I still find it hard to believe. :cry:

Not here. Still will root for Jr every sunday. And I bet alot of others will too once he starts to win again.

No! Jr. abandoned his true fans that were his Daddy's.

If JR's "fans" turn their back on him because he is trying to better his racing situation, then they were not fans in the first place.

Hendrix already has two superstars... Why not go to Ginn and really prove that he has what it takes? Im a real fan of Jr., but Sr. made a team prosper and didnt ask to have a championship given to him.

Might piss alot of people off,but Nascar died when the old man died.Jr could'ent fill his shoes if they gave him a championship,or if he was in cheater cars every week.Havent been a fan since the old man died.don't watch it,don't go to California speedway anymore,just don't care.Might have been intrested a bit if he would have gone with Childress,but then again,he would have had to try to fill his shoes over there,and i don't think he could do it there either.Oh well,just the continuing WWE,oops i mean Nascar soap opera.
Dave Werner

Guess some people haven't read the whole story, I was even shocked at first, but now understand his reasoning...Go to Nascar.com and read up.....There's alot more history with the Earnhardt name association with Hendrick than people realize....

Jr. gained a LOT of respect for being 'his own man' today.

Sr. did things HIS way...right or wrong, but everyone wants Jr. to live in the memory of his father...yet, when he fails guys complain "he wasnt really that good...he was just riding on his father's name"

GOOD Job Jr.

Exactly what I tried telling people on the other thread who thought they knew inside stuff. Look I work 12" from him every weekend, GORDON & SR. were business partners people in more things than you realize. Go throw your cans in the trash.

think some of daddys fans may have a prob with it but i dont and i was a daddy fan but best choice of teams i think for what he wants to do cant blame a man for wanting to better himself blame the bitch not JR he seen the need for change she did not her loss funny thing is she does not act to concerened with the loss all the millions in just sales on anything with his name on it alot of people size the man up on what his father done he does not even want to run his number as much as i would enjoy it but that is him wanting to make his on career and being his on man dont worry i think jr will go back to DEI right before it becomes a broke empty shop and turn it around
before it has nothing but tour guides in it

Yes, screw Jr..........go to the enemys camps and you can stay there! Funny thing is Kyle Busch is a much better driver than Jr... This has nothing to do with racing, all about Marketing.

Hendrix already has two superstars... Why not go to Ginn and really prove that he has what it takes? Im a real fan of Jr., but Sr. made a team prosper and didnt ask to have a championship given to him.
it aint the hayday of nascar anymore ginn is doing well and gettin that team turned in the right direction but its new and old ginn throwing money at it and gettin up on technology has helped but that army car aint that good until mark martin gets behind the wheel joe and the rookie struggle why is that input from the driver and gettin the most out of what you got just like any other or form of raceing :thumbsup:

Yes, screw Jr..........go to the enemys camps and you can stay there! Funny thing is Kyle Busch is a much better driver than Jr... This has nothing to do with racing, all about Marketing.
thats funny jimmy LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since Jr. And the Witch didn't see eye to eye. and couldn't resolve the issues at DEI. I tip my hat to him to go elsewhere. Why should he stay with DEI? I personally think it takes balls to walk away from there,and try something different.

And if you were a JR fan. what difference does it make who he drives for? GO JR.

Since Jr. And the Witch didn't see eye to eye. and couldn't resolve the issues at DEI. I tip my hat to him to go elsewhere. Why should he stay with DEI? I personally think it takes balls to walk away from there,and try something different.

And if you were a JR fan. what difference does it make who he drives for? GO JR.
I agree. The fans that are pissed are the band wagon fans that pull for JR when he is winning and cuss him when he's having bad luck. I was a big fan of Dale SR and respect JR for making that move. I'm not a fan of Jimmy or Jeff but you have to admit that they are both good drivers. Hendrick only hires good drivers and JR is another example. I was one of the fans that wanted to see him run for RCR and also run a #3 but to be honest that was not what he needed to do, like he said. He wants to make his on legacy and be his own man. Lets let him do that and support him. GO JR.

If you are a TRUE JR fan, you will continue cheering for him no matter what team he runs for.

