So I see it has come to pass... a few other manufacturers have or are releasing 13.5 motors...

Here is a quote from Rick Howart about the new orion/Peak 13.5 motor...

"It is a sticky situation. One one hand, we are not in business to release new products that we don't think are better (faster) that what is already out there, but we do not want it to be so much faster that is is outlawed because of a performance advantage."

If I read this right he is saying their 13.5 is made to be a LITTLE faster than the Novak 13.5. I think we can all see were this is heading... at $75 a pop. Let the Brushless motor wars begin

The places I race at are very specific about what motors are legal. The 4300 class is the Novak motor only. Not quite sure where this will go if everyone starts to make motors they claim are similar. Will have to wait and see.

Simple solution. Only allow one brand of motor for a specific series or track. This should be dictated by the racers as we are the ones spending the cheese to buy the motors. I feel that if novak started this thing then lets run novak motors. Till someone invents a dyno that tests the motors at the track to prove equality (and I am sure they will) that this is the only solution!

Before the questions even gets asked, the BRL will be staying exclusively with the Novak 13.5 and 10.5/4300 motors for years to come.

Peak/Orion is a good company but ask yourself when was the last time you ever saw them support any oval events.

I'm all about competition in the marketplace. But I'm more interested in a level playing field [aka BRL]. Novak has definitely gained a huge edge in this brushless thing. The 13.5 and 4300 are "THE" motors that most [probably all] oval tracks in Michigan will stick with.

Dale,
As far as the Dyno thing. I think an inductance meter will tell the difference. That is how they tech the Novak's. Sonny can correct me if I'm wrong here.

Yes please keep it all novak for now. let Rick Howart sell his stuff to the offroad guys! they will love him for it :) but im happy having the novak stuff be legal. like dale said its up to the racers to race what we want. not just buy new stuff every week cause its out there. if someone wants to buy a motor from peak to see if its faster then cool they can practice with it or run it in mod :)

The Novak motors and equip are so reliable and Novak has supported oval so much

You can tech all of them with a meter(kilovolts). Tekin is about to release their speedo's and then their motors will follow. The tekin motors are supposed to be VERY high quality. The technology between the Novak and Tekin will be very different due to not having to have sensors on the Tekin stuff. This is supposed to allow the setup to be more efficient which will allow more gearing, which should result in more speed.

sounds cool for mod racing! but for 4300 that would be a bit unfair i think?

4300 is plenty fast for 95% of the guys racing oval.

If you want faster - go mod. That is probably where the Tekin's will fit in. Just like the faster Novak's and the Reedy motors.

Hello. I have never raced a car with a brushless motor, and our area is just now talking about switching. which motor-esc should we use? we now run stock & 19 turn on a very short oval track. 80-85 laps per 4 minutes. any help would be appreciated.

Hello. I have never raced a car with a brushless motor, and our area is just now talking about switching. which motor-esc should we use? we now run stock & 19 turn on a very short oval track. 80-85 laps per 4 minutes. any help would be appreciated.

charger01,
I would strongly suggest the Novak 13.5 and a Novak GTB ESC. The 13.5 motor runs like a really really good stock motor.

You will not be disappointed.

I don't think you understand....Tekin will have a motor that will be 4300kv ...so the only difference will be Novak runs sensors and Tekin does not.....

You can tech all of them with a meter(kilovolts). Tekin is about to release their speedo's and then their motors will follow. The tekin motors are supposed to be VERY high quality. The technology between the Novak and Tekin will be very different due to not having to have sensors on the Tekin stuff. This is supposed to allow the setup to be more efficient which will allow more gearing, which should result in more speed.

that last sentence if true makes it way diff then the novak 4300 class. all of a sudden somthing like this becomes legal and everyone has to jump to it to be competative. that would suck

Ah. The Motors wars and speedo's will never quit. When we thought we had a good thing. as usual we need to change. Right when the interest in competative racing was really working well, and growing . But being on the same level is never good enough.
And the old saying it is in the settup.is oh so true.But when everyone will need to keep up with the Brushless speedo and motor of the month club. what has been gained. My .02 worth. not much.

Good call Sonny!

As manufacturers are quick to point out; Oval is not a driving force in the RC market so Sonny’s decision will not effect them in any major way. There sales in Off Road and TC’s will far out weigh what they will not sell in Oval.

I hope that all other organizations will see this issue the same way and keep the same uniformity.

Good call Sonny!!! Now if the oval tracks follow suit we'll be set. I would hate to see a good thing ruined by having to buy the BL motor of the wk.

Before the questions even gets asked, the BRL will be staying exclusively with the Novak 13.5 and 4300 motors for years to come.

Ditto for the ORL. :thumbsup:

thank you for that Bill! ORL ROCKS!

that last sentence if true makes it way diff then the novak 4300 class. all of a sudden somthing like this becomes legal and everyone has to jump to it to be competative. that would suck

A 4300kv motor is supposed to be a 4300kv motor...which is techable with an inductance meter ....the statment about being more efficient and more gearing is just speculation at this point.

The ONLY way to keep what we have going and growing is to ONLY allow Novak motors... I know its "not fair" but all the classes are setup for Novak motors and we all run Novak motors so to keep things even and cheap we cant allow Tekins, LRP or Orion/Peaks to run.

A 4300kv motor is supposed to be a 4300kv motor...which is techable with an inductance meter ....the statment about being more efficient and more gearing is just speculation at this point.
Just because two motors are rated at the same Kv, doesn't mean they have the same performance. If the Kt (torque constant) varies, you could put more gear on one or the other and go faster with it.

I along w/ several other clubs and series across the good 'ol US have adopted the BRL rules as guidelines for our B/L classes. By doing this it allows OUR racers to run something with a basic set of rules and will allow them to travel to other areas and race w/o worry about not conforming to the rules and/or having to have too many different setups.

This IS the way to help the growth of OVAL racing in my opinion.

Now, that is NOT to say that a class of TEKIN B/L or PEAK B/L or what ever couldn't be created at some point too, but I think that would just dilute what is starting out as a strong national class structure.

Where this would change in my opinion would be once people are educated enough in the B/L technology to know what and how the motors ratings are designated...and along with that a FIRM Set of SPECS as to how the motors are built.

I believe I've seen a statement from Bob Novak stating something similar about the design specs, etc. If those can/could be strongly controlled w/ all the "LOOP HOLES" removed...and NO Room for Gray Area upgrades, then at some point there will/would be plenty of room for ALL Mfg.s

I hope that all other organizations will see this issue the same way and keep the same uniformity.

BRL has basically set a good standard in Brushless racing, which ARCOR has also adopted, in order to keep the Brushless rules uniform with-in each organization.
This allows racers to compete in at any track running a race by either organization rules. The simple word is conformity. My personal opinion is based on one of the founding reasons for creating ARCOR, to allow racers one set of class rules that work from track to track and State to State. ARCOR has no intention of allowing any brushless motors in it's 4300 and 13.5 classes other than NOVAK motors. In as much, Sonny and I have no control over what individual tracks will start allowing, due to racers wanting to try the "latest and greatest". IF the tracks and racers follow the class rules as set up by BRL and ARCOR, then brushless will continue to grow. As soon as racers and tracks diviate from these standards and start running whatever is available, we will again be in the same situtation we are now in with brushed racing, TRACK CLASSES, with rules that only suit one class and one track.

Stick to your guns Sonny! One motor (Novak) keep this thing growing!!!!!!!

To say all BL4300 will run the same from different manuf would be like saying all 27T stock motors run the same which they dont.
Keep the novak motors. Limiting competition is never good but you have to draw the line somewhere if you want oval to grow.

Keep 13.5 and 10.5 as Novak motors. Anything else can be run in open mod brushless IMHO.

How many of you can afford to buy all the latest bells and whistles that come out?there needs to be a even playing field for all who races. unlike the factory team racers i myself race out of my own pocket which means i always cant get the latest when released so having a motor war or speedo war will hender what we all already have.

The motor/esc wars will ONLY start if the promotors AND racers permit it. I personally think the Novak deserves some loyalty for all their support of Oval racing over the years AND most racers have gone in that direction (MOST NOT ALL) so I am sticking with Novak and will NOT race at a track that allows other brands. That MAY change if it can be proved in some simple TECH procedure that motors are all EQUAL. MY .02 RAlf

Whats this 13.5 extreme sport motor ? I'd hope they'd only market the new style with the ribbed can and sintered rotor.