As the brushless racing industry grows larger by the month, and the growing number of sintered rotors begin piling up in our pit boxes, one has to ask themselves which arm is the best one? Meaning which rotor has the strongest magnet in it? It’s a fact that over a period of time HEAT will have a direct impact on the strength of the magnet, resulting in the performance of your brushless motor. This is why after great sucsess pioneering the Original Zubak Speed Meter, I Bring you the SpeedMeter2!! If your a serious racer no matter what class, In Brushless racing this is a MUST have tool in your pit box! No more guessing which rotor is the best. Don't be caught in the "B" main because you "Thought" that was your best Rotor! The price of the Meter2 is $159.00 and for more scoop on the Meter2 go to my site, Or email me at bigjohnzubak@speedjuice.comThanks,
Big John Zubak
www.speedjuice.com (http://www.speedjuice.com/)

Hey guys, this meter is sweet......a must have in your pit box!!!!

Thanks,
JW Housley

And the first nail in the coffin of everybody's going to be equal. :cry:

And the first nail in the coffin of everybody's going to be equal. :cry:

I totally disagree, this item is just a tool to check your rotors to see when they weaken. You could always buy an expensive $$$$ guass meter to do the same thing.

This item is just a tool to take the guessing out of checking your rotors.

This item is just a tool to take the guessing out of checking your rotors.

That is true but, now I'm going to use my dyno for a door stop and start metering rotors. If anyone thinks that racers are not going to be buying up rotors to find the best one they are naive. It will be like the old sealed stock motor days. Buy 5, race the best one and pawn off the rest on the less fortunate.

Same game, different ballpark.

Reading through the brushless threads, brushless motors are being touted as being equal and age has little difference. This item makes it seem that, that is not the case. Now to be competitive you will need to meter rotors.

Not everyone can or will want to spend $300.00 for a meter.

So much for being equal.

When is the rotor zapper coming out???

Nice idea Zubie. Do you have any idea how many runs you were getting before the rotor lost some juice? Is it primarily heat dependant?

ok just got mine today and all i can say is sweet idea .... i like the idea of being able to check the rotor when you put so many runs on it for the heat factor ... this is a must have for thr serious brushless racer bob millerman hendry

I was one of the first to purchase a speed meter and after going thru all of my rotors i waz definately convinced this is a GREAT asset for anyone who plans on doing any serious BL racing. I have some rotors with ALOT of runs on them, and the meter definately tells me the difference between the new ones and the ones that have been ran to death.......great job Zube! :thumbsup:

i got mine today all i have to say is sweet idea ..... very well thought out way to check rotor for heat ... i like the small portable size this unit is fits right in your pit box .. this is a must for the serious brushless racers out there .. bob millerman hendry

Hey Al, Great Question, Here's what I can pass along to you, I've never heated my motors up over 163deg,(im sure outdoor summer racing would be different) and I have found that my rotors vary nearly 100 points from best to worst, NOT being a rocket scientist!! lol I can tell you that I would want to run the higher number rotor, will it break a track record??? probably not, will it allow you to pass someone on the outside in a straight away, Not!! Will it run a 1/10th OR more faster then the rotor reading 100 pioints less??? GREAT CHANCE!!

Ive watched over 15 years of products come on the market that make us faster including the Battery of the MONTH GAME!!!!! The bottom line is, YOU as the racer have the choice to purchase or not.

Not everyone can or will want to spend $300.00 for a meter.

So much for being equal.

You think this meter skews the equality of brushless racing???? :confused: It wouldn't be any different then dynoing these motors on a CE dyno to test rotors and cans, which can be done.

When is the rotor zapper coming out???

Not to far around the corner from what I have heard....

EA

So, we have a meter to test rotor strength. You can dyno them an a Turbo dyno. It seems that ,in the near future, we are going to have a rotor zapper. So we're back to motor building. I can see the races of the future, instead of pulling the arm to turn the comm we will be puling the rotors to meter and zapp.Tell me again, why we're going brushless.

Tell me again, why we're going brushless.

Probably just to make people ask questions.....

Ive watched over 15 years of products come on the market that make us faster including the Battery of the MONTH GAME!!!!! The bottom line is, YOU as the racer have the choice to purchase or not.

I've watch products come and go over the same 15+ years. You don't really have a choice if you want to remain competitive.

Tell me again, why we're going brushless.
Probably just to make people ask questions.....

Or to reduce even more our ever dwindling numbers.

Or to reduce even more our ever dwindling numbers.


Sounds like you are one of the few that thinks Brushless is the Debil!!!

Sorry to break the news to you but it is bringing in more than we are loosing!

Good Job Zubie :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

It is after all RACING.

In all forms, I do not care what yo are racing, there are going to be "tools" that give you an edge.

Certainly nobody thought that some sort of motor testing devices would never come about.

Anybody want to bet against me that a dyno will be coming out for the BL motors?

Anybody want to bet against me that a dyno will be coming out for the BL motors?

How do you think Novak puts a wattage rating on them?

Sounds like you are one of the few that thinks Brushless is the Debil!!!

Actually you're wrong, I already race brushless.

Sorry to break the news to you but it is bringing in more than we are loosing!

The technology doesn't bother me. I'm sure somewhere down the short road I too will be getting Zubie's meter. What does bother me is that brushless was being pushed hard as maintenance free and equal. This is not the case. When the people it is bringing in realize this they will be leaving like lemmings over a cliff.

How do you think Novak puts a wattage rating on them?

Sup Fuzzy!

I thought they wrote a bunch of numbers on a some small papers, put them in a hat and picked the ratings out!!!! :thumbsup:

Anybody want to bet against me that a dyno will be coming out for the BL motors?

It can be done now on a CE turbo dyno. What was CE selling the new TD's they were taking orders for? $1100.00 :eek:

Actually you're wrong, I already race brushless.



The technology doesn't bother me. I'm sure somewhere down the short road I too will be getting Zubie's meter. What does bother me is that brushless was being pushed hard as maintenance free and equal. This is not the case. When the people it is bringing in realize this they will be leaving like lemmings over a cliff.

Calm down!

The sky is not falling!! :thumbsup:

Awesome product Big John!

Calm down!

The sky is not falling!! :thumbsup:

I am calm. I have all the toys and all the tools. I love technology and look for every edge, if I had the skill it would be perfect.:D What I don't have is enough people to race with. I don't want to fool new people into thinking it's easy than scare them away.

if I had the skill it would be perfect.:D

I bought my skill............but had to return it for a software upgrade. Must have gotten lost in the mail.

I bought my skill............but had to return it for a software upgrade. Must have gotten lost in the mail.

You too eh?

if you can't afford this meter don't even worry about it..if your like me and only own 2 motors what in the hell can you do about it anyway? if you have two rotor s and they both dyno like pigs compared to your buddies brand new rotor and you have 0 dollars to buy another new rotor you can now make excuses as to why he beat you...

it's wont be because he is a better wheel or because he had a better handling car..no no it will because his rotor read 1250 and your was only a 1100..you lost the race before you got on the track! N O T

it's just a tool
do you realy have to have it to race? no way
unless you work at a hobby shop and have access to 30 rotors out of a box it realy won't do much for you..

if your rotor has a years worth of racing on it and you got it over 200 deg a few times chances are it is not going to read as high as a new rotor..i think that is a no brainer?

if you buy a new 10.5 and stick a meter on it and it reads lower than your buddies new rotor what can you do? quit racing? hell no!

honestly i wish zubie would haqve spent his time making a simple to use and read tech gauge for all brushless motors..i would have bought one of those in 3 seconds!

i love zubie and his products always have..but this tool is not the end all of tools to own..

in order to go brushless racing you need the following

1) a car
2)a battery pack
3)a charger
4)a radio
5)a desire to work on your car to make it faster every time it hits the track

number 5 will make you faster than a 1.249 pack and a 300.00 meter and 12 10.5 rotors in your pit box!

i love to win but i won't ever think for even a second i will need a meter to tell me my rotor is losing power...brushless is so damn cheap for me to run i have no problem buying a 30.00 rotor after 6 months of hard racing...i can buy 5 years worth of rotors for the cost of a meter that will tell me what i know anyway...

zubie i hope you don't get P O'd at me but my oppinion is the fewer of these "must have" gadgets in brushless racing the better ..and oh yes i know full damn well if it wasn't you it would be company X making one.....

this coming from a guy who has used nothing but 25.00 ultra bird motors and tries to keep the costs of oval racing in check...most of florida will again use only one brand brushless motor each year and try to keep oval racing more about wrenching and racing than gadgets and go fast items..

ok go ahead and rake me accross the fire ( several times)

btw this was not posted in man product support so i'm taking this thread as a discussion on brushless racing...if john moves this over i will not harass him about it..

i just hate to read about guys quitting because there rotor reads 10 points lower on the meter....

thanks bill

Right on Kat!

Wow congrats Zubak! Looks great man!!!

Wouldn't a meter like the one team1 sold for cans work if it had a jig to place the arm in?

Hi Bill, Great post, and very well spoken, as you said, it's just a tool. You certainly don't have to have this to win race's. Like I said on my intro.." This isen't for every Brushless Racer" And after doing this BRL for the past year, and really soul searching about supporting it, when I have a Top selling Com Drop through out the US, and 5 other countries Ive decided that Brushless is the way of the future, And while brushless is very new for most racers at this point I would'nt want Nor expect a New Brushless racer with 1 or 2 rotors to buy this, But a year down the road when Brushless is an Epidemic and the average racer has 6-8 rotors like I have now, then that will be the time when he'll have to make a decision. Good hearing from you Catfish!!xoxo

You have to keep one thing in mind when you think about John and its he's a speed freak. He's always looking for more speed to compensate for his driving skills.lol I see there are two ways to look at this tool. One,not all motors are equal (no surprize there), two, now there is a way if a racer chooses can maximize his motor output. I think its great someone came out with the next improvement/tool in the evolution of brushless technology.

Probably didn't expect the negative responses but there not with the tool itself but maybe the inconsistancy of the motors. Thats why i feel Tekins brushless systems should be given a chance to enter the market in the oval series. From what I have heard there motors are more consistant that Novaks. Not sure but thats the rumor.

Good luck with your new meter it just looks fast.

You mean they do not draw the numbers out of a hat?

Let me clarify. A "commercially available" dyno.

the problem with tekin or any other brushless company is they are riding a wave novak created. plus novak has been a huge supporter of the focar series and of course the BRL series..novak has set the standards with the 13.5 10.5 and so on...i myself will buy a tekin brushless speedo if/when they hit the shelves..

i do have one question???

why do all the speedo companies continue to make the brushless speedos brushed/brushless why not just make a brushelss speedo only?honestly thats what i want..

thanks big J and as always i hope you sell 3 million of them...i'll borrow one from a buddy,lol.

could/can someone make a brushless tech gadget? something super easy to use and does not require taking the motor apart or out of the car? thats what I want.

Heck I have been putting Speed Juice in my 10.5 and swore it helped HAHA!

LOL! Nice, I've been trying to figure where to drill myself! lol

could/can someone make a brushless tech gadget? something super easy to use and does not require taking the motor apart or out of the car? thats what I want.


ME TOO~!

So, we have a meter to test rotor strength. You can dyno them an a Turbo dyno. It seems that ,in the near future, we are going to have a rotor zapper. So we're back to motor building. I can see the races of the future, instead of pulling the arm to turn the comm we will be puling the rotors to meter and zapp.Tell me again, why we're going brushless.


Yeah, and what about people WINDING or re-WINDING their own motors with different gauge wire, or a turn or two less winds...UNLIKE a Brushed motor...they won't have the need to be balanced...so it should be easier....will a heavier gauge wire show up on a LCR meter?

This is kind of like a argument I made about the LIPO battery (Don't get me wrong...I'm a guy pushing hard for both B/L and LIPO) but, IF a racer thinks he has a 1-2 % chance of having MORE Performance by OVER Discharging His LIPO battery and running it w/o a LIPO cutoff...and thinks THAT may WIN him the SNOWBIRDS, NATIONALS, or any big CLUB race...do you think that the chance of the battery getting RUINED will STOP him???

I don't~

IMO, unless you are a TOP notch driver AND know how to set up your car for the track you are running on you might as well dump your money down the drain as to buy this type of tool. It will only help the top people get a teeny bit better.

IMO, unless you are a TOP notch driver AND know how to set up your car for the track you are running on you might as well dump your money down the drain as to buy this type of tool. It will only help the top people get a teeny bit better.

When a teeny bit is the difference from watching the A and racing the A. Your gonna wish you had one!

When a teeny bit is the difference from watching the A and racing the A. Your gonna wish you had one!

Damn, now I have to get one to keep up with you!!! :freak:

Damn, now I have to get one to keep up with you!!! :freak:

too funny!

Brian0525 he will not spend the money on one don't worry!!!!!

Heck I have been putting Speed Juice in my 10.5 and swore it helped HAHA!


Look its one of mike boylan's speed secrets!!!

Interesting discussion. Out of all of this I am most impressed that Zubbie is the first small "aftermarket" company (that I know of) to alter their thinking and start addressing the upcoming changes in the marketplace.

Will there be dynos for brushless motors? You bet.

Will there be other "tuning aids" available for brushless motors? You bet.

Will you have to buy any of them to be competitive? Not a chance.

But one thing you can be sure of, you will never have to cut a comm or replace brushes again.

Note to self! flipper13 will drive the brown truck!

Brian0525 he will not spend the money on one don't worry!!!!!

thats enough from you cheatin ole man...lol

When a teeny bit is the difference from watching the A and racing the A. Your gonna wish you had one! I am still hoping to make the D main so it will be eons before I need that thing ! That is what I meant in my post above, it will only be A main guys who will even need somthing like that, BUT there are probably enough guys that are fooling themselves that he will sell quite a few.