No Galaughtica thread? I'll start one for a change.

I didn't like last weeks episode either. Other than a few exterior shots of the ship, it could have been a hospital soap opera.
I liked it last year, but I find it a boring date now. let's just be friends.

In other news;
SciFi Channel and NBC Universal are expected to announce Tuesday that "Battlestar Galactica" has been picked up for a fourth season, news that has been rumored for months.
However, don't expect the series to return to the fall lineup.

The Los Angeles Times is reporting that the network will order at least 13 episodes (likely 20, according to industry sources) of the show to begin broadcasting in January.
The move comes despite lower-than-expected ratings, even after the show
moved to Sundays last month. While SciFi Channel officials confirmed the show
is its most expensive to produce, money lost in viewership are offset by strong DVD sales where more than 1 million copies have been sold.

Lower-than-expected ratings? Well how about some sci-fi?!

Agreed, we need some action after the rousing conclusion to the new Caprica arc.

Like the Starbuck/Apollo thing, I think they're overdoing the Helo is noble idea. We get it, let's get on with it already!

"Executive producers Ronald D. Moore and David Eick spent last weekend in Las Vegas hashing out main story arcs for Season Four."

Now we know here their heads are at. Girls and Gambling.

Last week's episode's OK. The biggest thing that ticked me off was what they didn't show. The deleted scene should not have been deleted. Not unless they're not going to touch up the repercussions of Helo telling Adama he's responsible for killing the infected Cylons ever again.

It just sucked. Filler. Pointless. I'm tired of watching. Such a shame. I had high hopes. I don't want to miss anything good so I tune in each week. What are they thinking???

Sci-fi channel cancelled Stargate. Now BG is the most expensive show they have. They'll let it go too.

Sci-fi channel cancelled Stargate. Now BG is the most expensive show they have. They'll let it go too.

Concur.

13 episodes for the 4th season down from 20 for the last two; not a good sign. I don't expect to see a 5th season.

John O.

HA! A few weeks ago I made the following comment;
Next week on Battlestar Galactica;
Jerry dates a woman with issues
Elaine gets stuck in an airlock
George loses his helmet
and
Kramer rants against Cylons.

This week Adama has a date with an issue;she's a dead drunk.
Chief and his wife are in an airlock without helmets,
and Lee rants about Cylons.

What do I win?

Next week on BG
Super bimbo alien dancing chicks.

Concur.

13 episodes for the 4th season down from 20 for the last two; not a good sign. I don't expect to see a 5th season.

John O.

I'm not willing to write it off as a bad thing. The past two seasons have received their share of criticism for having too much filler compared to Season 1. Maybe they're just tightening things up again. Also, there is the supposed DVD movie, I imagine that's taking some time and resources as well.

The past two seasons have received their share of criticism for having too much filler compared to Season 1.

As far as I know, the only crit has come from fan-boys who aren't getting enough ESB (Epic Space Battles). I like the show just like it is and I find the balance of character stuff a welcome change from typical sci-fi alien/ESB-of-the-week.

John O.

I liked last nights episode, Olmos and McDonnel were very good, and I thought the suitless EVA sequence was pretty well done.

Every show has slumps and is able to make comebacks.

The typical TV season used to be 26 episodes (1/2 of a 52 week year).
Of a typical 26 episodes of any Star Trek - really only about 10 were worth talking about. Thats almost a third of the episodes.

You guys are complaining because EVERY episode hasn't knocked your socks off.

When you break down this show into a 26 episode season, they've only really done something like two seasons, and of those probably 8 out of 10 episodes are pretty darn good - and probably 9 out of 10 are better than any Star Trek or any other sci-fi show.

Me-thinks, some people out there have gotten pretty spoiled by this show, by how good its been, and are too quick to turn on it when its having a little bit of a slump.

Yes, I've been spoiled. I do think the show has had a lull lately. I do want some ESB's. I am tired of Starbuck and Apollo's take on "Moonlighting". I think Olmos and McDonnel are outstanding. I do have every episode on TIVO this year so far, saving them for a friend in Baghdad. I'm also getting tired of 24, but for totally different reasons, none of which are the lack of ESB's.
I did like the airlock episode, very well done.

This airlock episode strained my WSD (willing suspension of disbelief). C'mon, it was a small, easily-blocked leak. And, you're going to tell me they had no way to feed some more air in there? The colonials have faster-than-light drive, but no armor-piercing ammo, or shaped charges?

And of course no one could go outside in a spacesuit and weld up the hole.

I was wondering why they didn't just send a crew outside and fix it from there? At least the chief could have found something more solid to place over the leak other than a thin sheet of rubber...there was a lot of junk in there that might have been better. Then the hole gets bigger? I guess the air was eating away at the metal hull plate as it escaped (huh?)...and so he stuffs a rag in it.

"Your Viper has a hole in it? ...Let me grab a rag! There. Fixed!"

And of course no one could go outside in a spacesuit and weld up the hole.

I was thinking the same thing. Why no EVA crew working from the other side to patch it up? If our ISS astronauts can do it, surely the Galactica crew can handle it.

Next week the maintenance crew go on strike.

If you watch it carefully, they show that the 'leak" doesn't open into open space, there's some kind of wall or big tubing visible inside the hole. And they state a couple of times that area of the ship has been structurally damaged and compromised.

Has BSG been on long enough that we can start to question the inertial dampening fields and warp flux capacitors?

As far as I know, the only crit has come from fan-boys who aren't getting enough ESB (Epic Space Battles). I like the show just like it is and I find the balance of character stuff a welcome change from typical sci-fi alien/ESB-of-the-week.

John O.

I couldn't ditto you enough.

They showed a view from the outside and gas was streaming out from the hull. That's pretty much outside.

Even in Lost in Space they had ready made plugs to stop leaks.

The answer, I guess then, is yes.

If you watch it carefully, they show that the 'leak" doesn't open into open space, there's some kind of wall or big tubing visible inside the hole. And they state a couple of times that area of the ship has been structurally damaged and compromised.
They could have written the leak(s) as hard to find, and/or fix. Even so, they should have been able to blast a hole in a bulkhead, to get them some air. It's a battleship; they've got that stuff.

This reminds me of an episode of Lost in Space. The ship launches, as the planet blows up. John says to Don "we're losing pressure". Don picks up a plate, and plugs the leak. Done.

P.S.: I see TerryR beat me to the Lost in Space point!

they should have been able to blast a hole in a bulkhead, to get them some air. It's a battleship; they've got that stuff.

They covered that. Anything they had that could blow the bulkhead would also kill anyone in the airlock.


Don picks up a plate, and plugs the leak. Done.

Ya, and the cheif tried to patch it and it didn't work. I work on cranky old cars a lot and I totally get that. Anything worth fixing probably needs fixing again ...especially if it's old and beat up. I think that was a point that kinda slipped by; the whole reason the leak started in the first place was that the area around the airlock sustained a lot of structural damage.

John O.

Just because a fan of Sci-fi wants "space battles" doesn't mean he in turn, doesn't like good drama! I've just not seen much of either lately. But, the first week I don't tune in, something great will happen. So I will bear with it. There are too many facinating things that could happen.

The "space battles" have been about the best thing to watch above any other aspect of the show. The back storys seem muddled, unimportant, and hard to follow. The main story barely moves forward week to week. These last 3 episodes have been mind numbing! I bet the trial of Baltar goes on for an entire season!!

I'm interested to ask those who enjoy this season; How does Adama's dead wife advance the story? I'm really curious which stoylines other fans find interesting? I mean, if they can't write compelling "space soap" bring on the "space battles" At least they do that well!!!

Has BSG been on so long there are bsg-ies that worship anything bsg?

It is on the sci-fi channel after all, not abc.

How does Adama's dead wife advance the story?

How did Spock's parents advance the story?

How did the visit of Londo's three wives (Disease, Pestilence and Death) advance the story?

How do flashbacks of any character's life of any TV show advance the story?

Uh, she adds depth, texture, conflict, internal struggle to Adama's character.

I agree that this season doesn't seem as "must-see" as the first 2, but I still never miss it. :thumbsup:

(toyroy quote): "...they should have been able to blast a hole in a bulkhead, to get them some air. It's a battleship; they've got that stuff..."

They covered that. Anything they had that could blow the bulkhead would also kill anyone in the airlock...

The discussion you mention was about the glass in the control booth. But, they couldn't blow a hole in a metal bulkhead? Again, don't trifle with my WSD.

(toyroy quote): "...Don picks up a plate, and plugs the leak. Done..."

...Ya, and the cheif tried to patch it and it didn't work. I work on cranky old cars a lot and I totally get that. Anything worth fixing probably needs fixing again ...especially if it's old and beat up. I think that was a point that kinda slipped by; the whole reason the leak started in the first place was that the area around the airlock sustained a lot of structural damage...
We're not talking about the hydrodynamics of torque converters here, we're talking about a hole in a wall.

If this story didn't affront your WSD, OK. It seems to me, that Moore & Co. went out of their way to do just that, for some reason. I hope this doesn't portend the need for even greater stretches of credulity.

...she adds depth, texture, conflict, internal struggle to Adama's character...
Not to mention, she was Apollo's mom. D'oh! :drunk:

If you followed the story, as it has been presented, Adama left his first wife and his upward climb in command seemed to come from connections built thru his 2nd wife. (I don't care about that, either) Now they made Apollo a simpering wimp and Starbuck is a frakin' weirdo. Oh, and Apollo gets to head a investigative group? How funny. "Give me the book Dadama, I'll study up on it." I don't know why the chief is the center of attention now! Seems a minor character to me! I'm not stupid. or overly critical. I watch Sci-fi and suspend belief. I want to like it.

Ya know, whatever. How can I be so out of touch with my fellow Sci-fi fans? If you guys are diggin' this season, more power to you. I'm just trying to say...I don't know. I WANT SO MUCH MORE!

I don't know why the chief is the center of attention now! Seems a minor character to me!

Its called an 'ensamble cast'.

I love the fact (and I'm sure those actors do as well) that they explore those 'so called' minor charactors.

Well, even at it's worst, BSG still doesn't suck as badly as any incarnation of Star Trek at it's worst.

Just because a fan of Sci-fi wants "space battles" doesn't mean he in turn, doesn't like good drama! I've just not seen much of either lately. But, the first week I don't tune in, something great will happen. So I will bear with it. There are too many facinating things that could happen.

The "space battles" have been about the best thing to watch above any other aspect of the show. The back storys seem muddled, unimportant, and hard to follow. The main story barely moves forward week to week. These last 3 episodes have been mind numbing! I bet the trial of Baltar goes on for an entire season!!


I'm right there with you.
Loved season 1.
Thought 2 was ok but was hoping they would work the kinks out.
Season 3 so far has been kind of bland with only a few flashes of briliance.

I too enjoy the battles, but don't think they need to be all the show is about. But lately it has seemed more like a soap opera than a scifi show.
Too much character developement.
Or should I say too much sloppy and overdone character development that either goes nowhere or is trumped by the latest twist on the character.
The ones that were once interesting to me now make me cringe when they take center stage yet again.

I'm not ready to write the show off yet, but it is become more and more a chore to watch.

even greater stretches of credulity Ummm ...it's a TV show with robots that look like hot chicks. Relax a little. I too had thoughts that the overall show might go in some different directions than it has**, but I'm not the one telling the story. It's their turn; let's just see what they have to say with the material and then we can sort it out when everything is done.

**I kinda thought they were going to have the Cylons use biological material in the same way we use machines. Starbuck's Raider was built that way, but they really never went back to it. I imagined "The Plan" would slowly be revealed as the answer to what had happened to all the people on the colonies who were left behind: their bodies were hauled away, shreded down into their basic biological components, and used to build more Raiders, Basestars, human-form Cylons, etc. I thought there might be a neat illusion there to both Lexx and Soylent Green - ya know, "number six is people!!!" with the Cylons essentially consuming us as we would iron ore or any other raw material.

John O.

BTW, it occurred to me, that Adama's dead wife might be a clue. Maybe a "6-type chip" in his brain. Meaning he may be a cylon!...No? Well, maybe. Trying hard to find something in this episode. We'll see what happens next week!!

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Ummm ...it's a TV show with robots that look like hot chicks...let's just see what they have to say with the material and then we can sort it out when everything is done...
OK, but if the credulity stretches get to the Lost in Space level, I'm not buying a Galactica model. ;)

It is becoming LIS. Just like Smith, Baltar always creates trouble but doesn't get punished. Adama is always saying "Baltar, I oughta..." . They landed on a planet a few times and always had alien visitor trouble, and the last few episodes Mom and Judy are doing the wash.
They're trying to find earth, and baltar hangs out with a robot. If there's a giant talking carrot, I'm outa there.

Ha, funny! LIS, at least you knew where they were coming from. Still, a nutty, fun show IMO! Land of the Giants kinda that way too!

It is becoming LIS. Just like Smith, Baltar always creates trouble but doesn't get punished. Adama is always saying "Baltar, I oughta..." . They landed on a planet a few times and always had alien visitor trouble, and the last few episodes Mom and Judy are doing the wash.
They're trying to find earth, and baltar hangs out with a robot. If there's a giant talking carrot, I'm outa there.
D'oh! Me so abstractarded. :drunk:

It is an airlock, afterall.
Why didn't they just dock a ship and have the Chief walk through?

O.K. It was damaged, but after the charges blew out the door,
they would have been inside another ship!

Nit-pick:
Since most of the atmosphere was gone, there would not have been
much force to blow the doors out. It was a small area.

This season started off with promise, but I'm starting to feel like Charlie Brown trying to kit the football. Since the mid season return the marketing promises something important will happen, and every week nothing does.

Mostly, I'm just irritated that they moved it to Sunday night.

The biggest concern I have for the show is that its initial success will spell its demise. Early on, it was just a show on SciFi and as such they were able to tell the story they wanted. Once it was a hit, NBC noticed, which means only one thing... the dreaded invisible hand of the uncredited Network Executives ("we have notes...")

My guess would be that's why they moved the show from Friday, where it had no competition, to Sunday night prime time where it has to compete with shows like Family Guy. The aformentioned expense of the show is probably also why there have been little to no FX shots in the last few episodes.

I don't know if one of the producers is getting divorced or having an affair, but enough already with the marital problems episodes. There is a vast difference between drama coming from relationship problems (soap opera) and drama coming from moral/philosophical differences (for example, the Spock vs McCoy debates).

I'm willing to give a a chance for a little longer, but if the show is going to turn into another Sunday night melodrama (Desperate Battlestar's Anatomy?) I'm done.

i'd love to see Baltar as a giant stalk of celery . maybe a couple of lighter in mood eps would be a nice break .
still enjoying it for what it's worth though .
hb

It's a strike, not a home run. A maintenance strike, that is. I saw an ad.

Good idea. STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE!

I already pointed that out (maintenance strike) many posts ago.

Someone make a note of that.