I was working on a design for a full floating rear suspension car a few years ago..using a Direct Drive diff similar to the ones on a Custom Works DD Dirt Oval car, but with a trailing arm suspension instead of a "A" arm suspension.

The basic design would allow rear camber, vertical shocks, and an adjustable hub set up to allow tracking width changes by using an locking hub that could slide and be adjusted on the stub axle of the drive shafts.

This design was more a mid-mounted motor design, and would have used the old HPI RoadStar style front end.

It always looked on paper like it would be really heavy, but with B/L and Lipo....hmmmm I wonder.

I always read about guys who don't like it when 'technology' is stopped....but we never allowed the thought of these types of cars...

Why is it ok to stop Some technology..but not others....

If you open up the pn car class to this type of design, then you will have to aloww other cars like cw cars and others that share the same style.. These types of cars have been tested and used in the past.. for the most part the straight axle still is king.. There was a bunch of cars in the late 80's and early 90's that used exactly what you are describing.. Not only will they be heavey, but it sounds like a higher cost to make them.. Why not just do the Touring oval thing, or use cw cars..

I remember “back in the day” when the really hot shoes at our local track would scratch build their cars. One in particular, cut down a Dominator chassis plate and made a pan car out of it. Now days if you bring something like that to the track people laugh at you because it’s “hand made” and not something “professionally” produced. Funny thing is, they are usually the ones screaming about “this is a hobby”.

There are a lot of things, like electrical equipment and motors that would not fall into the same category but I sometimes think that local tracks get too tied up in national rules too allow the hobby racer to be a true “hobby” racer.

I remember “back in the day” when the really hot shoes at our local track would scratch build their cars. One in particular, cut down a Dominator chassis plate and made a pan car out of it. Now days if you bring something like that to the track people laugh at you because it’s “hand made” and not something “professionally” produced. Funny thing is, they are usually the ones screaming about “this is a hobby”.

There are a lot of things, like electrical equipment and motors that would not fall into the same category but I sometimes think that local tracks get too tied up in national rules too allow the hobby racer to be a true “hobby” racer.


couldnt have said it any better, I love to tinker on stuff even if it never makes it to the track just never happy with what I have, but the hopes of one day maybe racing it or testing it, others do look at you weird and say HUH ummm why and what the hell, I remember bringing several prototypes of cars I made to my local track only to be asked the same questions why,what for,just buy this car etc... not good enough for me.

I have seen a 42oz 6 cell CW car I weight it my self and it was with body

Ben Giles

I have heard Brent Redlin designed a car like this and did some testing on it. From what I have heard it was stupid fast, although I never did get to see it. I would love a four shock coil over car just like the big ones. I think it would take the hobby to a whole new level.

Now that WOULD BE a TC Oval car.

I wonder sometimes why we're stuck with 1/10 scale? With the power we have on tap these days, why not move to a larger chassis and body? Having 4 shocks would be awesome, swaybar options, NASCAR style rear end assemblies, etc ...

Larger cars would solve a few problems we're facing. Heavier cars would slow things down a little. LiPo would fit in them better. Larger parts would be easier to work on. They would be easier to see and race. Etc ... Just a thought!

You could always race quarter scale.

I wonder sometimes why we're stuck with 1/10 scale? With the power we have on tap these days, why not move to a larger chassis and body? Having 4 shocks would be awesome, swaybar options, NASCAR style rear end assemblies, etc ...

Larger cars would solve a few problems we're facing. Heavier cars would slow things down a little. LiPo would fit in them better. Larger parts would be easier to work on. They would be easier to see and race. Etc ... Just a thought!

While that sounds great. I'm afraid they may be to big for some of the smaller 'bullring' type oval tracks. Most of the tracks around here can barely accomodate 6 - 8 cars.

I think that's why 1/10th is still the best, about as large as you can get on most if the carpet tracks that we race on in winter. Plus larger scale, larger parts, more expense... IMO Ralf

I've noticed that it seems one of the big differences....coast to coast is the west, or anywhere that races out doors has good size tracks, but unlike California..so many places have to rely on being able to race indoors cause they don't have our 'summer like' weather 11 months a year.

Sometimes the weather here on the Central Coast of California....ALMOST makes it worth costing so much more to live there than dang near anywhere else in the world....LOLOL

I've noticed that it seems one of the big differences....coast to coast is the west, or anywhere that races out doors has good size tracks, but unlike California..so many places have to rely on being able to race indoors cause they don't have our 'summer like' weather 11 months a year.

Sometimes the weather here on the Central Coast of California....ALMOST makes it worth costing so much more to live there than dang near anywhere else in the world....LOLOL


Your probably correct! If we all lived out there, the extra weight on the state of California would be more apt to break off at the San Andreas fault and float out to Hawaii! How cool would that be!!

Jake, Leonard Woods made a 10th scale gas car that was about what you are talking about. While it was still 10th scale it was as close to a real NASCAR chassis you can get. Right down to the track bar. He would put a brass plate in the front and date it and sign it…..way cool.

Jake, Leonard Woods made a 10th scale gas car that was about what you are talking about. While it was still 10th scale it was as close to a real NASCAR chassis you can get. Right down to the track bar. He would put a brass plate in the front and date it and sign it…..way cool.

Any pictures of one??

No, wish I had one of my own but he made them to order and I don't think he does any more.

Hey guys, here are some pics of the car I designed about five or so years ago with the full floating rear pod. This is the car Joey3 spoke about earlier in this thread. Thought some of you might want to take a look.

Come on Jake, sounds like you are getting old and needing things to be bigger so you can see them! :freak: :devil: ..........Hey! I resemble that statement!

Up front- What are you waiting for? It looks cool, Nice job!

ok...got me curious...

what is that in place of the normal center shock?

a friend of mine ran this car some time ago, the center shock is actually a reverse operating shock, meaning it's spring opposes pulling the shaft out instead of in, it allows the pod to hinge under acceleration to increase bite under power.

Hey guys, here are some pics of the car I designed about five or so years ago with the full floating rear pod. This is the car Joey3 spoke about earlier in this thread. Thought some of you might want to take a look.

...Real race cars have panhard (track) bars... This was the coolest car anyone ever lent me. Not sure why I returned it, Brent... heh heh :thumbsup:

The center link acts like one of these (http://www.circletrack.com/techarticles/pull_bar_liftbar_traction_tech/photo_05.html).

Brent, Do you still have that car? If you do I would love for you to bring it to the track some time. I have heard alot about it and I would love to see it.

It is actually built and ready to go. I will try and bring it next time we race.

Definately bring it Brent I would love to see it.

Looks good to me... :thumbsup:

darkside sells a vert shock setup for there cars also i think

the car looks sweet :thumbsup:

Check out this nitro car: http://www.rc-oval.com/coyotenitro.html

Check out this nitro car: http://www.rc-oval.com/coyotenitro.html


Hmmm, looks familiar :D:D:D

The new one is even better.

Hmmm, looks familiar :D:D:D

The new one is even better.
were can you buy this car?

They just need to adapt it for electric!

I just saw Nick Cases' Velo car this weekend. He was flying and when he showed me his car it had a STOCK Asc front end! No shocks on the front. The track isn't all that smooth either. After seeing that I don't think you need anything more then the Asc front end, depending on your track, and aluminum castor blocks. Most cars had either the Natale duel sport front end or the Big boys front end, both use shocks.

were can you buy this car?


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