As for Kyle being a better driver than Jr...... NOT!!!

8-3=5

Only you could come up with that Phil!!!!!!! LOL

I think it was a gutsy move to leave the nest! JR needs to stand on his own 2 feet and earn his own respect. DEI is the real loser in this situation, even if JR drove as bad as Micheal Waltrip look what color the stands are on race day! Besides, how much of NASCAR is really real anymore? Tony Stewart sure has his doubts.............

Not to be a fire starter but the fact that Tony Stewart is still running in NASCAR is an indication that NASCAR is somewhat impotent when handling troublemaker drivers.

If your a JR. fan & a Chevrolet fan, this is the best of both worlds. I never will understand the Gordon & Johnson bashers. When you ask them why they don't like them all they can say is they whine? Geez! They win!!

Rick Hendrick is a good man with the best teams out there. JR knows it & if he's ever going to contend for a championship, this is the place. From what I read they have a great respect for each other. Like Miclin said, if you don't like him now you never really were a fan!

I disagree JR should be able to go to any team he wants JR will never be as good as his dad but he still has the Earnhardt name. The way i see it gordon is not a superstar just gets lucky every week.

Gordon not a Superstar 4 cups and 79 wins and pretty much on the way for a 5th .

I disagree JR should be able to go to any team he wants JR will never be as good as his dad but he still has the Earnhardt name. The way i see it gordon is not a superstar just gets lucky every week.

Your right Gordon isn't a superstar he is a "Living Legend". He would have 6 cups if not for the switch to this chase crap!

If you think he got lucky at Pocono he was fast all weekend just did'nt qualify good I'm not a Gordon Fan but he's a great race car driver.

The chase is funny. Started with 10, now 12, next it will be 20. Then it will be 43.

I disagree JR should be able to go to any team he wants JR will never be as good as his dad but he still has the Earnhardt name. The way i see it gordon is not a superstar just gets lucky every week.

WHAT AN IDIOT!!!! :confused:

If you put a Bud decal & a #8 decal on a turd would you still be loyal to it?

Give Jr. credit for trying to get what he can while it is still young enough to enjoy it.

I disagree JR should be able to go to any team he wants JR will never be as good as his dad but he still has the Earnhardt name. The way i see it gordon is not a superstar just gets lucky every week.


Are your for real??????????????? He is probably the best driver since the mid
90's......Also agree if the chase was not in effect he would have 6 or more. I
am Not a Gordon fan I like JR but you have to look at reality.

Eric Knapp

All I can say is WOW to some of you. You can hate gordon or JJ all you want. I don't particularly care for either, but I won't deny their talent.

When is the last time Tony Stewart almost ran over someone's jackman on pit road?

The whole world is so blatently PC it makes you wonder what are they putting in the water? When racing was racing if you had an on-track altercation you did some pushing, shoving, maybe a few punches and lots of yelling. Their may or may not have been a payback later on but most of the time it was over and done with.

I was almost turned a #24 fan last year at bristol when he shoved Kenseth. If he would have taken his helmet off first I would have been more impressed. The terrified look on Kenseth's face was priceless. Then at Chicago, Gordo dumped him on purpose which was awesome, because he obviously didn't have to. I don't remember Kenseth confronting Gordon because that might tarnish Dewalt's image...lol

The nascar fanbase would be cut in half if the 1979 Daytona 500 would have been a nice side-by-side finish. Instead, the biggest star of the day won (the King) while 3 good ol' boys were having a brew-ha-ha on the backstretch.

I bet you could poll the 50 drivers attempting the race at MIS this weekend and 95% of the would pick Hendrick as their owner if no other factors were introduced.

Whether is was RCR, JGR or HMS Jr is way better off than staying at DEI. You can't tell me with Jr.'s popularity that DEI can't afford 2 full-time test drivers to be at Non-sanctioned tracks every week testing stuff. Now if Jr. just leaves his uncle and cousin far behind him, he'll be in real good shape.

I disagree JR should be able to go to any team he wants JR will never be as good as his dad but he still has the Earnhardt name. The way i see it gordon is not a superstar just gets lucky every week.
Anyone who has raced anything knows that luck is only one ingredient to success! Also give JR credit for trying to establish his own legend.

