What about the back of the body having to be left in.
how about a wing?
this is related to 13.5
just wondering due to the fact i have carpet bodies that i cant run now????

The aero package in 13.5 is pretty fun. Pick up a new body, you'll enjoy it.

I think some of the outdoor cap tire tracks are allowing wings and the back cut out for 13.5. That’s OK with me.

When we go back to carpet the 13.5 rules will be the same as last year, full back, 3/4" spoiler no wings.

I'll probably add a few clarifications for next season also. I can tell you the shape of the lower rear quarters and vent holes in the side of the body will be addressed.

vent holes LOL good stuff,,,hmmmmmmm

They help keep the driver from getting carbon monoxide poisoning! ;)

Seriously though I agree we ought to get rid of the bent up bodies. There's no point in having wing and spoiler rules if people are allowed to bend the rear quarter panels into the shape of a wing!

What are the rules going to be for this truck class I have heard about???

Sonny, not sure what track length that most BRL races are run on, but at the Oval NAt's the speeds for 13.5 were getting close to the 19 turn speeds 2 to 3 laps faster than stock brushed motor speeds. That is a fast starting speed for brushless racing. Most 13.5 racers were stock racers moving up. Most drivers said they would like to have a wing for more control in racing conditions. I know if the bite had not been up it would have been hard to drive (exspecialy for us over 55 racers lol).
A lot of the tracks here in the south go over 160' run line for carpet and the outside tracks (asphalt and concrete) start at 260 to 350 or longer.

I am not trying to cause any problems, just stating what was said to me. I like the 13.5 class and what brushless racing I have done has been fun ( all ready got rid of my brushed motor equipment.) I am happy to do what ever the class rules state and try to build brushless racing. In my twenty years this is one of the best things to happen to Oval racing.

I would like to say thinks to Novak and you for your work getting this going.

What are the rules going to be for this truck class I have heard about???

I hope to have a finalized rules package for the Masters Truck Class in August. For now here is a quick outline.

Chassis: Basic pan car rules.
Weight: 41oz
Motor: Novak 13.5
Battery: 4 Cell 4300’s or less
Body: BRL 07 Truck body (Details TBA)
Age Limit: TBA

When NOVAK comes out with the new motor for LIPO racing are you going to allow it with LIPO in BRL? Also I am thinking it might make a GREAT entry level motor with 4-cells, what about a new "spec" speed class? Thanks RAlf

Sonny, not sure what track length that most BRL races are run on, but at the Oval NAt's the speeds for 13.5 were getting close to the 19 turn speeds 2 to 3 laps faster than stock brushed motor speeds. That is a fast starting speed for brushless racing. Most 13.5 racers were stock racers moving up. Most drivers said they would like to have a wing for more control in racing conditions. I know if the bite had not been up it would have been hard to drive (exspecialy for us over 55 racers lol).
A lot of the tracks here in the south go over 160' run line for carpet and the outside tracks (asphalt and concrete) start at 260 to 350 or longer.

I am not trying to cause any problems, just stating what was said to me. I like the 13.5 class and what brushless racing I have done has been fun ( all ready got rid of my brushed motor equipment.) I am happy to do what ever the class rules state and try to build brushless racing. In my twenty years this is one of the best things to happen to Oval racing.

I would like to say thinks to Novak and you for your work getting this going.
Hi Larry thanks for thoughts.

This past season we raced on carpet tracks from 130’ to 200’ and the lack of a wing was not an issue. Some who raced with a wing at there local track said they could not really feel a difference on track however the lap times obviously were quicker with the wing. Outdoor on caps I can see where it would be needed.

Personally I feel it adds some visual separation between the classes. They also look more scale to the spectators who may be watching or those who may see photos of them. Some may feel this is not important however we have future plans to go outside of the hobby world and try to attract new racers. This may help open the door to bringing in some new blood.

I personally thought that it was more difficult for some guys to get going without out the wing. I like the look, I didn't like some of the "bump" drafting that happened. It would have been a wreck either way but it seems the lead car took the brunt of the crash and the bump drafter seemed to escape relatively unharmed.

You really want to make things fun, don't let any class have a wing. That would slow down the cars and show who is really the best.

When NOVAK comes out with the new motor for LIPO racing are you going to allow it with LIPO in BRL? Also I am thinking it might make a GREAT entry level motor with 4-cells, what about a new "spec" speed class? Thanks RAlf

Not at this time. We have plans to test the motor but not with LiPo's..

Some of the indoor track owners do not wish to allow Lipo’s. Having seen a few go up I can’t say that I really blame them.

Some may think I have something against them which I don’t. They forget I work for one of the largest retailers of LiPo’s in the US. We also sell the Orion packs. So if anything I would have an interest in seeing them work.

There is safer more stable technology in the works. Once it arrives I think you will see more of a switch.

BTW: For the record I’m not a big fan of the current NiMh cells either. In terms of longevity these have to be the worst cells since the old Panasonic days. I’m still looking into some other alternatives.

Hi Larry thanks for thoughts.

This past season we raced on carpet tracks from 130’ to 200’ and the lack of a wing was not an issue. Some who raced with a wing at there local track said they could not really feel a difference on track however the lap times obviously were quicker with the wing. Outdoor on caps I can see where it would be needed.



I found the winged car to be no faster on tracks where I tried both. I actually kind of like the feel of wingless car better.

I also tried the wingless package for a few battery packs with 4300 and found it to be pretty fun. The car was running good laps and had I worked with it probably would have been competitive with the good winged 4300 cars. I was racing 13.5 that day so I didn't bother playing too long.

Sonny,

I think the 17.5 we've been testing would make a great 4 cell Stock speed motor. The new motor they are supposed to be working on (Hopefully a 21.5) I think would be really hard to gear w/ 4 cell, but for local clubs looking for a slower spec type motor it might be good.

The 17.5 should be around a 2800 rpm ( approx 13,700 w/ 4 cell) vs. the 13.5's 3300 rpm (16,000 w/ 4 cell)

If you guys do ever to decide to go the route of LIPO the 17.5 runs really close to the current 4 cell 10.5 speed, and the 10.5 runs virtually the same speeds as a OPEN MOD with a smoother throttle.

i really would like a motor to race closer to stock, and now it sounds like most of the guys that were running 4300 here in michigan are switching to 13.5 because they like it better.

What will the 17.5 motor do to the 13.5 class? Will everyone running the 13.5 switch to the 17.5 to get back to stock speed, will the 17.5 motor be more for a beginners class, or will the 17.5 be added as another class? Just want to get people thoughts on this because I'm looking to get a 13.5 motor so I can race at tracks that don't race 4300 on a regular basis. I don't want to get a 13.5 motor and then end up still having to get a 17.5 to be able to race were 13.5 is popular.

Z-Main

I don't know how many motors you have now, or what you plan to do in the future...as for myself, since I own over 100 brushed motors now (most of which are as much as 10 years old) I plan to own about every combination possible to fit what ever class and track I decided to run...but this won't happen overnight.

As for the 17.5 motor, some have asked about a 'spec speed' motor w/ 4 cell. The 13.5 is too fast for that...in my opinion the 13.5 is already faster than most stock motors, on most tracks.

We've only been testing the 17.5 as a motor to be used with our upcoming (SWTOUR SERIES) LIPO class. It's too fast to use a a stock replacement...since it is running virtually the same speed as a 10.5 on 4 cell....

I'm hoping to get a few chances to test the 17.5 on 4 cell, just to see what it will do with that power...mainly because the more uses we can find for a particular motor, the better chance we have of having it built to our specs.

Sonny- If not alowing the wing in the 13.5 class would you consider alowing us to run the full protoform spoiler? Would improve on handling and stability and would keep the scale appearence that you value. Just a thought...


Brian

i agree with you on that one, the 1 inch spoiler handles better than the 3/4, but maybe sonny will take away the fender flares and give us the full inch spoiler.
has anyone run 17.5 or 18.5 with 4 cells, i would really like to know how they compare to th 13.5 and 10.5, in my opinion the 13.5 and 10.5 are just to close in speed.

I don't know where you guys are finding one inch spoilers on Protoforms. My last 8 or so bodies all had 3/4". Thats Monte's, Intrepids, Chargers...

I don't know where you guys are finding one inch spoilers on Protoforms. My last 8 or so bodies all had 3/4". Thats Monte's, Intrepids, Chargers...

add the one built into the car and you will see what they mean!

Total From Deck Lid

I don't see why the issue with the spoiler the way it was. I think having the correct body to match your car was more important which I failed to do.

I like the aero package as is. Making the cars easier to drive doesn't necessarily make for better racing. It makes having the perfect setup and maximum horsepower even more critical. I would say newer guys will be more frustrated with a car that feels like it handles fine yet is 4 laps off the pace then they will be learning to dive a car that is a little more difficult.

Just my opinion.

i have no problem with the spoiler rule the way it is now.cars still look "scale" and handle just fine to me.i know racers will be racers but man we don't need to go trying to chang the rules as i think the 13.5 class and rule package rocked this year.i just hope ol SB don't make us go to that ugly COT body.

i have no problem with the spoiler rule the way it is now.cars still look "scale" and handle just fine to me.i know racers will be racers but man we don't need to go trying to chang the rules as i think the 13.5 class and rule package rocked this year.i just hope ol SB don't make us go to that ugly COT body.

Im with ya on the cot body... I dont want any part of running those..

the spoiler deal.. Im indifferent.. I ran mine with the 3/4" brl legal spoiler and had no hookup issues At SCH.. Heck my 13.5 car was running better/almost as fast as my winged no back 4300 car.. And at Pit Road in 13.5 my BRL setup was less than a second off Monti's record and I was running agianst guys with wings and backs cut out.. ***they dont run BRL rules there>>>yet.. The 1 time I ran 13.5 in cincy I never felt like the car needed a wing either.. Im with sonny on this one.. Unless its a large capped track where hookup is crucial I dont see a need to add the wings..

Either way I plan to run a lot more brl races this year.. :dude:

At my local track, 13.5 carpet, we were open to wings or spoilers, racers choice. The first couple weeks I was the only one at my track that ran spoiler only. By the end of that month, nobody ran wings, all spoilers. I asked why they switched. They said there car was easer to make faster without the wing than it was with it. I’m glad the "BRL" made that rule or else I would have never known how good my car runs with out a wing.

For out door: I ran my car with the back left in just to see what the difference is. My car was vary twitchy, but only when driving into the wind. i cut the rear out and drove, my car was then PLANTED , it lost the twitch, and dropped a tenth .
I know at a place like tri-clone one could drive there car around just fine with a spoiler but I don't think they could keep pace with out the side dams.
jmo

i don't think anyone want to add a wing, i would be dead against that my self.
i think what the argument is about the height 3/4 or an inch, in my opinion the monti carlo runs fine with a 3/4 spoiler but the dodge works better with a 1 inch spoiler, but thats just my opinion.
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brian & mbeach,

Thanks for clearing up the spoiler height thing. I wasn't including the deck kick-up. Older bodies didn't have that and that's why I'm used to measuring just the spoiler. My Montes didn't have it but I see the Charger does. http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/images/icons/icon10.gif

With the ORL we've pretty much been using the BRL rules for our brushless classes. One change we did make thou is with the Sportsman Brushless class and the back of the body. We changed the rule to: 11.33 The rear of the body may NOT be cut out any higher than 1 5/8" from the top of the trunk lid. We did this because measuring from the ground up was not a consistant way. You would be legal when you had smaller/older tires on then when you put new ones on suddenly you were not legal. Or when you changed the center spring it would sometimes change it. Measuring from the top down keeps it consistant regardless of your ride height or body mount height.

As for wings, we are allowing rear wings but still must keep the back of the body in. Hasn't been a problem. Heck, we used to run the Street Spec cars with the rear intact on the big tracks with no problem. They use to hook up great. And they were a bare bones cheap chassis. And with the 6 cell spec pack and spec motor, they were faster than the regular 4 cell stock class.

I totally agree with Danny. Real latemodels don't have wings.

Is there a web site that has all the BRL rules on it. Or do it have to sit here and spend hours trying to find all the rules and if they been updated. I have been on the brlracing.com web and nothing there.

Thanks
Stephen Pedano

Updated set will be posted here on Monday.

Here is the link to last year set. 95% of them will remain the same.

http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=158460

Thank You
I will check back then


Stephen Pedano


BTW Would it not be easier to have the rules on your web site? Be easier to find anyway.

Updated set will be posted here on Monday.

Here is the link to last year set. 95% of them will remain the same.

http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=158460

I already punched holes in the rear quarters of all my BRL bodies, lol! Im gonna be disapointed if ya get strict like roar with the small stuff!................. :woohoo: for BRL & my hole punch!

I already punched holes in the rear quarters of all my BRL bodies, lol! Im gonna be disapointed if ya get strict like roar with the small stuff!................. :woohoo: for BRL & my hole punch!


Better have Jodi paint a few new ones champ...LOL

Thank You
I will check back then


Stephen Pedano


BTW Would it not be easier to have the rules on your web site? Be easier to find anyway.

We have two sites try www.brl-racing.com and scroll to the right. It has the rules.

There go's the Pro-Built aero-package!

There go's the Pro-Built aero-package!

You just need to use the Zubie motor package to get it back.... :D

We have two sites try www.brl-racing.com and scroll to the right. It has the rules.
Thank You

lmao! i still have nightmares about zubies motor package!... ok, i have cars to build and now new bodies to mount!.... later

Are the new Protoform NASTRUCK bodies available yet ???

If so, where ???

Some of us "old guys" would like to run that class :-)

will there be a alternate NASTRUCK body for us old guys?????????

How about the new McAllister Chevy truck body?

Sonny what about the McAllister will it work until the other bodys are ready ....

Updated set will be posted here on Monday.

Here is the link to last year set. 95% of them will remain the same.

http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=158460



Well it's Tuesday and i dont see any updates

Well it's Tuesday and i dont see any updates


Running a little behind. Should be up late tonight or tomorrow evening…

Are the new Protoform NASTRUCK bodies available yet ???

If so, where ???

Some of us "old guys" would like to run that class :-)


Thanks for everyone's thoughts on the truck body.

I've been working with Dale at PROTOform on the Masters truck idea since the beginning of the year. Dale was vary receptive to the idea from the start and agreed to not only design a new body but step up and support the class as title sponsor.

I've also had a conversation with the Todd Mattson the owner of Pro-line and he is very supportive of what we are doing with the BRL. To me as an oval racer it is significant to have the support of one of the top R/C companies industry.

For the above reason we will be staying exclusively with the PROTOform truck body for the Masters class.

As a Product Manger I understand as much as anyone that when developing a new item delays sometimes happen that are out of your control. This has been the case with the new truck body as the release is a little behind schedule.

The PROTOform and Pro-line crew I s pushing hard to make sure we have bodies available for the first race. It may just be days before but be we will have them. :thumbsup:

As of now the first batch of bodies is expected to be sent to an oval friendly distributor around the first week of October. I will post more details on the release as soon as I have them.

I already punched holes in the rear quarters of all my BRL bodies, lol! Im gonna be disapointed if ya get strict like roar with the small stuff!................. :woohoo: for BRL & my hole punch!


YEA THAT SUCKS!!!!! :p GUESS WE BETTER GET OUT THE DUCT TAPE,EH FRANKIE!!!!! :woohoo:

YEA THAT SUCKS!!!!! :p GUESS WE BETTER GET OUT THE DUCT TAPE,EH FRANKIE!!!!! :woohoo:

I know a pretty decent painter, no biggie. :thumbsup: