Saw the Eureka Premier last night on SciFi.

Somehow, this episode has set the show on a less desireable path for me.

Carter's memory of the other timeline is wiped out by Henry.
Henry hates Carter now.
Looks like Stark is gonna be history.
The artifact is dead before we ever learned what it was.

It's almost like the writers just wanted to stir the pot to see what floats

I hope things improve. The first season was really good.

yeah, that was a mean thing Henry did!

I wonder if the artifact somehow transferred into the little boy.

I haven't watched it yet, but have it saved on my TiVo so will be partaking tonight. I'm guardedly optimistic now.

BTW, added a "SPOILERS" to the header so that folks like me who've not yet seen the episode will open with caution.

I haven't watched it yet, but have it saved on my TiVo so will be partaking tonight. I'm guardedly optimistic now.

BTW, added a "SPOILERS" to the header so that folks like me who've not yet seen the episode will open with caution.

Thanks for adding the spoiler. I thought I gave it a title that was clear enough to anyone opening it though. Anyone who read my post will still have to watch it to see how/why things happened.


Any speculations on what the artifact was from what we've all seen of it in season 1? We know from season 1 that Henry said it was something protruding into our dimension from some other dimension but what is it? How was it found? I missed that part.

It was supposed to be an artifact of the univers that existed before ours came into being.

BTW, added a "SPOILERS" to the header so that folks like me who've not yet seen the episode will open with caution.

'Cause nobody ever opens a thread about a specific episode of a TV series and expects spoilers!

;)

:rolleyes: C'mon, John. For all I knew, he was asking a question about the premiere or was going to let folks know about the basic plot in as spoiler-free a fashion as can be done. Not everyone posts details of every episode or movie, after all....

Oh, and a primary part of the reason I put the SPOILERS tag in the title was to prevent folks from being able to step in and fuss about reading spoilers. To me, that's almost as annoying as seeing an inoccuous looking title, opening it and then reading something that completely ruins an episode or movie for me. "Jeeze, you coulda put SPOILER in the title if you were going to give a detailed analysis of the episode! Thanks for ruining it for me!"

You'll also note that I wasn't gnashing my teeth and wearing sackcloth....

And you must have missed the smiley in my post.

;)

Oooookay folks. Looks like I got some attention here.

From last season's last episode there is one conclusion I can draw and some big questions.

conclusion, the "laser drill" that Stark used on the artifact must have somehow "burst the bubble" of what ever it was releasing the energy that killed Kim. Stark was standing there, why wasn't he killed?

Question: If both Henry and Carter went back in time and prevented the alternate timeline, How is it that they have memories of a timeline that never happened and what happened to the Henry and Carter that were indigineous to the original timeline? At least in Star Trek, when an alternate timeline is destroyed, no one remembers>

conclusion, the "laser drill" that Stark used on the artifact must have somehow "burst the bubble" of what ever it was releasing the energy that killed Kim. Stark was standing there, why wasn't he killed?
At a guess, 'cause he wasn't in direct line of the "shotgun" blast. He and the other scientists clearly received some residual energy, tho, if you go with Tuesdays episode.
Question: If both Henry and Carter went back in time and prevented the alternate timeline, How is it that they have memories of a timeline that never happened
Because both Henry and Jack are the fellas who lived those four years. So, they're the memories of what they experienced. Each of them should show up as physically four years older than they are. Well, unless they somehow only projected their minds back to the past. I'd have to watch the last episode of last season again to see if that was explained.
and what happened to the Henry and Carter that were indigineous to the original timeline? At least in Star Trek, when an alternate timeline is destroyed, no one remembers>
Well, most likely they simply disappeared - or maybe even "died". That or they swapped places w/the future versions who went back to replace them. The latter effectively "kills" the younger versions, as well.

Or, as I mentioned above, it's possible that they sent their minds back in time which leaves two further possiblities: 1) they actually swapped minds, so that the "younger" versions of their minds (or even bodies) moved to the future timeline

Really, tho, there's no easy answer. I mean, all we can do is theorize. It appears that they've decided to ignore any sort of causality issues such as the theory that Future Henry & Jack should have effectively ceased to exist - at least in some fashion - once they changed events in the past.

My only issue with the episode is that if they physically moved from the future to the past, then what happened to "young" Henry & Jack? That's why I'm thinking perhaps that they projected their minds from the future and that they're bodies stayed in the future, "over-writing" their past selves. That seems like the easiest theory to go with and allows for the current plot device of Henry having his memories and Jack no longer having them - and how things will play out from there.

I'm of a mind that perhaps Henry showed up at the facility to get a job so that he can get revenge against Stark. After all, while Henry blames Jack for not allowing him to save Kim, wouldn't he blame Stark for his part in her death, being the guy pushing for the probe?

I have a feeling that somehow Jack is going to start to remember the future timeline at some point this season. I'm wondering if Henry has some sort of plan to get revenge on Stark and possibly destroy the facility. That or make a time machine so that he can go back in time and effectively change the timeline or jump to an alternate timeline where Kim is still alive.

I agree that it's taken a darker turn, or at least seems to have done so. But then again, if you think about it, the last couple of episodes of Season One weren't quite as light-hearted as at the beginning. So, I'm holding out hope that we'll see things return to a slightly more light-hearted angle.

Great Theories Griffworks!!

Just one observation. Whenever the time machine created it's "bubble/Sphere" of time, what ever was in it got transported out of the time phase. Examples are the back of the RV, the blackboard, the "ghost", etc. I was thinking based on this that Carter and Henry were physically transported.

Ah... OK. I didn't remember that they used the device from the pilot episode. See, that's the problem with waiting nearly a year between seasons - your fans forget a lot of stuff. Gonna have to get the series on DVD, methinks.

Thanks for the correction on that. I'll have to think on it some more,then. Initially, it 'ppears to be a bit of a plot hole, neh...?

Ah... OK. I didn't remember that they used the device from the pilot episode. See, that's the problem with waiting nearly a year between seasons - your fans forget a lot of stuff. Gonna have to get the series on DVD, methinks.

Thanks for the correction on that. I'll have to think on it some more,then. Initially, it 'ppears to be a bit of a plot hole, neh...?

I'm thinking it's a pilot hole as well. I got the DVD series.
Picture quality is great, anamorphic widescreen and lots of extras like the webcast and podcast episodes are included.

I have to say though the packaging is really crappy with cardboard foldouts instead of clamshells. I think I'll make some Xerox copies of the cardboard and use some left over extra clamshells I have.

Typically, when I see an episode of Star Trek, such as the case with the Voyager vrs the Krennin Time Ship in the episode where the captain of the timeship keeps changing time to try to restore his planet and wife. When Janeway rammed his ship with Voyager, everything was reset as if nothing happened, the so-called reset button.

In Eureka, both Carter and Henry went back in time. There should be two of each just as there were two Kim's in the Alternate timeline, one alive and one burnt to a crisp. I think the writers wrote themselves into a corner here.

Now for my ranting, I hate series where each show leaves you hanging. I like complete stories that have an answer or conclusion at the end of each show or two-parter. This is what really frustrated me about the new Battlestar Galactica series. So many questions and so many possibilities were created that I really lost interest in it because of all of the effort it took just to keep a hundred loose ends somewhat together. It's audience exploitation like the old serials back in the 60's where you're left hanging until the next chapter shown only during the next theather movie. Either you went back to the theather to watch a movie you didn't like to see the next serial chapter or you had to skip one or two and you're left wondering what happened. This is not a new trick on the producer's part.