This is pasted from the QSAC website if you haven't read it.

What do you think? Will it help the GN class? If you once run the GN class, what was your reason(s) to move to the Sportsman class?





7-11-07
For the past several months there has been informal discussions about the lack of attendance and ultimate fate of the Grand National class. One idea proposed was to only have one class of stock cars. Many other ideas have been proposed. Most of these involve punishing one class over the other.

The original concept of the classes was that Sportsman was to be an intermediate class between Novice and Grand National. Sportsman, for whatever reason, has developed a life of it's own. For the present, and because QSAC membership is on the increase, we believe Grand National should be returned to it's premier status.

As a trial, for the Clover and Dallas NSC races, $200 will be added to the Grand National A main payout on top of the percentage payout. This will be evenly distributed. Each A main driver will receive an additional $20. We hope that this will increase the interest in the Grand National class and will open the possibility of a corporate sponsor for the Grand National class next year.

Co-chairs

This is a very good question. I would like to know why people moved to sportsman. I think this is a move in the right direction. I would like to run GN one day but I need alittle more track time. Only problem is the local race is usually sportsman. This may be one of the reasons for people moving. :confused:

well, if you raced in the GN can you also, race in the sportsman? wasn't there a rule some were about that, i don't know, may need to check. i'd race both classes if you can.

well, if you raced in the GN can you also, race in the sportsman? wasn't there a rule some were about that, i don't know, may need to check. i'd race both classes if you can.
I'm like you. I think there is a rule, but i think its on the car. You can't race the same car in both races, don't know for sure

well, if you raced in the GN can you also, race in the sportsman? wasn't there a rule some were about that, i don't know, may need to check. i'd race both classes if you can.
you cant run both at a showdown event and to me sportsman is were the competition is and thats the reason a lot of drivers have flocked to it some dont want to spend the money to be able to compete with the factory backed boys and some that dont think they can do well in sportsman at a big event will enter GN because it sounds a hole lot better to finish 9th or 10th in GN than finish 6th in the sportsman c mainthats the way i see it just my .003 cents worth

i'd like to race both, because i travel to these races to make a weekend of it! more track time of course! big boy's of NASCAR do it. they race BUSCH also, at the big showdowns. i have 2 cars and a sprint. i beleive you can race a sprint and or one of the car classes (GN or sportsman) is this correct?

i'd like to race both, because i travel to these races to make a weekend of it! more track time of course! big boy's of NASCAR do it. they race BUSCH also, at the big showdowns. i have 2 cars and a sprint. i beleive you can race a sprint and or one of the car classes (GN or sportsman) is this correct?
the rule says you can run truck and i think sprint with either class but not GN and sportsman together

is truck rules the same as GN? were can you get a truck body? thats a thought!? :cool:

is truck rules the same as GN? were can you get a truck body? thats a thought!? :cool:
same rules as GN i think only WCM makes the truck body right now

LPR members chose to go to SP in hopes of closing the gap between the seasoned racers & those intermediate or absolutely new. This has helped the growth of our 1/4 scale class. It's not perfect, but it is better to have most racers restricted between 6.0 & 7.0 laps than it would be to have a few at 5.5 and the rest at 7.0. Big difference!

Tim

To eliminate speculation and any errant interpretations, here are direct quotes from the...

2007 Official Rules Package
and
Corporate Bylaws

Page 13, under QSAC N.C.S. District Format
Note: You may not run for National Championships in both Grand National and Sportsman classes. (11.12.06)

Page 23, under TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS GRAND NATIONAL STOCK CARS
Grand National competitors may not compete in the Sportsman Class during the same event or 3 QSAC Showdown N.C.S. races.

Page 23, under TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS SPORTSMAN STOCK CARS
Sportsman competitors may run in the Sprint Car and Super Truck classes during the same event. They can not compete in the Grand National class at that event.

Joe Brooks
:thumbsup:

LPR members chose to go to SP in hopes of closing the gap between the seasoned racers & those intermediate or absolutely new. This has helped the growth of our 1/4 scale class. It's not perfect, but it is better to have most racers restricted between 6.0 & 7.0 laps than it would be to have a few at 5.5 and the rest at 7.0. Big difference!

Tim
i love plate racin makes it a hole lot more competitive nascar or QSAC wish we just made the money instead of spend the money LOL

To eliminate speculation and any errant interpretations, here are direct quotes from the...

2007 Official Rules Package
and
Corporate Bylaws

Page 13, under QSAC N.C.S. District Format
Note: You may not run for National Championships in both Grand National and Sportsman classes. (11.12.06)

Page 23, under TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS GRAND NATIONAL STOCK CARS
Grand National competitors may not compete in the Sportsman Class during the same event or 3 QSAC Showdown N.C.S. races.

Page 23, under TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS SPORTSMAN STOCK CARS
Sportsman competitors may run in the Sprint Car and Super Truck classes during the same event. They can not compete in the Grand National class at that event.thanks for posting the real deal could not find my book

want to ask a ? how did roger newell end up with GN and sprint championships last year by what the rule states

To eliminate speculation and any errant interpretations, here are direct quotes from the...

2007 Official Rules Package
and
Corporate Bylaws

Page 13, under QSAC N.C.S. District Format
Note: You may not run for National Championships in both Grand National and Sportsman classes. (11.12.06)

Page 23, under TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS GRAND NATIONAL STOCK CARS
Grand National competitors may not compete in the Sportsman Class during the same event or 3 QSAC Showdown N.C.S. races.

Page 23, under TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS SPORTSMAN STOCK CARS
Sportsman competitors may run in the Sprint Car and Super Truck classes during the same event. They can not compete in the Grand National class at that event.
ook! i had just looked this up in the rules, i need to put a truck body on my GN car then? how is the super truck class turn out? last i seen not that many. if thats the case my GN car will sit. i'd rather race in the largest class. that means i'll only race one car at time it looks like.

The differentiations are between GN & SP not necessarily the other classes.

want to ask a ? how did roger newell end up with GN and sprint championships last year by what the rule states

want to ask a ? how did roger newell end up with GN and sprint championships last year by what the rule states

You will have to explain and illustrate the rule that you believe Roger broke by winning both championships.

I cannot find one bit of text that even remotely (pun intended) suggests that a competitor cannot run in the GN and Sprint classes for a National Championship.

Joe Brooks
:thumbsup:

You will have to explain and illustrate the rule that you believe Roger broke by winning both championships.

I cannot find one bit of text that even remotely (pun intended) suggests that a competitor cannot run in the GN and Sprint classes for a National Championship.

Joe Brooks
:thumbsup:
just misunderstood the rules dislayedi know roger did not break any i dont live by the bible just glance at it from time to time LOL

want to ask a ? how did roger newell end up with GN and sprint championships last year by what the rule states

I had to re-read the bottom rule a couple of times. But you can run sprint and GN at a National Event.


Personally I just got moved last week and just about have my workshop set up. I hope to have cars on the track in mid August and hit a few events at the end of the season. My plan is to hit most of the big Midwest an some National event next summer. Gn and Sprint classes.

My take on the car count: It seems like the car counts are a little lower at some of the National event. I know several formats have been tried over the last few years but I wonder if it would not be better to go back to the old best 3 out of 4 race National Tour format. Theory would be having less events might lead to 4 races with larger car counts throughout the season.

Larger car counts tend to build excitement and usually breed larger car counts.

BTW: Some one mentioned having a difficult time running against the so called factory GN drivers. Having raced against guys like Roger and Scott over the year I can tell you their relatively small amount of factor support they get does not really have much of an impact on what they do. These guys are vary talented racers behind the wheel and behind the wrenches and you would see them running out front without any support.

just misunderstood the rules dislayedi know roger did not break any i dont live by the bible just glance at it from time to time LOL

;)

Understood. Just didn't know if I missed something. We are all human and there are some cases where interpretation does come into play.

Joe Brooks
:thumbsup:

I had to re-read the bottom rule a couple of times. But you can run sprint and GN at a National Event.


Personally I just got moved last week and just about have my workshop set up. I hope to have cars on the track in mid August and hit a few events at the end of the season. My plan is to hit most of the big Midwest an some National event next summer. Gn and Sprint classes.

My take on the car count: It seems like the car counts are a little lower at some of the National event. I know several formats have been tried over the last few years but I wonder if it would not be better to go back to the old best 3 out of 4 race National Tour format. Theory would be having less events might lead to 4 races with larger car counts throughout the season.

Larger car counts tend to build excitement and usually breed larger car counts.

BTW: Some one mentioned having a difficult time running against the so called factory GN drivers. Having raced against guys like Roger and Scott over the year I can tell you their relatively small amount of factor support they get does not really have much of an impact on what they do. These guys are vary talented racers behind the wheel and behind the wrenches and you would see them running out front without any support. i did the same to me its bad when you have to read it a few times to get it right and i know those guys are at the top of the pyramid and can get it done no matter what

back on the topic is QSAC needing GN drivers that bad to offer that kind of money in my oppion before you know it every rookie in 1/4 will be headed to GN it makes no sense to me almost every track runs sportsman rules that gets you prepared for a showdown and gets the feild close thats what we learn everytime we hit the track mention running GN with your local track or club and i bet the answer would be no or 1 or 2 would but nobody else

Don’t get me wrong I love racing in classes with big car counts but what if you did not have a GN class? You would have the top GN guys forced into running the Sportsman and these guys would likely be the new front runners in that class.

If ths happened over time would you see the current group of Sportsman guys stay in the class, find something else to move into or quit all together? Just something to think about.

Don’t get me wrong I love racing in classes with big car counts but what if you did not have a GN class? You would have the top GN guys forced into running the Sportsman and these guys would likely be the new front runners in that class.

If ths happened over time would you see the current group of Sportsman guys stay in the class, find something else to move into or quit all together? Just something to think about.
i see your point its just to hard to get up a GN class on the local level i know i have mentioned it sportsman is more cost efective for the new ones and right now thats whats going on with every track that has 1/4 i have only been racin 1/4 for 6 months not scared to run GN the only diffrence is the bills a little more but if it dont support the majority you will be racin buy your self you got to stick with what is working right now

one otherthing my 1st 1/4 race randy brown showed up thats probly the last person you would want to race with the 1st time out it was just me my 500 dollar car no parts bairly enough tools to work on it and my old racin buddy was crew chief and i pushed him around the track he got TQ i got second finiished the same he noticed a hole lot LOL to the point were he told us we could stop wrenching on my car probly one of the best memories i will have in 1/4

Years ago there was a rule on the books that if a person ran the Sportsman class they could not run the Sprint Car class . When I and a few others challenged this rule we were told the Sportsman class was percieved as a beginners class which was not true . Back then the definite distinction between Sportsman and Grand National was , Grand National used a 2hp motor and the Sportsman used a 1 1/2 hp motor . Back then as now there are some very skillfull Sportsman class drivers , and by no means should be classified as beginners . With the evolution of the 230 motor ( black cap , now red cap ) coming about , it did throw QSAC into a quandry about what to do to make the two classes seperate . Thus we have the restrictor plate , air cup , stock clutch shoes and spring and I believe a splitband for the right front ( correct me if I'm wrong ) , for the Sportsman . The Grand Nationals use a 10.5 carb and a velocity stack . They can use light weight clutch shoes and a different spring , Most don't . And to conclude the differences they use a 96 on the right front . Both classes use the same gears , tires , motors , chassis . The big difference is chassis set up , no matter what class you run , if you don't make it handle it will eat up tires . With the Grand National cars the chassis set up seems to be a little more critical because of the carb size . It boils down to a comfort zone , whatever class you are comfortable racing in . The Sportsman class does seam to be the most popular for now , and it's a local and economical deal also . If your local club runs just sportsman that's what ya run . At Lansing we run GN ,Sportsman , novice and Sprints when they show up . Some guys might want to try running GN at the district and regional races . They might be surprised on how well they do .

Sonny you're right about the car counts being down at the big races . Years back when you had the chance to attend the NCS Series races it was a best three of five series for points . Then it was tried one big race for each District and the National Championship Race ( no points ) . That didn't seam to go over too well , anyways now it's two District races for each ( WEST , EAST , CENTRAL ) and a best of three series for points . Thought was , a person could run both of their District races and one other race , no matter what the combination and still be in the runninng for the NCS Championship . My opinion , the reason the car counts are down isn't so much the amount of the races to attend is that if the local guys of the host track would support there own race with the amount of those that have the chance to travel , there would be larger car counts . Not everybody can do the travel thing for whatever reasons , but at least the local guys should support their own track function . IN doing this they would promote 1/4 scale in their area when a possible interested spectator sees the local guys wupping up on the travelers . And again these guys would be surprised how well they would do against what most of then consider the " Pros " . Ok I got long winded . Thought I'd throw in a few thoughts . Better give up the wife's puter before I get banned to the garage , which could be a good thing .
Randy

I have been oval racing since 89. I have raced dirt, concrete and asphalt. I have raced as far north as Hampton VA, as far south as Tampa FL, west as far as Henderson TN, as far east as Savannah GA and everywhere in between with my 10th scale gas and electric cars. This is my first time running the big cars and I am really enjoying it but just like 10th scale racing, the cream always rises to the top as it should and I am good with that but a lot of folks have trouble with that little fact. I plan to run GN when I get a little experience under my belt but right now I feel I would just be in the way. We like to run in Montgomery AL and will be running in Easley SC this weekend. If sportsman is what everyone wants to race then show me the plate and I am there but no one should be allowed to run sportsman and GN @ the same event. I have always frowned on the Cup guys running in Busch, just pick one and run! We are looking forward to doing a lot of racing with you guys in the near future so let's keep it simple and fun.

holy cow Randy you must be tires with all that typing, that's the most I seen your mouthmove ooopps I mean your fingers move in a long time. LOL Do you need a ice pack for your hands now. Still waitng for sprinter to show up!!!

Dave

A couple of questions for Sportsman racers:

1). Why do you prefer Sportsman over Grand National?

2). What would it take for "you" to move up to Grand National?


Thank you,

SG

1). Why do you prefer Sportsman over Grand National?

Not enough to have two separate classes at LPR. The sportsman rule allows us to have a narrow(er) gap between experienced and not so experienced racers. This is more beneficial to a newbie racer.

Plus, with the limited speeds, there is less carnaige during races.



2). What would it take for "you" to move up to Grand National?

Enough local racers to have both classes.

A couple of questions for Sportsman racers:

1). Why do you prefer Sportsman over Grand National?

2). What would it take for "you" to move up to Grand National?


Thank you,

SG

1) I will answer for Mike D who drives for me at MPR. We race Sportsman because that is the class that as a group the "REGULARS" race. Some of the reasons I think are (tire ware, slower lap times, closer finishes, fewer replacement parts from crashing). I agree that there are some very strong driners in the sportsman class but you will find that in any class or type of racing.
2) I /we would move to GN if that was the class that was raced on a weekly basis at our local track, it's hard to race GN at events when you race sportsman on a weekly basis.
And now for my own thought about sportsman racing, I would like to see the A Main increase to 200 laps and also increase the lower mains as well (when we travel to a NCS race or other races lets race our little toy cars just a little longer).

Dave Dygon
Owner and Crew #3 "ROOKIE SENSATION" Mike Dygon

There seems to be a perception that Grand National drivers are all pro's and sponsored. This is not the case. I have been in this hobby running 1/4 scales for better than 10 years now. Here is what I have seen. In GN you have a select group that always run up front. Roger Newell, Scott Schramske, Mark Aldridge, Brent Gottfried just to name a few. I do not believe they are at the top of their class from factory sponsorship. I have seen these fellows win with a variety of different car makes. They are where they are due to dedication. They go to race and win. That takes a desire to do what is necessary to achive the level that they are at. If you observe anyone of these drivers you will notice that they work and work and work at getting the car setup. I believe that is the most important factor in 1/4 scale racing. Next they spend the time to try and improve on a car that most of us would love to drive and would be satisfied with. Roger may be the fastest at any track but you don't see him just sitting on his butt, he knows that Scott, Mark and Brent are after him. He like the other front runners work for that extra tenth or so that they feel may be there, be it with tires or shock adjustment or the way the spoiler is angeled. Next the cars of these guys are kept with maticulous care. You will not see parts falling off of them. You will not see dirt and grime from the last race. They spend the time and do the work that is required to achive the level they are at. This is true in ALL classes of racing 1/4 scale to full size.

I would run GN @ LPR. The class @ LPR is not only restricted to sportsman but restricted further by lpr's own plate. I am not complaining, just stating da facts. I enjoy running lpr very much.

One more thing and I will be done. Randy said I was long winded, just happy fingers doing the walkin....

One of the best ways to improve youself on the track is to run with guys that are better than you are. You will learn from them while you race. Better lines thru the corners etc. and is it really fun to race a fellow that you can always win against. set goals reach for the top spot....

I'm done.

That is a fact, I love being chalenged. Going to a race knowing you have it in the bag isn't much fun to me.One more thing and I will be done. Randy said I was long winded, just happy fingers doing the walkin....

One of the best ways to improve youself on the track is to run with guys that are better than you are. You will learn from them while you race. Better lines thru the corners etc. and is it really fun to race a fellow that you can always win against. set goals reach for the top spot....

I'm done.

Fred,

I myself have noticed exactly as you stated "they work and work and work" on their chassis.

But, would it be fair to say that they also spend more money than the average NCS racer to be where their at now? Or... is it their experience and know how in using no more of what a normal racer would spend to overcome their competition?

Tim

There seems to be a perception that Grand National drivers are all pro's and sponsored. This is not the case. I have been in this hobby running 1/4 scales for better than 10 years now. Here is what I have seen. In GN you have a select group that always run up front. Roger Newell, Scott Schramske, Mark Aldridge, Brent Gottfried just to name a few. I do not believe they are at the top of their class from factory sponsorship. I have seen these fellows win with a variety of different car makes. They are where they are due to dedication. They go to race and win. That takes a desire to do what is necessary to achive the level that they are at. If you observe anyone of these drivers you will notice that they work and work and work at getting the car setup. I believe that is the most important factor in 1/4 scale racing. Next they spend the time to try and improve on a car that most of us would love to drive and would be satisfied with. Roger may be the fastest at any track but you don't see him just sitting on his butt, he knows that Scott, Mark and Brent are after him. He like the other front runners work for that extra tenth or so that they feel may be there, be it with tires or shock adjustment or the way the spoiler is angeled. Next the cars of these guys are kept with maticulous care. You will not see parts falling off of them. You will not see dirt and grime from the last race. They spend the time and do the work that is required to achive the level they are at. This is true in ALL classes of racing 1/4 scale to full size.

Tim, I would have to say chassis work is where it's at, my .12 car, chassis and motor was nearly junk @ the Boyd hughes race last Nov and you remember the results. I really had to massage it to get it to run as well as it did but I didn't spend any money on it to include buying the right tires. If Scott would have had the right tires he would have whooped me good but fortunately for me we were in the same situation tire wise.

My view on this is not sponsorship, but that of unlimited funds. I would go to GN if I had enough parts and "go fast stuff" to keep up. Who wants to race in a class where (some, not all) believe that winning is what you do at all cost. I find the sportsman a much closer class and most are there to have fun. If all I want is to race, throtle and wreck as hard as I can, GN would be for me. From what I've seen of GN, there is not enough restriction to make it as competitive as it could be.

Maybe a 9.5 restrictor plate for GN would do the trick. Leave the unrestricted carbs and rules for the outlaws, (yes like the sptint cars). They shoud be faster anyway.

Another idea would be to make 3 distinctive classes.
Sportsman = 8.5 restrictor
Grand National = 9.5 restrictor
Grand National Pro = unrestricted and must be a member of QSAC for 3 years.

This is just an idea, not something I'm fighting for. I think QSAC can come to some conclusion if the racers want it to happen. All we have to do is let them know.

No Randy Baker did not write this...lol
I can be long winded too

too many classes just dilutes the racers and makes classes small, kinda like what is happening in 10th scale electric right now.

I would have to agree here. too many classes just dilutes the racers and makes classes small, kinda like what is happening in 10th scale electric right now.

That was part of my questioning in the post #36. Are some out spending or just plain out performing the rest?

My view on this is not sponsorship, but that of unlimited funds. I would go to GN if I had enough parts and "go fast stuff" to keep up. Who wants to race in a class where (some, not all) believe that winning is what you do at all cost.

Unlimited funds or just out spending?

The big reason I got into 1/4 scale was the fact that we ALL run the same equiptment. Be it tires, motors, chassis,or bodys. We all run the same . It is what you do with what you have. Some have more to work with but you do not have to buy new tires at every race to be competive. You should have a few compounds and staggers to work with though.
Not everyone can afford to run all the national, district and club events. Racing is expensive no matter what scale. You do not have to spend a lot of money to have fun.

Fred posted before I could get mine in.....

Just some random thoughts:

Even though we have a six race NCS format, the car counts have been UP at each of the races from what they have been in the last few years. It is true that they are not what they were many years ago but, still, it is very encouraging. I fully expect the car counts at Clover and Dallas to go even higher. QSAC membership is higher than it has been in the last five years and the manufacturers I’ve talk to tell me they are busier than they have been in recent times.

What mainly prompted the new format (6 races/3 count) was the cost of traveling. We didn’t want the NSC Championship to become an attendance award. We did want true National Champions. Our only concern at this point is whether or not our current points structure will accommodate the new format. This still remains to be seen and may need to be addressed at the end of the season.

Grand National has been the Premier class since QSAC’s inception. Personally I would hate to see it go away but that might ultimately be what happens. Because of the growth we seen this year we were encouraged to make an attempt to revive this class. Whether or not it works also remains to be seen.

I’ve heard just about every imaginable reason why people don’t run GN and there is a bit of truth in each one. What seems to go unstated, but has a ring of truth, is that the class has been dominated by a few racers for years and this discourages racers from entering the class. Personally I want to race against the best that QSAC has to offer. It is what I thrive on. It is what motivates me. Believe me when I tell you that it is not money that wins GN races. The rules are simply too restrictive. Yes, it is true that you do need a selection of tires but the answer is exactly what Fred said. GN driver’s are almost never happy with their cars and are always looking for another 10th of a second. They don’t have bent heims, crunchy bearings or misaligned parts and will spend time time necessary on the track looking for that fast line. Other than the obvious rule changes, there is nothing different or special between a Grand National and a Sportsman car. We all buy the same parts. From my observations the differences between the two classes boils down to the GN requiring a little more throttle control and a tighter set up window which both can be attributed to a little more HP.

See, I can type too!

Brent & Fred

This is great information. I think it clears the air for the most part.

Brent,

Pull up a soapbox and talk to us more often. It is nice to hear views from the top from time to time.:thumbsup:


Tim

is truck rules the same as GN? were can you get a truck body? thats a thought!? :cool:
Yes, GN aud Trucks all the same.See if you can get abody. A couple of us are getting trucks ready. Hope to have enough to race. wcm and Quarter scale motorsports has the bodys.

I agree with Fred on the out spending part. 1/4 scale is'nt like the smaller scale cars where you have guys running batteries that you can't buy. Or tires you can't buy. I've been there on several occasions. Besides just loving 1/4 scales since the first time I ever seen one in 1989. Now that I race I like the fact that we all run essentially the same parts. Yea, Rogers car may have a different body mount or his battery may be mounted different in the car but he basically has the same canvas to paint on that everyone else does. You can't really buy go fast goodies for these cars. So I personally dont think it has anything to do with how much you spend. There is a local guy at our track who has a much older car than I had last year but he kicked my but every week. But you need that to be faster. When we started we were a few laps down every race. After awhile we started running good lap times and being competitive. This would not have happened if we did'nt have fast guys to try and catch. If the local track offered the GN calss I would love to run it. It's exciting knowing your running with the best.

My 2 cents

Since I field 3 cars, I have to keep an eye on costs. This means getting the most out of my tires. At MPR, where I race weekly, the track is small and banked, think of Bristol. We have been racing sportsman for years now and I have noticed less tire wear. The racing is also much closer then before the plates. On any given weekend, there are 4 to 5 cars that can win the race. At the last tristate race, there were 5 cars in the A main that could have won the race. Add a full field of cars running the same speed you are, and it takes a good bit of driving skill to finish toward the front. Two reasons why we switch to sportsman. First, that’s what we run weekly. Second, the car count was higher at the tristate races. I will run in the class with the most cars. Based on races I have been to, seems like I am not alone in this thinking.

Yep, I agree with all that for the most part. The "Go Fast Stuff" I was refering to is the amount of tires. If I have an unlimited amount of tires (stagger and compound) I can get that little extra umpfh in off and through the corner. The thing is, I have only been doing quarter ponders for this being my third year. I don't have three or four boxes of tires. I'm working on it, but it takes time and money.

If I break a rear trailing arm, I'm done till I can get a new one. I have other parts that break more often, but I don't have a budget that allows me to be that competitive in the GN. It does take some money to get to that level where you don't have to worry about breaking stuff (or replacing the worn out stuff).

In Sportsman, the equipment is not beat up as bad as it would be in GN. Yes the parts are all the same, but you do have to have some backup parts, (I mean more than in sportsman) to run Grand National.

Think about it, if you go faster, the tires ware more, the hiems get weak sooner, the belts break more often, the engine needs to be rebuilt more often...

You get the picture. When I run GN, I for one want to be prepared for it as that is what I would like to run (Guess I'm sick that way), but it'll be a year or two.

I guess that would be my reasoning for running Sportsman. At some point I want to get a sprint car too... Might be the same time my wife leaves me, but sometime...lol

BTW, This is a real good conversation whoever thought to start it.

Tanks!

Welcome....

I noticed it posted on the QSAC website. I thought it was interesting and might stem some positive dialog.:thumbsup:


BTW, This is a real good conversation whoever thought to start it.

Tanks!

I agree with all the points made by eveyone. i ran last year at clover in sportsman, got taken out in the c main early, this year at easly i ran grand national, way out of my league by all means, but i really wasn't hurting anyone else and cannot stress enough whoever said it in an earlier post that you run with the fast guys, you too will become fast, and more often than not if your car is hooked up in sportsman then you could probably run gn no problem, and like the other guys said you'd be surprised how well you'd do. and trust me i have no large spending account or any sponsorship whatsoever, i break and i'm done, but you know don't think that way and allmost all acidents can be avoided, if your meant to go to the front it'll happen.
the real double d's