Speed controls were hooked up with a wire ACROSS THE TOP OF THE FETS?

When 1400 SCR's were THE BATTERY?

When 4.5 amps was considered high ampereage?

There was no such thing as cap tires?

All the cars were W-I-D-E?

The TRC beam front end was cool?

The TRC 4-link rear end was cool?

The only traction compound was Paragon?

When Narrow cars came out and nobody thought they would work?

200+ entries was the norm at an Oval Nats? If you did not pre-register you might not get in.

Back in the early 80's we would have 75 racers on an average night.

I can answer all of the above with at the track!

I remember when the SS 10L came out, I guess it worked out...huh.
I still have some 1200's sitting around and a TRC beam front end.
Its still as much fun as ever, I've made some great friends racing these cars, I hope were all still doing this 15 years from now.

Doug p

Me too Doug.

Yeah we did not think that narrow stuff would catch on especially on carpet. then I took one up to Decatur to a little banked track. It was all over but the crying for the wide cars.

I remember my BoLINK Invader - (My first PAN CAR)
I remember yellow shrink 1200's being charged on a 30 minute timer type charger until they were SO HOT the shrink was nearly melting and having to pick them up with a TOWEL.

I remember being the LAST GUY at my track using a WIPER SPEEDCONTROL in my RC10 (I had it modified to go full throttle at about 1/2 throttle...

I remember racing in a parking lot doing a road race with a RC10 on KNOBBY Tires, (Nobody had mounted FOAMS for an RC10 and ...what's a pan car?

I still have a couple of the TRC or Cheeta straight axles

Paragon heck - we used straight WINTERGREEN OIL

I still have my Novak4 speed control w/ the fuse soldered in the wire. (I think I still have one of the original TEKIN's too)

I loved my Futaba BROWN Box radio - with the 5 ft. antenna

MOST OF ALL - the track we ran was a DIRT OVAL inside a small building (Now a furniture store) the track couldn't have had a run line of 90 ft....

I was only 8 or 9 when that gear was out on the track.

Awesome!

Still have my Futaba box radio and a beam frt end around, showed off my old "fused" speedo to the guys last time we worked on our cars.

Made my own charger with an ammeter and a headlight dimmer switch in a radio shack box, sure got hot but I could have a pack ready in 10 minutes(1200sc)- I remember putting a pack of 1400s in my truck for the A main, indoor carpet/stadium racing, tone went off and it flipped over backwards from the punch!

10LSS, what a sweet ride, with the "NEW" Lumina body on it looked fast sitting still!

Never saved any of the 45 degree stock motors tho :cry:

Yup I remember all of that... I also remember taking TRC beamed kingpins out of the pack and putting them into a vice and BEATING camber into them... LOL...and splitting/pinning them on a lathe for split caster**I think TRC ended up selling them that way eventually.. I still have my ALL METAL UNIMAT Lathe/machining center as well***thats what you used to cut coms with and make parts on.. I still use it to this day to make body posts and small parts on..

I still have my NARROW LynXII superspeedway car WITH GROUND EFFECTS... and I still have my narrow Hyperdrive H10RS...

I still have a BOX completely full of 45 deg timing stock motors>>>redline/Wimpy/ B&R Bullet and magnums, and a ton of original slot machine motors.. I still have some assembled IN BRAID>>>NO bars >>> 1200 scrs red shring and SCE's yellow shrink.. and I still have my first :eek: MATCHED :eek: pack of trinity 1200's... The numbers are laughable..especially considering the low discharge rate they were matched at...

And of course back then I always rolled on TRC Pro Cuts for carpet.. I also still have some original caps in my fridge in my shop... they go back to about 1990..Ive got TRC and Bolink rubber capped tires.. LOL

Yes, I can answer yes to all of the above as well! I think I was the first at Marshalls to buy a new 10lss car. I had 10l composite craft chassis wide cars and bought the narrow car as a project. I had another driver driving the narrow car and we were doing R&D with it. About three weeks into the project he was faster than I was with the track record holding wide car. The rest was history!

Forget electronic speed controls how about a big variable resistor with an arm running across it. And what about the old futaba controller looked like a metal box with a steering wheel add four long standoffs and a slot car controller with the linkage to control the throttle. We should start a thread with vintage R/C pictures. Brings back the memories.

Paragon is still the only traction compound.

Wow, you are making me really feel old LOL!

I was racing when there were NO speed controls and we use a resister and a wiper arm that worked off of a servo!

My first batteries were yellow 1200 packs that we charged the “night before” the race!

We use to glue a section of bicycle inner tube around foam tires to make our own caps (true story)

Wide cars and split packs because the LTO had not been invented yet.

How about the Bolink Invader? I “think” that was the first Pan Car…….could be wrong but it was “my” first one LOL Before that we used the RC 10 buggy. The TRC stuff was out but it never was “cool” LOL

The only traction compound that we could use at the first track was what the hobby shop made and sold there. Then we “discovered” WD40 LOL

That stupid narrow car will never get around the track because if Joel Johnson couldn’t make it work when I was at the Peach Bowl, “I” will not even try it!.......But I did!

The last National event I ran at King RC had over 400 entries and it took ALL DAY just to run the 3 lap qualifying run to set the heats. But at least now we have the “Birds”.

Speed controls were hooked up with a wire ACROSS THE TOP OF THE FETS? My first speedo was a resister with a wiper arm on my RC 10 buggy.

When 1400 SCR's were THE BATTERY? yes the purple cells were illegal!

When 4.5 amps was considered high ampereage? yes

There was no such thing as cap tires? yes

All the cars were W-I-D-E? my first two pan cars were RC 10L's

The TRC beam front end was cool? ?

The TRC 4-link rear end was cool? ?

The only traction compound was Paragon? Yes

When Narrow cars came out and nobody thought they would work? yes

200+ entries was the norm at an Oval Nats? If you did not pre-register you might not get in. Never went

K&N had almost 345 entries for the winterblast!

There were only two basic color tires Blue and Green with the occaisional yellow.

I had a pro-tek crank charger, Used a trinity LeMans motor.

I had a one piece aluminum rear pod for my RC10LSO and it had a composite craft chassis.

The race results were determined by a group of our girlfriends sitting track side with stopwatches and clipboards. And noone questioned the results!

The paved track was so bumpy that RC 10 buggies with Bolink foams could beat any pan car!

When bearings were considered an upgrade!

Parma 12th scale, wiper speed control, Bolink yellow 1200sc matched at 8 amps.

And the Peach Bowl yea!!!!

King was great, my favorite track of all time, good folks. They even put the drivers stand in the correct place, in the tri oval, not the straights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tee times for practice.

Rickster, i know that bumpy asphalt track you speak of. believe it or not, it's still there. i was at trackside a few months back. the land was/is forsale...WAY....overpriced......

Yep,I can answer yes to about all of them,The 1200's were my first packs.King was a cool track,I went as a spectator, too afraid to get in with the "big boys",I remember hearing and reading about this really cool race called the snowbirds down in florida,and showing the guys at work pics of the whip in rc car action.I've still got that TRC beam front end.Just think someone will start a thread years from now and we will be remembering 4200's, LOL

We were racing R/C cars "before":

1/10th scale was even thought of and before 1/12th scale started, before "electrics". The only thing electric on the set up were the batteries to run your radio and servos. Rechargable batteries?? What were those? Lap counting was done with hand counters and a stop watch, for each person on the track. Radios didn't have a wheel, only sticks.

Futaba was the first to put a wheel on the radio, with a rocker button for the throttle. Arturo Carbonell came up the the idea to put a slot car controller on the radio for throttle and brake. This was the "advent" of the the "pistol grip" radio.

ROAR was something that a lion did.

A "dedicated track" was a parking lot that allowed a club to "paint" the outline of a track on it.

:wave:

Tiger's Milk was the original tire traction I knew of prior to paragon. it was in a small squeezable container I think it came from slot car days. Trinity's Ernie P. once said R/C would never take off, this of course was back in the slot car hayday. Trinity was operating in the back of a hobbyshop in Union, NJ ( BIR = Best in Racing )

First oval car was an MRP GP-10, 1200mah SC's for 6-cell stock, 1700mah SCE's for 7-cell Mod., 45 deg. stock motors, wide bodied cars beat the snot out of the little skinny cars for a while, speed controls required a servo to make them work, capped tires meant you still had foam on the rims. LOL

Yup, the good old days...........................

I still remember the first person to show up with an ESC at our track. He had a Tekin mounted on the rear shock tower of an RC10 with a old WIDE Monte Carlo body. Every time he came down the straigtaway you could see the red light on. He was a celebrity at the track for a while for that alone. We used to run Grasshoppers and Hornets at an off road track around here. The track had so much sand in it you had to run sponge "filters" around the motor. The track owners son would win almost every time even though you lapped him. lol
Does anybody else remember Troll tires?
How about S&K "Airs" bodies?

Mike

Tiger's Milk was the original tire traction I knew of prior to paragon. it was in a small squeezable container I think it came from slot car days. Trinity's Ernie P. once said R/C would never take off, this of course was back in the slot car hayday. Trinity was operating in the back of a hobbyshop in Union, NJ ( BIR = Best in Racing )

Yup, Mura Tiger's Milk...we started with that or just used WD40...:thumbsup:

I remember a lot of that stuff. Narrow cars were available, but Wide cars were still used a lot. I remeber the 1400 red cells, and the 1700 black cells were awsome when they came out. Well because they had more runtime, but I still used the 1400 for hot laps (when we had 100 people show up we needed something to set the heats). Those were the good days. Maybe it was becuase I was like 13 and didnt have to pay for any of this myself!

Joel White

Melting 1700 sce's with a bump box.Only good for about 3 runs and cost about $90 a 6 cell pack.Gluing foam donuts and truing them with an electric drill.The ex wife used to love that mess in the driveway.GP-10 was my first pan car,with a custom graphite chassis.Called the Ranch Pitstop to find out about rules because i drilled that chassis to lighten it.Thought i was gonna kick butt first time i raced there,ended up in about the "z"main in GTP stock.Went to Whipporwhill in '89.250 entrys in stock,thats after the Thunderdrome with 200 entrys from allover the country.Neil & Peggy McCurdy owned Revtec.Great motors.I ran for B&R from the beginning,but Peggy treated us like we we're family,because everybody knew each other back then.Wish those days we're still here.

Revtec another goodie from the past. I need to find the Revtec box which was something you added to the original Competiton Electronics Turbocharger to double it's discharge capability to a wopping 10amps.

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K&N had almost 345 entries for the winterblast!

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Ah yes, the first of the "through the night races"

How about when:

Protoform and Jaco were the "New Kids on The Block"

Everybody used titanium rear axles

was there for #2 thru #6..............what a Blast that was in it's day.... :tongue: I forgot, had a CAM booster box to go to the line ( still have)

I was around for testing of the first RC speedcontrol...Early 80's (Kevin Orton at the Kansas airport) that things switching was so slow it actually made the gears buzz at slow speed.

12th scale was all we knew, cleveland had stock and mod 12th scale ONLY and filled the program.

Oh yea...What the hell is that noise...64 pitch gears???

was there for #2 thru #6..............what a Blast that was in it's day.... :tongue: I forgot, had a CAM booster box to go to the line ( still have)


george i have too have that caned heat for my rc collection lets talk abought it!!! that what tate got rid of a lot of p 170 s in lol :thumbsup:

Who did build the very first R/C vehicle ever ? Tamiya ? I had a cox dune buggy that you could chase around the yard with a rope.

Wasn't the Lemans motor a Kyosho motor? Remember the Kyosho "SPA" motors? OOOOOOO wet magnets.

Yup, Mura Tiger's Milk...we started with that or just used WD40...:thumbsup:

I think Mike Murphy still has that stuff running thru his veins.

Can you say "Coppertone".Never could figure out why any body would put suntan lotion on tires

When 1400 SCR's were THE BATTERY? 1200SCs in yellow shrink, or the Tamiya pack with the hump.

When 4.5 amps was considered high ampereage? I'm sure it was higher when I connected the suicide cables directly to the car battery. But I remember charging the same pack 5 times during the day for a parking lot race.

There was no such thing as cap tires? I remember the RC Car Action when they talked about them, and I wondered how many more normal tires I should buy.

All the cars were W-I-D-E? My RC10 converted to dirt oval with 84' thunderbird body was wide. Next car was a Bolink Eliminator - wide, then 10L, then 10L with the Oval Master conversion, then 10LSS.

The TRC beam front end was cool? And bending them in a vice for camber adjustment.

The TRC 4-link rear end was cool? don't remember that - but TRC wasn't very popular on the West Coast.

The only traction compound was Paragon? And Big Jim Greenemeyer had his special sauce.

When Narrow cars came out and nobody thought they would work? That was for about 1 week ... then I had to wait months for Associated to release it.

200+ entries was the norm at an Oval Nats? If you did not pre-register you might not get in.[/QUOTE] Driving down to J.R.'s house "NORRCA Office" to drop off the Thunderdrome entries so that I would be sure of a spot (200 miles) on the first day they were accepted.

Classes were "Gearbox" or "Direct Drive." Novice, stock, and modified.

When it took hours to build a RC10 gearbox that would actually spin freely.

45 degree stock motors were the fast setup.

When Joel Johnson won the 2WD Worlds running a Kyosho Ultima. It did not even resemble the kit car.

Hey Flack -- I see you lurking. :D

Speed controls were hooked up with a wire ACROSS THE TOP OF THE FETS?
-how about when they came with 4 wires and you took one of the positive wires out and bridged the motor and battery.

When 1400 SCR's were THE BATTERY?
- LOL, back when sanyo was king! ;)

When 4.5 amps was considered high ampereage?
-and you had to meausre it with an amp meter

There was no such thing as cap tires?
- well there were but you had to buy them one tire at a time and they came staggered and all sorts of business

All the cars were W-I-D-E?
- and that was the along the old lines of "wider is better"... man what were we all thinking!

The TRC beam front end was cool?
-Was that thing ever really cool? :freak:

The TRC 4-link rear end was cool?
- Now we're talkin'!

The only traction compound was Paragon?
- or WD40

When Narrow cars came out and nobody thought they would work?
- Wasn't that when AE had the ad with Clausen and Lett that said "oval is best".



AND FOR MY OWN ADDITION:

Scott Law was the people's chimp. errr. champ!

My first car was a gold tub RC10 with the narrow front end...

My first pan car was a wide fiberglass 10L.....

My first matched pack was a 1200 SCR "pushed" Trinity.....

Electronic esc's "growled" when run at low speeds due to the low switching frequency....

oh boy it was fun back in day funny how things changed big battery voltage no suntan lotion on foams cars that turn and no ugly bbs non wraparound trc caps with wd40 for traction compound

Started with a TRC Lynx then had the first Hyperdrive at the Track H10RS with a beam front end(first new car i had)

1200 batteries with a timed charger (moved up to the Victor way ahead of it time)

Tires were blues or greens so many choices back then, and i can't remember anyone with a tire truer

And some great racing was had , what fun , still had some royal rumballs in the parking lot (not muched changed there)LOL

My first pan car was a wide body bolink. We raced in front of the fire department. We laid hose in an oval to make a track. Lots of fun! My first narrow was a lynx elite. I still have an h10rs. Remember the panaonic purple packs???? 1700's!!!!! After a run, you rotate your left and right tires---that's how you get stagger.

Anybody else do this???---we made our own caps by gluing radiator hose over the top of foams . You got about 50 laps before the caps came off!

I think Mike Murphy still has that stuff running thru his veins.

Don't laugh Law-man, my cholesterol is 129...
I'm curious if anyone used "Teac" (a brand of cleaner for cassette players I believe) as tire traction - we used WD-40, then went to Teac, then Tiger Milk.

Did not ever use Teac. But we tried everything else in the world. I would go to every electronics shop in town to buy a can of each cleaner they had. Also trip to the auto parts stores for brake cleaner in every brand to try. Found some good stuff too. NexGen still make a good cleaner for the caps.

When I started, I had an assc.12E powered with 1000mah GE batteries.
Butch

i raced when there was :

http://www.dansdata.com/images/ta04/spdcont400.jpg

http://sylvain.cachard.free.fr/vente/photos/digipeak.jpg

and this was considered the "hot ticket item"...

http://www.rccaraction.com/images/articles/cotyrc10/6.jpg

oh wait.. its not oval, let me stick a JG kit on it and slap on a late model body.


haha...

-I remember the time before matched cells-you picked them out of a box with the little cardboard divider, assembled them and raced.

-When I started, many used charge coards, (resistance wire), or 15 minute AC/DC chargers. The hot ticket was to drill a hole in the timer's dial and insert a screw to keep the timer on, as 15 minutes wasn't enough to charge a pack. Many forgot and walked away, only to have their battery pack, (or guy pitting next to them) remind them their pack was overcharging!

-I remember when the ESC came out. Prior to that, we ran resistors and wiper arms.

-I also remember when the first RC10 came out, gold tub and all. The first time I saw one run, I couldn't believe how dialed it was...with it's stock rubber knobby tires on carpet.

-Just about the time when we all finally acquired our RC10's, and got them dialed on carpet with Bolink or TRC foam tires, this kid shows up with a Composite Craft Predator, (first 1/10th pan car) and blew us all away...until his graphite front axle broke.

-That's just a few of some really fond (and old) memories...:thumbsup:

I wish someone would get Composite Craft going again.

Anyone else own a Vic-4 Concept 1, designed by Art Carbonnel? (sp)

Anyone else own a Vic-4 Concept 1, designed by Art Carbonnel? (sp)
No, but I saw him and Sean Lue? (I think he was the son of the owner of Vic-4 Hobbies) test the 1/10 and 1/12 car at a huge indoor onroad track in Homestead...I forget the name of the track, but it was big. My folks live in the Keys, and I used to run On-Road at that track whenever I would fly down to visit.
The car used fuel tubing-even on the side shocks, if I remember correctly.

I wish someone would get Composite Craft going again.

Me too- I wish I had a carbon fiber exhaust like Kim had on his Harley- that was the coolest looking/sounding pipes I think I ever heard...:thumbsup: