 1/4.Then you try to stuff the Skellenger molds in everyone's face.Knowing you would get guys asking questions.When the both of us know before you build one rear.It will have to be oked with someone else.Some guys on here as well as me see how you flip flop.So why don't you just tell everyone here who are instead of i am no one just a collector.You aleast owe them that.
I brought up Quickdraw,GLD,Pheonix Arrow,i forgot Edelbrock/Delara.They all used the skellenger rear.Auto Enginering,Gram Cracker,Race Tech are or were manufacturers. That you did not give credit to for helping 1/4 scale keep a float,or are still making cars today.
Thanks to the board i will try to keep future post short.
Ed Berube
First Quarter Racing

Uh a lot of good names mentioned here but nobody with all this knowledge (supposedly) has even thought about mentioning Lance Love and the PRC cars! Now here was a company (man, wife and daughter) that made a full cage car, equipped with a skellenger qc, made and sold foam tires, made and sold lexan bodies, and let me say too that he was a dominant factor against the single belt drive cars of today when they FIRST came out! I remember being a dealer for PRC and if it wasn't for THEM at THAT time, 1/4 scale would have fallen way off the charts!
My 2 cents...

:) ED, you crack me up :)

Who do I need to ask before I make one part? Please let me know, this is news to me.
I am truthful with saying I am a collector. I dont pretend to be some legend from the past or anything like that. Simply just a fan of the hobby, nothing else.

Cool, you can list manufacturers from the past. Re-read my earlier post, I was not naming companies that kept it alive. I was naming the PEOPLE that made it happen and I stand by that list.

Rattler, I mentioned lance in my first post, he is one hell of a guy. Out of everyone I have met in this hobby he and his family have been the best. I am honored to have them as friends, they are very good people.

I raced with Lance and Georgette many times at many tracks and they always treated me fairly and with respect! You can't ask for much more than that!

As for getting into a pissing match with first25q (ed)? I'd let it go! It's not worth the time or trouble! Believe ME!

oh, ED, please detail out how I "stuff the Skellenger molds in everyone's face" ? I am not sure if you understand the concept of my website, but it surrounds the history of 1/4 scale cars, manufacturers and parts. To me, SHARING pictures is what the site is about. Everyone there has commented how neat it is to see them, if you dont like looking at the pictures, then avoid that thread. As far as the posts go here, I wanted to see if there was anyone interested in this stuff over here. No big deal.

Rattler, do you remember a guy named Dino? He helped build the cars and he was on the race team. He is still around.... cool guy. It is too much fun when they all come over and we watch old 1/4 scale racing videos, Georganne knows everyone in those! She was like the ambassador at races. Lance was much more seriouse... his cars always looked like show cars.

Alright you guys. Loose the 'tudes and start talking civil to each other. No more "pissing match" stuff or I lock the thread. Let's also all try and respect each others opinions.

Clear enough?

As an aside, something to remember is that our memories of the past are always colored by our own perceptions and biases. And just because one "legend" gets left off of a persons list doesn't mean that person is intending any malice w/the omission. They might have forgotten a person or never knew of that person.

Sorry griffworks, I did not mean to disrespect the site. I will be good :)

Grif,

Though it looked as if these guys were about to throw down, they actually shared more about the history of 1/4 scale (which is the intent of the thread) in their somewhat flamed posts than has been shared yet! Let'em have a little slack! I'm sure they'll remain civil enough. :)


Alright you guys. Loose the 'tudes and start talking civil to each other. No more "pissing match" stuff or I lock the thread. Let's also all try and respect each others opinions.

Clear enough?

As an aside, something to remember is that our memories of the past are always colored by our own perceptions and biases. And just because one "legend" gets left off of a persons list doesn't mean that person is intending any malice w/the omission. They might have forgotten a person or never knew of that person.

It was my mistake of missing the original post from QSL regarding Lance Love!
My post not intended as a flame but I DO know how first25 can be sometimes! LOL

It's all good, fellas. Just please try and remember to respect each others thoughts and opinions on issues. No flames are needed just because you disagree w/someone's point of view.

That's all I'm askin' and I'm sure Hank appreciates it when things run more smoothly, as well.

NP Griffworks
Stay safe in Iraq keep up the good work.

ED

You guys threw out mfgs & the folks behind them but failed to give us details about the cars, the bodies and their performances. I'm fascinated by the history of 1/4 scales and the improvements made over the years.

Does it really matter when, where and why the numbers declined? It should only matter the route of getting the numbers back.

In my opinion, I feel that Auto Engineering had the best of the best when it came to the NEW "speedway" version of a full size car back when they all had a solid axle! Low center of gravity, square tube main frame rails made this car a REAL contender! The steering servo saver had a lot to be desired but it sure could handle the corners good and at speed! They made this car with a single belt and skellenger QC drive! It was sad to see the Benton's quick making the car but as usual, hard feelings ran them off as it has many others!

Rattler for AE was it bad feelings or that Lorenzo went on to full racing in FLA.Remember his dad raced full size in his day.With a car #55 just like on their 1/4 scale.On the GN the a-arms were mounted to plate like Quick Draw and WCM of today.The a-arms were a little bit thin for me. The super mod,Indy Car,and the Pro Stock were well built cars.The pro stock used a Raco rear bolted to the engine.Off the line the front end would lift and the engine would tilt back for more rear bite a good idea.I hope of the new drag manufactures would check this out,since drag racing looks to be coming back.

Ed

Don't know why you would think the a-arms were too thin! They measure 1/4 inch thick and look to be pretty stout. Let's just say I never saw one break or bend in all the times I ran one and after talking to an old friend who STILL has one, he never did either! Then again, you MUST know how to drive one to stay off the walls! LOL Just curious, have you ever driven one?
As for the AE sprinter? Yes it was a good car but a take off of the WCM of the same era! You can ask Lorenzo, or anyone else, about how HIS sprinter, which was different than the ones made for sale, stacked up against a Quickdraw when they ran together at a Kart track in Barnseville, Ga.! I already know the answer! :) That was back when we could run the fuel we wanted to and pipes were very legal! Talk about HORSEPOWER! Stock G23 motor, old white plastic wy-16 carb with main jet, tuned pipe, coupled with proplylene oxide mixed in with c-16 and good ole' blendzall kart racing oil! Now them was the days! Only thing different from then to now is, you COULD be legally fast but you had to drive the car too! Now you can't be fast, you JUST have to be equal! :(

Hi Rattler seems like you have been around for a while.you have a vast knowledge of 1/4 scale.Does it bother you that lorenzo had a different car than the rest of us.Since you are well versed in 1/4 scale or any scale.The drivers in the smaller classes who drive for the manufacturers have cars or parts that we can't get.Is this true?Since you know so much about me, i quess i should know a little about you.LAUGHS on you i know who you are.Typing is just like fingersprints.See i don't have to hide some prople have too. Just keep up the good work one day you might be able to be in my leauge.
Thanks for your reponse. lets stay in touch.In case you lost my number here it is. 508-567-1777
ED

First off I wasn't trying to hide, never have!
As for Lorenzo running something different than anyone elzse? Nope didn't bother me a bit to beat him like I did! He led just about the whole race until the pressure I was putting on him with the QD got to him and he slipped! The best part was he almost put me a lap down at one point and I ran him down, he slipped, and to the front I went, ALL UNDER GREEN! Needless to say, he didn't have very much to talk about after that but John came over and told me it was a good race! I then found out that supposedly, he had a tire coming apart. I accepted that and headed home, with the win of course!
I might also add that that was the first time I ran a full bodied car. It too was an AE speedway car that had a QC rear. I built it right there at the track the day before I raced it. It literally was in pieces and Bob Moore says to me, as he handed it to me in a box, "here, have this thing built by the time we go to lunch and return"! When he and John returned from lunch, I was just about done with the roller part. I still had to put in a motor and linkages. Anyway, to make a long story short, it got done in time to race the next day. I finished somewhere around 7-8th. Had to learn a lot about steering differences from sprint car to full body car!

To answer your question about drivers that have special cars and parts so to speak? Yes and no! I work for everything I get and I feel my money is green so why should someone get special priviledges just because he has "their" car? I have one of the same cars but prices to me are regular and sometimes the parts are regular where as some are VERY different for their driver/s! One example is, a certain frame is made to sell to the public. That same frame is made with lighter or thinner tubing for THEIR driver! Is that equal? To be honest, I think it would be more fair and equal, if there weren't ANY sponsors of drivers! QSAC wants everyone on a equal playing field. It never has been and never will be, IMHO! I think that's why you see 1/4 scale OVAL racing struggling year after year! Up one year, down the next! Too many favorites! The public is not blind, only the sanctioning body!

Nice post a lot of useful info. Wasn't Bob Moore a QSAC offical.Seems like you tell the same story year after year.I hope someone will take the time to listen to your words of wisdom.Like i told you in my last post i know you.Just like you know me.Stop living in the past.You brought up the unfair of certain guys getting special treatmemt.

If you as good as you say.How come Mitch did not make you a team driver for QD.We both know why.
You have my number call me i want to hear how your are doing.Its sad to see that you are still bitter about QSAC.
ED

Oh i'm not at all bitter with qsac! I just wish they could see things or do things the way a LOT of guys would want them! Same story year after year could be because it's the facts as they are! I don't candy coat anything. I don't need to. If you weren't there back then then you have no justification. I WAS and I CAN!
As for QD making me a team driver? First off, I so glad you know all the answers AND about ME but the truth is, they didn't have them! I was a QD dealer which meant I got parts at a 30% discount! I won my fair share of sprint car races with their car and Mitch helped me a whole lot. I still have the same car today sitting on a shelf!
Bob Moore was in deed a QSAC official. In fact he is doing good these days with his legend (full size) cars. He and Tom Hargrave were the original C0-Chairman! Tom has since left us but Bob is doing good! Bob and Tom would communicate and listen to what the racers wanted. Sometimes we got it, sometimes not but one thing we did get was heard along with respect!
I'm not liviing the past as you say! Isn't a thread about "then and now"?

If guys want changes made, and its the same year after year.Why don't you start a new club.You been around for a long time and have lived it.
I was hoping you would call me or give me your number.I been thinking up an opening conversation for ice breaking.Remember the winter nats. in FLA. What was it called?(HINT it is in the above sentence) You said you know me,but we know its easy to leave your name out.Why, you have nothing to hide your words?
Getting back to QD and you won plenty of races,and its now and then.I am interested
in knowing at which tracks and races you have won.Since at the time frame you are speaking of there were that many tracks to race at.
I was a AE dealer which meant I got parts at a 30% or even better we traded parts.In your statement about the a-arms 1/4 thick you are not teaching me anything.

Last post you are wasting my time.I have enjoyed our conversation.I wish was not on here.People who come here should not have to read anything about me and you.To me you need it to feel important.With your vast knowledge of 1/4 scale.You think you might use it to help other guys learn about 1/4 scale.You have my number take a chance i might know more than you think.
Just a thought maybe you should run to be a QSAC offical.
I will give you the last post.

Thanks ED
First Quarter Racing

How about some info we all can relate too?

Boy this is real productive!!!!!!!

Rattler and first25q-

Would both of you care to give your complete names? I know I would greatly appreciate it and I am sure others would as well.

Regards,

Joe Brooks
QSAC Member #39
:thumbsup:

i think i know who rattler is :wave:

rattler, I got your email. I am with you bud even though we had our differences in the past :) I didnt realize that was you!

Later.

First of all, I have NO idea what the heck he just said but to answer one of his questions about where I raced and did pretty good with my QD car would be tracks like the parking lot track I ran in Warner Robbins, Ga and the parking lot track in Ocala, Fl or the parking lot track in SC where the air base or the real track in Lakeland, Fl. owned by Louie Burton or the track before that that was run by Bud Rice. Yea back then Ed, they didn't have many REAL tracks as most were just plain ole' parking lots.
As for making changes and staring a new club? I guess you didn't know that that has already been tried and within the last 5 or so years! Maybe you din't know as much as you thought you did and NO I'm not trying to know more than you or start a pissing match! Just making some facts be known!
As for me being a qsac official? Nah, the ones they have in place are doing a great job and have been. They can only work with what they have to work with and with that they are doing good!
As for my name? Most everyone in 1/4 scale knows me and who I am. I'm not hiding behind my login. My login name represents my products that have been mfgr'd for the last couple of years. I cannot and will not advertise on here due to the rules of this forum so no need for me to go into detail regarding that!
You surprise me though as you start your post out on a calm note but from the sound of it, it turned sour pretty quick! I don't need to nor do I intend to try and prove anything to you or anyone else. I will do my OWN thing MY way when I can and HOW I can! Until now, for the last year or so, that has worked out just fine!
I don't need to call you or converse with you for any reason or any matter that cannot be conversed here publicly! If this is not the correct forum, please someone direct me to it!

Tim, I thought this was kind of a history on 1/4 scale discussion! I surely didn't want it to sway from it as I was merely trying to let people know how it was with ME personally back in the early days of sprinters and the transition to full body cars!

Joe, it's ME! We recently talked on the phone about the car I just sold and you kind of were looking for!
RATTLER...