...the daily drama of a cup fan...LOL

I've been caught saying "I Don't Like Jeff Gordon" or "I Don't Like Jimmie Johnson"

The only reasons I've ever said "I don't like a driver" are

A) They are beating MY favorite driver.

B) They make too many bonehead moves...and CRASH MY favorite driver.

Jeff Gordon IS by far and again THE BEST driver NASCAR has seen in a LONG LONG time - a he's been in the RIGHT SPOT...AT THE RIGHT TIME...whether by accident or design...more times than NOT.


Here's some quick stats on

Sr., Gordon and Jr.

ALL great drivers, regardless of who says what...

Some QUICK Stats

Dale Earnhardt Sr.
Born 1951
Died 2001
Cup Start 1975, full time in 1979
Rookie of the Year 1979
7 Cup Championships
WINS 76
Drove for:Rod Osterland (1 championship), Richard Childress, Bud Moore, back to Childress (6 more championships)

Jeff Gordon
Born 1971
Cup Start 1992 (one race)
Rookie of the Year 1993
Won 1st race 1994
4 CUP championships
WINS 79
Driven for Rick Hendrick entire cup career

Dale Earnhardt Jr.
Born 1974
Cup Start 1999 (one race)
WINS 17
Driven for DEI entire cup career.
(corrected RotY) doh~ I knew that...(Matt got the RotY & the CUP before Jr....and Jr. is still looking for his CUP)

True, sort of, lol If you make NASCAR lot's of money you can stir the pot a littleNot to be a fire starter but the fact that Tony Stewart is still running in NASCAR is an indication that NASCAR is somewhat impotent when handling troublemaker drivers.

As for the gordon getting lucky I truely belive that.no matter how many people say there are no "phantom" caution,THERE ARE.when was the last time you saw one of those cautions not help jeff gordon or jj?they are good drivers.but the reason why so many hate them is because of their so called "phantom"help.jr did not lose any REAL fans.only people who liked him when he won.if your a real fan it doesn't matter who he drives for.let's face the facts jr wants to WIN.wouldn't you?

I think JR. did the right thing. I agree with everyone that says he is being his own man. As for the guy who says Kyle bush is a better driver then JR. you gotta give me some of that stuff your SMOKING cause its some good stuff!LOL!

8-3=5



:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

...now if I were Jr. I'd be looking at family history...and the age of the racers he follows...

Grandfather - 45 years old
Father - 49 years old

Jr's 33 or so now...

Also - Dale Sr. got into the CUP when Jr. was about one year old
This was about a year after the death of his father.

Sr. had no problem beating and banging his way to the front of a field..."Intimidating" others along the way. Jr. has pretty much always been a pretty clean driver, and a lot less agressive.. (good thing? or bad?)

Dale Sr. had to WORK for everything he got - make a name for himself..and prove himself time after time (and when the wins slowed down..and the championships slowed...people said "Dale is Done")

The day Dale Sr. died will always be one of the saddest days in NASCAR racing, but it will also be like the dawn of time...like A.D (After Dale)

The NEW drivers coming into the sport who never had the opportunity to compete against him...or never knew him probably don't know (or care) about all the 'feel good' stories about the Sr. Earnhardt, some may remember him from when they were a kid...watching him on T.V. others may not even remember that...

The one thing that always goes through my mind w/ Dale Sr. is that he never had his career go the way of Petty's or Waltrips, when the wins just STOPPED and they kept trying and trying...but just could not make it back to the top again...

One of my #1 hopes in NASCAR is that with Robbie Loomis back at PETTY and Bobby Labonte there...hopefully THEY can get that team fixed...and become a contender...I REALLY WANT TO SEE The 43 CAR back in VICTORY LANE and would LOVE to see it w/ BOBBY LABONTE~

Having the 21 CAR in Victory lane would be nearly as good...but I'm a 43 FAN for life~

Dale Earnhardt Jr.
Born 1974
Cup Start 1999 (one race)
Rookie of the year 2000.
WINS 17
Driven for DEI entire cup career.

MATT KENSETH ROOKIE OF THE YEAR 2000 NOT JR

Thank you...I thought I knew that...which means the STATS page I was looking at was WRONG - and had it backwards...

KENNSETH by 42 points for RotY - AND KENNSETH got a CUP

As for the guy who says Kyle bush is a better driver then JR. you gotta give me some of that stuff your SMOKING cause its some good stuff!LOL!

Talentwise, Busch has it all over Junior.
He just needs to grow up.
A ton.
He's unpopular because he's a jerk, not because he can't drive.
He's one of the best raw talents to come down the pike in a while.

He doesn't have more talent, he's just got bigger balls right now because he's so young.....He's got less to lose than everybody, Especially Jr.....

Remember when you were a Kid, and used to see how high you could jump your bike off a jump when you 10-12....Go and walk to that same sight, and let me know if you would do it now or not when your 30-40....That kid will mature, and simmer back down to the same boat that everyone else in the sport is in, with responsibilities instead of just piles of Money.... :rolleyes:

He doesn't have more talent, he's just got bigger balls right now because he's so young.....He's got less to lose than everybody, Especially Jr.....
:rolleyes:

We'll just have to wait and see, Bill..
We are all just speculating..
But as I said earlier.. Kyle has done more, at his age,
than Junior at the same age...

The "balls factor" is indeed a reality.
But I'd rather have a fast horse, and have to tighten the reins,
than ride a nag, and try to make her faster... :thumbsup:

As for trying to remember when we were kids?
I have a hard time remembering what I did last week!!! :drunk:

We'll just have to wait and see, Bill..
We are all just speculating..
But as I said earlier.. Kyle has done more, at his age,
than Junior at the same age...

The "balls factor" is indeed a reality.
But I'd rather have a fast horse, and have to tighten the reins,
than ride a nag, and try to make her faster... :thumbsup:

As for trying to remember when we were kids?
I have a hard time remembering what I did last week!!! :drunk:

Your right, we are speculating...BUT, you can't go by age to age stats...The times and equipment were different, Kyle stepped into an already established team, and 3 teamates...When JR stepped in, he really had nothing to go by except for Steve Park, who wasn't a stellar teamate like Jeff Gordon or Jimmy Johnson would have been, so you really can't go there....I will give credit to Kyle on the "Age Front"...He sure does show his immaturity, and cannot handle and doesn't represent himself like some of the other young drivers do, which brings me to your point of "Fast Horse"..."He's" not good for business throwing 10 yr old tyraids as he just leaves the track without telling anyone... :thumbsup:

JR will be better with better equipment, and teamates.....Kyle better pray he has half of any of that if he doesn't go with RCR, in which out of the "Only" open seats is even comparable with Hendrick...

You think your memory is bad?, what the hell did I just right?, let me scroll up for a sec..... :tongue:

I saw Kyle run a tour car at our local track a few years back and the IDIOT blew the freaking motor up lighting up the tires on the parade lap. He will never be in the same class as JR.!!!

Since JR is going to Hendrick look how Truex is running now a win and a 3rd .

Since JR is going to Hendrick look how Truex is running now a win and a 3rd .

Two races does not a season make...
Casey Mears won one too.... :rolleyes:

Well since JR will be sharing the shop with Mears they can combine for two wins next year. It's gonna be a long five years at Hendricks the only war JR a win a championship is if he does a ride along with either Gordan or Johnson .

Well Jr, is driving for his STEP mother, who inturned has always owned DEI, Dale Sr. allowed the name of her race team, he was however very influential in the running of the business side of things for it, but don't forget even after the formation of DEI, who did Sr. race for......... RCR.... So being that his daddy ran for someone else other than his own company I feel Jr. should be allowed to do the same thing....

Go Junior, it takes a big man to get away from the bread basket of your own family name and go to somewhere else..... I feel Jr. made the right decision, "If I can not own it"...... I say congrats and will continue to support even if he does not win, I am a TRUE Jr. fan more for name sake than anything.....

Man after next year you'll be burning the JR stuff and Throwin your tv set on Sunday's I see why he is a Redskins Fan That's why Joe Gibbs has race teams he probably thought is was easier to win a championship with race cars.

WOW! Jason you are so funneeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :tongue: