View Full Version : TOS and "state of the art" f/x....


Warped9
02-23-2007, 04:18 PM
In its day Star Trek had "state of the art" f/x...for television. That is to say that considering the constraints in time and budget of '60s television series production it gave the very best that was possible.

But that isn't to say that Star Trek had the very best f/x available for the screen. But to acheive that it would have had to have the impossible for series tv--it would had to have had the time, budget and resources more in keeping with a feature film. And that would had to have been for nearly every episode, or at least for the most f/x laden episodes. That simply was never going to happen.

But...what if by some magical fantasy Star Trek had had access to a feature film's resources? What might have been possible? It's easy today to imagine what a contemporary series might acheive simply because we have contemporary feature film examples readily at hand. Today we know that practically anything imagined can be conjured up with today's sophisticated f/x resourecs. But back in the 1960s one was limited by the resources available...and the imagination of those at the time.

I believe the real key to pondering what Star Trek might have given us if the best of means had been available is to try to see through the eyes of those who were there. What possibilities might have occured to those looking out onto the world of the 1960s and without benefit of what we know today?

We know that many ideas put forth were eventually dismissed or in the very least scaled back because of budgetary and scheduling constraints. Matt Jefferies' original shuttlecraft design was changed for something more cost effective for example. The interiors of the Enterprise were more bare and austere than they might otherwise have preferred. Certain sets or planetscapes were simplified or scaled back. Many aliens had to go without more exotic make-up and costuming. We didn't get to see as many differing ship designs as likely had been desired.

Still, Star Trek's fx stood up very well for many years and likely longer than had been expected. Those original fx had been intended for televisions lacking the resolutions of today's TVs. It is really only during these past years of digital enhancement that we are really seeing the "strings and seams" of TOS' fx. Indeed, even by today's standards I think TOS' transporter beam f/x remains one of the very best ever done in the visual medium.

Can we imagine a clearer picture of what Star Trek might have looked like under better conditions? I thinks so. I think you only have to look at contemporary '60s and even '50s feature films to have at least an inkling of what could have been done.

In terms of visualizing spacescapes and planets you need look no further than 1968's 2001: A Space Oddysey and 1955's Forbidden Planet (Note: anyone who's seen the dvd of FP already knows of the gorgeous unused space and planetary shots). 2001 is more realistic yet FP is more stylistic. I think that based on what Star Trek gave us then under the best of conditions it could have had a look somewhere between realistic and stylistic. In terms of hardware in space I think Star Trek would still have looked futuristically sleek yet would have had something of the lighting and texturing more akin to 2001. In terms of make-up a good indication of what might have been possible are the early scenes of 2001 (the primitive apes scenes) and 1968's Planet Of The Apes.

I'm sure there are other feature film examples of the era which I'm overlooking. Fantastic Voyage for example.

Suffice to say that when I look at those films I find it hard to credit that Star Trek would look like CBS' TOS-R. That isn't to slam what CBS is currently doing, but just to say that Star Trek wouldn't have looked that way if things had been magically different.

Recently I've been playing with images and screencaps to try to capture what Star Trek might have looked like under the best of conditions. When I can I'll post them here for comment. I'd like to add that I'm trying to go a bit beyond some of my "Never seen TOS scenes" images.

Any thoughts?

justinleighty
02-23-2007, 04:38 PM
Interesting thought process there. I'll have to think on that a while. I'm interested to see what you come up with stylistically/visually.

ilbasso
02-23-2007, 05:39 PM
In this speculation, you must also take into consideration the capabilities of the TV sets of the time, which were not only low-def but also receiving transmissions via rabbit-ear antennas. Even with the best TV's in 1965, you wouldn't have noticed half of the flaws and inconsistencies that pop out at us now - and we had no VCR's back then to go back and slo-mo through scenes to pick them apart.

Watching fight scenes on my 42" plasma TV now, I laugh at how Kirk and Spock's stunt doubles look almost nothing like them and how obvious it is that they aren't the real actors, but I don't recall ever noticing that on my 19" TV back in 1966.

Some effects (e.g., the rear view of the AMT Constellation in Doomsday Machine) were pretty cheesy even on the old TV's, but I think that Paramount was getting close to the point of diminishing returns on the cost of improving the sfx versus what most of the audience would have been able to notice. And ultimately of course, the best special effects in the world can't cover up for characters you don't care about or poor stories.

BEBruns
02-23-2007, 08:54 PM
Watching fight scenes on my 42" plasma TV now, I laugh at how Kirk and Spock's stunt doubles look almost nothing like them and how obvious it is that they aren't the real actors, but I don't recall ever noticing that on my 19" TV back in 1966.
While watching "Amok Time" last week, I couldn't help noticing that during the final fight scene, Spock seemed to gain and lose 20 pounds from shot to shot. A side effect of Pon Far I guess.

Warped9
02-23-2007, 09:12 PM
This speculation is based on the idea that TOS' f/x under the best of circumstances would be on par with those of the likes of 2001 and thus would still look good today with very little enhancement. Watch the restored 2001 today and it still looks amazing. Ditto with much of Forbidden Planet and that's even older.

Some quick samples:

2001 and a conjectural Star Trek.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Warped9/ENSC1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Warped9/ENSC4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Warped9/TOS-EN6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Warped9/TOS-EN7.jpg

Forbidden Planet and conjectural Star Trek.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Warped9/FPSC-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Warped9/FPSC-7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Warped9/TOS-EN4.jpg

Old_McDonald
02-24-2007, 01:03 PM
Let's also remember that Gene Roddenberry had very little budget and time for FX shots. Not sure if even the film they were using was fine or medium grain.

ps. in 1965 - my family had a black and white tv. Oh those subtle shades of gray

Warped9
03-03-2007, 12:17 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Warped9/TOS-EN9.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Warped9/TOS-EN8.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Warped9/TOS-EN10.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Warped9/TOS-EN11.jpg

I just had to add some lighting to the D7 because it was just too static as is. However, I did refrain from adding any suggestion of plating effect that was seen in DS9's T&T--I just couldn't stand that. I think the TOS ships hold up very well as is and that all they really need is a more dramatic sense of lighting to show off well in more of a feature film style of photography as opposed to low resolution '60s television.

Warped9
03-05-2007, 09:33 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Warped9/TOS-EN12.jpg

Griffworks
03-05-2007, 10:24 AM
Sweet job on those! :thumbsup: