Ok here it is, Caps are a niche as I see it, The guys down south run them, but will they make the drive out of their state ? I have watched for a while now different really good people fight to get them to work. Its not the foam on the track its rained since that race.
I want to make this Summer championship race a yearly thing, I want a good turn out. If that means running foams to get the majority then so be it, If I can get a decent turn out with caps only, then that's fine as well. So here is the pole, What do you the racers want to run :confused:

Just a request, I would like only the people that would plan on coming to vote. For the others it really doesn't concern you. This is about this race. Not just a pole for nice to know info. :thumbsup:

I'm in favor of foam

i'm in for foams ......................

My vote is for Caps
Done wasted all my foam at the other event.

My be right about easier on the out of town guys, but in my view, caps will be easier on my pockets

my vote is for caps if not these cap tires i bought might never get used!

Foam will be for me...
Look at it this way......late in outdoor season to run caps, which one may have to buy what ever componds work at this track.
How many classes will you enter if you have to race caps versus foam.
How many times will you be back at Freddies to race caps, if your local cap tire track uses different compounds.
just something to think about before you decide on what to vote for or against
Just my 1 cent for now
I've been to Freddies................all i have to say is wow....wow.....wow....
Can't wait to go back............................... Jorge Moreira

208 people looked at it 15 voted ? One I threw out which leaves me 7 to 7 ? You rnot helping with any decision :rolleyes:

hey i voted for caps but i can buy some foams if i have to.

We could always have a cap class and a foam class

We could always have a cap class and a foam class
I have thought of that, and it is very true. See Jeff has a great mind just like me :)

Freddie: How long have you been in this "man's" hobbie?? BE ASSERTIVE!!! Don''t you know that racers can't make up their mind between Chocolate and Vanilla? Throw in Strawberry and they are totally confused.

Sometimes the truth hurts, but the final outcome is the Truth is the Truth. :thumbsup: :p :confused:

I have thought of that, and it is very true. See Jeff has a great mind just like me :)

Now I am scared......Very Very SCARED :tongue:

Just another point, We wanted to run caps at the Worlds event, you said no because it was billed out to be a foam race. But at the Worlds Event, you said the Next big race was to run on caps.

The guys that all tested caps at the track before the Worlds, would be glad to tell their setups to help the out of towners on what tires worked.

Also... we ran caps while others were out on the track grinding foam, it did not effect the traction. In fact Mike Pavlick was 3 tenths faster running caps then when running foams. The foam tires were just grinding away and costing time thru the corners.

I wouldnt even mind running caps on the right and foams on the left...

Just a few other points to ponder

Just a few other points to ponder

Points to ponder from Jeff, I have such a diverse group of guys and girls. Its not just racing, its like being in a advanced learning center :tongue:

Are they doing the Cap thing agian this week?

Are they doing the Cap thing agian this week?
Well if you would show up once in a while you would know these things, YES and to be honest after seeing what I have scene for the last few weeks. Its really looking like the Summer champioship race will be run on foams.

And just to put a stop to the BS before it starts Certain people who may of ran caps early in the year is one thing, the track has changed and you would not know this do to the fact you have not been here. I am still open to caps, but as its looking right now, its going to be a foam race.

Certain people!!! LOLOLOLOL

Freddie is right,the track has changed since the asphalt was first put down. A few of us have tried to find the right tire combo for the last two weeks.and all we are doing is getting frustrated. I can't imagine trying to race with a bunch of other cars on the track at one time,it would not be pretty. Maybe we are missing something,but I don't think so. COME ON OUT AND GIVE IT A TRY and then give it your honest opinion. I think we should go back to foams

Rick White

My .02cents for free

I voted caps, although it is starting to look like it is going to be pointless. I respected Freddie's vote to not allow caps at the ARCOR race...shame that logic is not being used here. Hopefully the decision will be made soon enough so i can plan my schedule (again)

I was looking forward to using my Easley cars for some testing at Freddie's after the Nats. That track has a similar run line and less banking to "hold" the cars and getting around is not a problem. Granted caps can be different to figure out but let us atleast try.....otherwise----->:wave:

Joe Retherford

The Arcor race was a foam race because it was what was advertised from the start. 5 months after the fact was not the time to change it. I did say we would make this race caps. Call me a neophyte, but I never in a million years would of thought it would have been this difficult to run. I have got some of the countries best racers here 1-2 days a week from 8 in the morning to dark almost. If these people cannot get things to run, why would I expect normal every day racers, who would like to go to a race and have fun and compete to stand a chance. Does the car go around the track ? yes as long as one babies it. Expect 10 at a time to be out there? That’s just stupid to think that would ever work here.

As a track owner, holding a race and attracting 25 people to it doesn’t do me much good. Going to foams were we already know of 76 people that ran them successfully, they would consider coming back.

I will set my decision in stone at the end of the month. I have yet to see any of these so called cap racers show up and make them work. Talks cheep. Show me

You have some of the countries best cap racers?

They know the techniques for getting cap tires to hook up?
The thought of trying to apply effort towards a lost cause does not appeal to me.

On a happier note it looks like you have built a killer track...even worthy of a Paved Oval Nationals as evident by the pictures we have seen. I will be interested in your decision at the end of the month.

The last weekend for trying caps, All of these self proclaimed cap racers need to show me, talk is cheep. If we do not get them to run this weekend the Summer Championship will be a foam race.

Freddie, is there any guess as to why caps wont hook up? Just curious?

Thanks, Jim

Freddie, is there any guess as to why caps wont hook up? Just curious?

Thanks, Jim

Well Jim, I really do not know, I have never ran them myself. I have had a 4 time national champ here and 2 others that I know what they are doing. They have went through at least a couple of grand in caps. When Mike ran them here the track was brand new, the tits were still on the new asphalt, the fence wasn't in, etc. I think maybe with the new asphalt the oils are coming up. Last Sunday toward the end of the day it seems to be fine but terribly on the edge. I could not imagine being able to race and dodge others with them.

I have read a few people saying we must not know what we are doing ? :rolleyes: Like I have said talk is cheep, show me. I know we can have a nice close race with foams and everyone has them already. Why reinvent the wheel just to be frustrated. This is the last weekend I will wait and see then make my decision Monday. I can tell you if I do not see a big improvement Sunday it will be a foam race.

well the oil does make sense...and that would make it very slick. How do the quarter scales hookup? I know I would be for foams as I dont own any caps, but I would be willing to buy whatever would work.

What really sucks that I cant make this race as I leave saturday for vacation! I am hoping some of the other Willow Mill guys can make the trip.

Jim
www.willowmill.com

Just curious -- What brand and compound are the guys trying?

We are running on two asphalt tracks around here and caps are the way to go.

One track is ten years plus and the other is just a year old, I think. I do know that Carolina R/C Complex was rebuild from the ground up and as far as I know they have always run caps on it.

Suntan lotion would need to be pressure washed out of the track most likely now that foams have been run, And no rain won't get it out!

No reason to test a bunch of tires for caps 4 pinks net outside lites inside and that will work unlees there is something on the track like I stated.

Might only get up there 1 time next year so my thoughts don't count towards a decision but maybe if foams were never run you wouldn't be having that issue. Good luck on this issue but something to think about is you might have 120+ entries with caps for a big race instead of 80 but not if they won't work for some reason.

......... nevermind

I like the idea of caps. 1 set for entire event. Would be nice to have a open tire rule to allow us to run tires from Nats also...:)

If the caps do not hook up after a couple laps they probably wont due to the new track surface or whatever. Caps do take a patient trigger finger but after they heat up they should stick ALMOST as good as foams. The way they are wearing should tell a lot as those guys know. Caps should work well on acid scarified concrete and most seasoned asphalt surfaces, perhaps the track is not ready yet. All it takes is a few racers to spin down the back straight and flat spot a new set of caps and there will be a lot of bitchin, its like burning money, I've done it a few times myself. We also tried running caps and foams together, racers choice, it made for some interesting races; the foam racers would get a lap or 2 lead when the caps cars would start coming, then usually win by a lap because of less rolling resistance. I'm only commenting because we are trying to get a group to go out in august for your race, we all have the foams we need, ir would take a grand in caps for us all to be able to race, and most no cap experience. Keep us posted on your decision.

I did post it as being a foam race. Its posted under the Freddie's Summer Championship thread.

The race is Labor day weekend, I moved it do to the ROAR race. It will be a two day race. 4 qualifiers Saturday with a reshuffle after 2 and then triple A mains on Sunday. I have Foams here for everyone that will need them. Hope to see you then :thumbsup: