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Since AE was bought out by Thunder Tiger my LHS can't get pan car parts from associated. What gives?

I know alot of the parts where on Backorder due to them Moving to Japan, but most the parts my hobbyshop now has back in stock... I never heard anything about them not making a L4 anymore.

Thanks. My LHS told me that they broke a mold for the front end, and that oval racing is about dead so go get a touring car!

one more thing. if AE is still making pan cars, is an L5 in the works?

with Thunder Tiger owning them now probly not.....

one more thing. if AE is still making pan cars, is an L5 in the works?

SILVA CONCEPTS

Thanks. My LHS told me that they broke a mold for the front end, and that oval racing is about dead so go get a touring car!


Broken molds, oval dead!

Guess your talking to the wrong people, just raced at Marshall's this past weekend 24 heats of oval, so not quite dead.

dont forget there's and most other 12th scales use the same front end as well.. so they would have to discontinue them as well..

cant wait for irs lower arms.. get some crc uppers, and a set of aluminum caster blocks, and we can still race.. I would think there front end parts have to be one of there better selling pan car parts..

hey there:this may be off topic some what,but with AE now releasing a 1/8th nitro buggy what will happen to TTR and their 1/8th nitro buggy and truggy? thanks for the info :)

...The largest race in the world is the Snowbirds...and there is always more entries for oval than On-Road...:cool:

Gee. Maybe it's time for a new Frontend this one been out since 1992.

I don't care if ROAR does say it can only be a three shock car.
Times have changed keep the "T" bar and make a new frontend with shocks.

Crow, another voice heard from the sidelines. See ya in a couple weeks at the spectacular.

On my front end the only assoc parts are the lower a ram and the upper pivot housing. When dave gets his lower done, I will have that, nice looking piece.

Also read some where, someone else, Murdock or Lefthander, or someone is doing a new front end. It was suppose to be something like the old TRC from end.

irs will have a lower arm soon
crc makes the best upper arm
and hyperdrive will have a complete front end out very soon.
plus the new murdock front end.
who needs japanese parts anyway?

CRC is also working on a 1/10th frontend.

Don't forget Raceways aluminum ft end.My choice for drome racing.More castor adjustments also.

Katf1sh, I couldn't agree with you more. Too many companies are moving overseas just so we can save $0.15 on the bottom line. It is a sad day when AE (which if you remember used to advertise the original rc10 as "the import fighter" ) sells out to a foreign company. When I have kids their three choices for employment are going to be Wendy's, Burger King, and McDonald's!

Katf1sh, I couldn't agree with you more. Too many companies are moving overseas just so we can save $0.15 on the bottom line. It is a sad day when AE (which if you remember used to advertise the original rc10 as "the import fighter" ) sells out to a foreign company. When I have kids their three choices for employment are going to be Wendy's, Burger King, and McDonald's!

Consumers are the ones who drive it. Hopefully you aren't shopping at Walmart and are choosing the products you purchase based on quality.

Wal-Mart ? Never heard of it! seriously though, this country needs to wake up. our products are not inferior to those overseas. It's a mindset that some folks have. Also, some people will sell their souls to save a little cash. I can rest easy at night knowing that I did not sell out my country, and that I did not desicrate the memory of the brave souls who gave all to give me a chance at life in the good ol' USA. Before you go telling me that I am wrong, please remember I am 25, I drive a 1968 Dodge Charger R/t (just try finding a jap part on that one!), and I believe that this country needs a few more people to take pride in it.

Not sure Thunder Tiger's motives, but a majority of businesses move into foreign areas. For instance the company I work for has 10 domestic plants with 2 foreign joint ventures in Shanghai and Thailand. Any form of expansion is going to be overseas due to cheap labor and less regulatory measures. The Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002 gives me job security as an Internal Auditor, because our Domestic locations have to be in compliance for the SEC. Europe, Asia, etc have not such Act. Therefore costs related to keeping in compliance is less.

erock1331, Don't believe that act you have been told about. I thought the samething when my company move to China. I was told that the NorthAmerican Free Trade Act. would take care of all the workers that were displaced. We were told that schooling would be available, people would be there to help us find jobs. Don't worry about Medical insurance. COBRA will be there to help for a small amount.

It was all BULL.
I was handed a check that finnished of my years salary.
Went to the unemployment office and asked for placement help. I was shown the computer and told to get on monster.com.
COBRA Medical Insurance. SURE! How about $1,000.00 a month. There went the Check they gave me.
School. Sorry! You didn't make the dead line for sign-up. We sent up a packet in the mail. The packet was send to another person with the same last name and first initial. Oh! Yea! Thanks to my H.R. Manager that got screwed-up.
Some of the people that got into school couldn't finnish. The NAFTA ran out of money so they were told to finnish they would have to pay.
I worked for the same company for 27yrs through Layoffs, Mergers,and Buyouts.
So the next time you see someone answering a cellphone or playing the "Xbox" game. Tell them the company that builds it put 6,000 plus American workers out of a job.
Oh! The Company has a place in Religh NC. it's called Flextronics.
erock1331, Nothing is a surething when it comes to their money.
Ask my EXCEO he's living in China. Because he has a Class action suit againist him.

Wal-Mart ? Never heard of it! seriously though, this country needs to wake up. our products are not inferior to those overseas. It's a mindset that some folks have. Also, some people will sell their souls to save a little cash. I can rest easy at night knowing that I did not sell out my country, and that I did not desicrate the memory of the brave souls who gave all to give me a chance at life in the good ol' USA. Before you go telling me that I am wrong, please remember I am 25, I drive a 1968 Dodge Charger R/t (just try finding a jap part on that one!), and I believe that this country needs a few more people to take pride in it.

I don't think most people think stuff made in the USA is inferior in quality. Except for American cars, which frankly are inferior to their Japanese counterparts. But some of the reason they are inferior is that even the ones that are still assembled in America are built primarily of cheap far East (China, not Japan) parts. Japanese cars for the most part are made with higher quality parts that are made near where the assembly plants are, many in the USA.

Unfortunately people are pretty naive to the realities of business. Just because something is made by an "American" company doesn't mean much. It isn't really the fault of businesses, not counting the American auto industry who we should have no sympathy for. Other businesses though have to do what they have to do to compete. We can really only blame ourselves for being a throw away society that buys junk to save a buck then throws it away when it breaks and buys more junk with our credit cards.

We could also blame the government for their absolute refusal to level the playing field back when they still could have. At this point it is too late to stop it, the ball is rolling downhill too fast. People will just have to wait it out. The labor costs in China will not stay this low forever and transportation costs to ship crap over here will continue to rise. Eventually the balance will swing back.

"....Swing back". NOT any time soon IMHO.

"soon" is a relative term. Maybe a decade?

Flextronics, that's funny cause after they closed the place in NJ we had a ton of their employees come knock on our door.

Scarecrow PM me.

Walter

I have heard this time and time again, " my Honda/toyota is made in the united states so it is okay." So let me get this straight, these companies have plants in the states for OUR benefit? The only ones that benefit are the poor saps who work there! where do you think all the profits go? Not only that, but Toyota is running an ad campaign that tells all about the 200,000 or so jobs it has created here although nothing is said about the Millions they took away from hard working folks. And the sad thing is we seem to have a sheep mentality about the whole thing. we believe whatever we are told and never question what we think we know. Are their cars superior? NO WAY! Now, before all you people who read consumer reports tell me how wrong I am let me tell you that I work in the collision industry and have the privelidge of seeing how these things are screwed together. If you dont believe me, go to your local wrecking yard and have a look around at the cars in there. It will speak volumes.

erock1331, Don't believe that act you have been told about. .

Do you mean the Sarbanes Oxley Act that I mentioned?

This is indeed a true act in the US. Matter of fact about 50% of my current job tasks are in efforts to keep my company in compliance. Any publicly traded company in the US has to comply.

What is does is holds the Executives (CEO, CFO, etc) accountable for Internal Controls over the Company's Financial Statements. The act was established back in 2002 to help prevent collapses like the Enron's and Worldcom's of the world.

Right now, overseas companies do not have to comply with this law. I was just listing this as an example as to why a US company would want to do business overseas (one way to reduce costs). If a US company does "own" an overseas subsidiary then that plant location must conform to the Sarbanes rules. But if it's a joint venture, the overseas joint venture does not have to comply.

In no way am I condoning moving a company overseas. But when it does happen the truth is they are just trying to reduce costs and make more money.

Heck in a round about way that Sarbanes Act actually cost me my old job cause my company was bought out by a privately held company and planned to turn my publicly traded company back to private. Therefore they would not have to comply with the Act so there was no need to have Internal Auditor on staff. Hence I got the axe.

Flextronics, that's funny cause after they closed the place in NJ we had a ton of their employees come knock on our door.

Scarecrow PM me.

Walter

Did the samething in Colorado too....


Eric Dimmick
Darkside Motorsports
Still Proudly Made in USA!

erock 1331, Not saying the new act does not work, because along with myself and the rest of the people that worked for Flex were all out of a job by July of 2002.
Thats why the new Act was created, the rest of us got the shaft from the NAFTA.
Also why the Class action suit and CEO living in China high off the hog on my IRA and retirement money.

As I said keep up the good work, but watch your back.

Hope to see you at a racetrack soon.

From what I have heard there are no plans to discontinue the L4.


Zig

From what I have heard there are no plans to discontinue the L4.


Zig

Nope...In fact I hear the Zig edition is coming out soon :thumbsup:

EA

As far as Associated discontinuing the L4 I doubt it. I just sent them hubs and axles for the kits. :thumbsup:

Dave Irrgang