Holy toledo...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/LavianoTS386/tile.jpg

http://trekweb.com/articles/2007/02/07/First-Images-from-The-Doomsday-Machine.shtml

More available here: http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/features/bst/article/28135.html

Nice. Daddy like.

Cool!

That is one of my faves of all time! When it gonna air so I can set my VCR?

That is one of my faves of all time! When it gonna air so I can set my VCR?

This weekend.

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/25835.html

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/25835.html?page=1

Not in my area. Dangit. Looks darn good.

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Didn't look close enough, it's on at 1 AM. Reception sucks but it'll do.

This looks like one I'll commit to DVD-R!!

Mmmm. Think I'm going to like this episode, but I'm not sure what to think about the look of the planet killer. I kind of liked the original version...

Just found a comment by David Rossi (the producer of the remasterd eps), who says this about the new planet killer:

"We wanted to honor the original concept, and in fact, we researched some original story notes in which [writer] Norman Spinrad described the planet killer as bristling with weapons. At the same time, we wanted to retain as much of the original model design as possible. We gave the new planet killer a texture reminiscent of hammered titanium and solid lava, trying to indicate that the surface of the machine had been pounded by untold arsenals over the aeons."

Guess I'll have to wait and see...

Brad.

This... I like!

OMG!

THIS is gonna kick some!

Those shots of the Planet Killer on the StarTrek.com website look awesome!

This... I like!

That one is my desktop right now.

The Constellation looks like a Constitution-class starship, rather than a badly-photographed AMT model of a Constitution-class starship.

That one is my desktop right now.

The Constellation looks like a Constitution-class starship, rather than a badly-photographed AMT model of a Constitution-class starship.

Did you find a higher res version?

After several episodes and spending all that time and money, they still have the colors wrong on the deflector dish and the forward-facing section of the secondary hull right behind it. :rolleyes:

Does anyone know if these are airing in Canada? Like, I really NEED to see these!!!

Huzz

Ah ha!!!

WCVB out of Boston airs it here on Saturday night at 8:30 on channel 7!!

Rob (CCBor) you listening?!!!

Huzz

Well, it looks like they've given up any pretense of trying to make these new effects look like something that could have been done in the 60's. I hate to say this, but I think they've overdone it here. These shots look like the type of CGI we were getting in Enterprise, not footage filmed in the 60's. I think the Star Trek Enhanced (http://www.betafive.com/TREKENHANCED/VFXonly.html) proof of concept demo created by Daren Dochterman in 2003 is much more in the spirit of TOS.

That's not to say I won't watch this, and will probably be entertained. The Doomsday Machine is my all-time favorite episode of TOS. I bought a copy of the script from Lincoln Enterprises back in the 70's. I recorded the audio off the TV onto cassette tape and would listen to the episode over and over again. I bought the episode on VHS and laserdisc, then the DVD set.

And has Sol Kaplan's score for The Doomsday Machine ever been surpassed?

Shawn Marshall
Portland, Oregon

Did you find a higher res version?

Just the one in the slideshow at startrek.com. It's a bit fuzzy for a desktop-sized image, but not bad.

It's apparent from the screen caps that this episode overtly (and totally) abandons the previous practice of re-doing the SPFX to match the original visuals frame-by-frame. If it proves to be *very* popular, I wonder if they'll re-do the effects for "Balance of Terror."

It's apparent from the screen caps that this episode overtly (and totally) abandons the previous practice of re-doing the SPFX to match the original visuals frame-by-frame. If it proves to be *very* popular, I wonder if they'll re-do the effects for "Balance of Terror."

Okuda has said they intend to go back and fix problems when they have time (and has given the impression that they intend to re-render the early episodes with the newer Connie mesh), so it wouldn't surprise me. Even BoT strayed from the principle somewhat. I still want to see them replace that tactical map. :drunk:

Well, it looks like they've given up any pretense of trying to make these new effects look like something that could have been done in the 60's. I hate to say this, but I think they've overdone it here. These shots look like the type of CGI we were getting in Enterprise, not footage filmed in the 60's.It's apparent from the screen caps that this episode overtly (and totally) abandons the previous practice of re-doing the SPFX to match the original visuals frame-by-frame.I missed a couple of weeks, but while watching the remastered Journey to Babel both of these thoughts occurred to me. Not only are the revised scenes very obvious and clearly don't match the rest of the footage, but the effects crew has done far more than simply duplicate the original effects shots with CGI versions. Also, to me, the new effects still look too much like a video game, and they still have minor details on the Enterprise wrong.

One thing I don't get - wouldn't a planet-carving, Borg-killing weapon (don't know if that's ST canon or not but it made for a great story) blow a hole clean thru the hull of a (relatively) little ol' starship? The scorched plating and exposed framework is neat but less than 'realistic' given the DM's specs. Looks to me like the CGI guys did it just cuz they could, but entire chunks of missing ship would look more impressive. imo

EDIT:

On second thought...this occured to me as a kid watching TOS...if the beam cuts chunks out of a freakin' planet, shouldn't a FLEET of starships, in tight formation, be wiped in one shot? Not trying to read too much into pure sci-fi but I do prefer my fictions to at least try to be internally consistent. :)

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing - whjy did it only blow away the hull plating, and leave so much structure merely slightly frazzled.

Same here. The framework should be twisted up like a denubian slime pretzel.

A few thoughts on the relative intactness of the Constellation:

1) The planet killer doesn't seem to be very interested in anything unless it's a planet or a threat within a certain radius. If it's not planetary, threatening or close, it's going to get ignored.

2) They had to have had shields up when they were hit. While they could only take a few hits that way, they must have lost most of the armament and other systems when the shields blew. Without weapons, they weren't going to look like a threat.

3) Because of the remaining shields, the beams that hit the hull were at nowhere near full strength.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing - whjy did it only blow away the hull plating, and leave so much structure merely slightly frazzled.

The PK was full, so it was really just a taste test?

Best Episode ever gets better.

I can't wait to see what they do with "The Ultimate Computer" - space combat with five Connies? Should be interesting.

What will they do with "The Immunity Syndrome"? I mean, how could anyone possibly improve on the original Giant Psychedelic Space Amoeba?

What will they do with "The Immunity Syndrome"? I mean, how could anyone possibly improve on the original Giant Psychedelic Space Amoeba?

Yeah, I've been wondering about that myself....

Actaully, that is one show that has some of the worst matte problems in the whole series. I bet they could recreate that amoeba in CG pretty well and clean it up. I'm excited to see what they come up with.

The "Doomsday" episode looks great. The new angles and effects shots are what they would have wanted to do in the 60s if they had the money and technique.

I was wondering what they are going to do with the giant hand in "Who Mourns for Adonis." (That scene always struck me as a little silly :drunk: )

...The Constellation looks like a Constitution-class starship, rather than a badly-photographed AMT model of a Constitution-class starship.
For the most part, I like the original SPFX. One change I'm sorry they didn't make, is re-numbering the Constellation into the 1700-series. I'm sure a "there's a prototype for everything" argument can be made, but switching around the kit decal numbers to 1017 was one shortcut I've always found inexcusable. Especially, since they could just as easily have numbered her 1707, 1710, or 1711.

I can't wait to see what they do with "The Ultimate Computer" - space combat with five Connies? Should be interesting.

Here here! That, Doomsday Machine, Who Mourns for Adonis, Specter of the Gun and Alternative Factor are my top five (tho I don't see them bothering with those last three).

A few thoughts on the relative intactness of the Constellation:

1) The planet killer doesn't seem to be very interested in anything unless it's a planet or a threat within a certain radius. If it's not planetary, threatening or close, it's going to get ignored.

2) They had to have had shields up when they were hit. While they could only take a few hits that way, they must have lost most of the armament and other systems when the shields blew. Without weapons, they weren't going to look like a threat.

3) Because of the remaining shields, the beams that hit the hull were at nowhere near full strength.Not to mention it's more dramatic than just having the ship vaporize into nothing, in which case the Enterprise crew would have had no warning. ;)

For the most part, I like the original SPFX. One change I'm sorry they didn't make, is re-numbering the Constellation into the 1700-series. I'm sure a "there's a prototype for everything" argument can be made, but switching around the kit decal numbers to 1017 was one shortcut I've always found inexcusable. Especially, since they could just as easily have numbered her 1707, 1710, or 1711.

Yeah, I was hoping they'd re-number her, too.

That would really cause John's head to explode. :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:

Not to mention it's more dramatic than just having the ship vaporize into nothing, in which case the Enterprise crew would have had no warning. ;)

And no mobile hydrogen bomb... ;)

Here here! That, Doomsday Machine, Who Mourns for Adonis, Specter of the Gun and Alternative Factor are my top five (tho I don't see them bothering with those last three).

They're doing the whole series.

double post.

Here here! That, Doomsday Machine, Who Mourns for Adonis, Specter of the Gun and Alternative Factor are my top five (tho I don't see them bothering with those last three).
To paraphrase Arthur Dent, apparently this is some use of the phrase "top five" I'm not familiar with.

The Alternative Factor? THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR?!! If this isn't the worst TOS episode, it is definitely in the bottom five. The episode was apparently re-written, directed, and edited by people who didn't understand what it was about. And it doesn't even have babes in miniskirts like "Spock's Brain".

P.S. It's "Hear, hear." As in "Listen to what he's saying."

Yeah, I was hoping they'd re-number her, too.

That would really cause John's head to explode. :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:


That arguement probably would have driven Michael & Denise Okuda to divorce.

Apparently, if you view the interview on WNMHGB, there was quite an argument about fixing Kirk's tombstone from the 'r' to the 't'. So that detail wasn't ignored.
I just don't know what side each person was on.

I would have preferred them changing the registry to 1710.
I plan on numbering one of my PL connies to 1710 Constellation.

Not to mention it's more dramatic than just having the ship vaporize into nothing, in which case the Enterprise crew would have had no warning. ;)

But it would have been CONSISTENT, dammit! ;P

To paraphrase Arthur Dent, apparently this is some use of the phrase "top five" I'm not familiar with.

First, I don't give a wet slap.

Second - and I say this at the dire risk of sounding like you - technically you're paraphrasing Douglas Adams. Arthur Dent is a fictional character and, therefore, has never actually said anything, and so cannot truly be paraphrased. 'kay, Sparky? :thumbsup:

The Alternative Factor? THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR?!! If this isn't the worst TOS episode, it is definitely in the bottom five.

And yet...it pleases me.

The episode was apparently re-written, directed, and edited by people who didn't understand what it was about. And it doesn't even have babes in miniskirts like "Spock's Brain".

That's all as it may be - and I grant you a major point with the lack of babes - but it's irrelevant; in adult conversation one must be careful not to confuse matters of fact with matters of taste and opinion (especially in discussions of such eternal importance as television shows featuring rubber ears and cardboard sets).

Look, I like the ep and always have. As a kid I really liked the guy's performance as the loony/sedate versions of himself. And the idea that he sacrificed himself - trapped for eternity with his whackbat twin at his throat to save two universes - was really deep to me...poor execution or not. I'd rather watch a 24 hr marathon of just that ep than sit through one showing of the one, say, where Kirk's thinks he's an Indian, or the one with the hippies. Gag me with a hypospray.

Now, you can be gracious enough to disagree yet accept this, live and let live and all that, or you may go to your grave outraged by it. I could not care less which you choose, for I have a strong dislike for and no patience with anyone who can't restrain himself from attacking opinions other than his own. Don't start spelling America with a "k" around me, Ivan; I don't do groupthink and frequently enjoy wiping my ass with all sorts of top and bottom five lists. I'm just that way. Sorry.

That said, I like beer. Do you like beer? Just reachin' for some common ground here...

P.S. It's "Hear, hear." As in "Listen to what he's saying."

Thank you for the correction, and for being a pedantic twit who was compelled to point it out, you've cheered up an otherwise dull evening. While you're at it: should anal retentive be hyphenated? You ought to know. *snicker* :tongue:

NOTE TO MODS: All in fun, I'm sure we're both just blowing off a week's worth of steam. No harm done nor intended! Please don't kill this (planet) killer thread. :wave:

They're doing the whole series.


Far out. That won't make me go out and buy cable or sat, but I will get a post-bunny ears friend to set their VCR for me.

To paraphrase Arthur Dent, apparently this is some use of the phrase "top five" I'm not familiar with.

The Alternative Factor? THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR?!! If this isn't the worst TOS episode, it is definitely in the bottom five. The episode was apparently re-written, directed, and edited by people who didn't understand what it was about. And it doesn't even have babes in miniskirts like "Spock's Brain".
You might want to remember that this is his opinion. It's his Top Five, not yours.... You don't have to like it, but if you want folks to respect your opinion, you might want to try and respect theirs....


But it would have been CONSISTENT, dammit! ;P
Language, please! I'm not prude, trust me, but the rules are the rules, after all, so please adhere to them so that Hank's kept happy and doesn't feel that he needs to pop in here all that often. I like Hank, but he shouldn't have to bother w/this place - and he'd likely give you a TIME OUT for the above. Just keep it in mind, 'kay?



>SNIKT!<

Thank you for the correction, and for being a pedantic twit who was compelled to point it out, you've cheered up an otherwise dull evening. While you're at it: should anal retentive be hyphenated? You ought to know. *snicker* :tongue:

NOTE TO MODS: All in fun, I'm sure we're both just blowing off a week's worth of steam. No harm done nor intended! Please don't kill this (planet) killer thread. :wave:
OK, this is the only warning you get from me 'til the end of the month, frankenstyrene. While BEBruns may have come across as condescending, he wasn't outright attacking, but you obviously know that you're breaking the rules by insulting another member. Nothing personal, but you know better. Be on your best behavior or get a Seven Day Time Out.

'Long as nobody else becomes insulting - directly or by being condescending - I'll let the thread remain.

Thank you for your cooperation.

First, I don't give a wet slap.

Second - and I say this at the dire risk of sounding like you - technically you're paraphrasing Douglas Adams. Arthur Dent is a fictional character and, therefore, has never actually said anything, and so cannot truly be paraphrased. 'kay, Sparky? :thumbsup:
Sorry. Douglas Adams wrote the line for Arthur Dent. Arthur Dent said it. It reflects his attitude and worldview.

That's all as it may be - and I grant you a major point with the lack of babes - but it's irrelevant; in adult conversation one must be careful not to confuse matters of fact with matters of taste and opinion (especially in discussions of such eternal importance as television shows featuring rubber ears and cardboard sets).
I have no disaggreement here. Whether or not you like something is largely a matter of taste. I like a lot of movies and TV series that I know aren't very good. (I've probably seen THE TEN COMMANDMENTS more times than any other movie but I'd never try to argue it is a great movie.)

However, I really object the idea that there are no standards we can apply to art (even pop art) and it's all a matter of opinion. There are badly done shows and those that are well done. And by any standards "The Alternative Factor" is a bad episode. Not to say someone can't like it, but it's still bad.

That said, I like beer. Do you like beer? Just reachin' for some common ground here...
Personally, I prefer caffeinated beverages. I'd rather use a drug that makes me more alert, rather than something that makes me stupid. Not that I'm a teetotaler. In fact I think more drugs should be legal. Not that I'd use them.

Thank you for the correction, and for being a pedantic twit who was compelled to point it out, you've cheered up an otherwise dull evening. While you're at it: should anal retentive be hyphenated? You ought to know. *snicker* :tongue:
Just trying to keep you from embarrassing yourself.

Oh lord. I'll go get the marshmallows. Yo, Griff, forget the time out, I think its behind the shed with a leather strap time.

Griff,

Posted my last reply before I saw your comments. Don't worry, my comments about "The Alternative Factor" were more a matter of disbelief. I just rewatched that episode recently and am still amazed that anybody could mess that up that badly. I was not insulted or offended by Frankenstyrene's comments and I hope he didn't take mine too seriously. I know how hot emotions can get when discussing TOS.

And, to the return to the subject at hand, I just watched the trailer for this again. I do like a lot of what they've done. There are some very cool shots of the Enterprise and the Constellation. But ... I'm still not sure about the planet killer. I know they're trying, but somehow it just doesn't look as alien to me as the original. But at least we won't see the stars through this one.

Brad.

P.S. Oh, and on the trailers, the phasers the Enterprise fires look they were done for 80's TV. Maybhe they'll look better tomorrow night...

They're going to be releasing the re-imaged series on HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, correct?

Looks like that'll be when I need to update my player...

They're going to be releasing the re-imaged series on HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, correct?

Looks like that'll be when I need to update my player...

Yeah, I began preparing my wife for that eventuality the other day. :)