After a few days have went by i think its time for the RC community to know what kind of business man and person Doug "the owner" is. Sunday afternoon i went to Indy slots to drop off some used parts a guy purchased from me. The guy did not have a chassis to run for himself he was using a friends. I sold him a top of the line chassis with 4 tires, body and and extra chassis for 75 DOLLARS!!!!!! I also had some extra motors and tires for sale as well. All stuff was used, the motors were older and served no purpose for me but were great for your average joe, which most of the guys at his track are. I would feel safe saying most of the RC community are medium to low income guys just trying to have some fun. Nothing wrong with that hell i am one of them but if these kind of rc racers cant get used quality stuff they will be out of the hobby very fast because Lets face it, its a very expensive hobby. So i had my box next to a good friend of mine that has been racing longer then i have "i have been in it for 15 plus years" sold 2 19 turn motors for 10 dollars each and 5 sets of ready to run Jaco foams for 5 dollars each. This track and hobby shop does not carry any 10th scale oval parts. I thought i was doing the racers and hobby a good thing by selling parts very cheap. While i was there i noticed that track looked fun and told Mr. Moss i was going to come back and race next weekend. Not 5 minutes later the owner of the business walked over and asked if i was selling parts in his shop, i said kindly yes, they are all used stuff i dont have a need for anymore, do you have a problem with that? "as everybody knows on this board this is very common at all RC tracks" He said yes with a very loud voice, get your sh#t and get the f7ck out of my shop. I replied, i have no problem putting my stuff away if you have a problem with it, he said yeah i do have a F78king problem with it and i said get out of my store or i am calling the police. That is when i said ok fine i can see where this coversation is going no problem i will get my stuff and leave but please understand i planned on being here to watch your races for about an hour so i let my GF use my car to goto the Walmart right done the street. He said I dont care stand outside in the f67king cold. "which it was about 15 degree with a windchild of below zero" I walked away because i was not going to let my temper get to the point his was. He came back over and said do you think i am joking, i kindly replied again nope but i am not standing outside the building in the cold, i am going to wait tell my GF comes back which i have already called and she is checking out. and then i will leave. He said you must think i am a joke i will call the cops and they will throw you out! So that he did called the cops like a over grown 3 year old and they came and said you have to leave. I said not a problem went a few stores down to local bar and played some pool for about 10 min. and left.
I do not know the full store but i heard he asked a handycapped man to leave because he was not buying any parts, he was just there to watch his son race!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe the racer or his father can post here as well.

Now, I look at this owner and say what are you doing for the hobby or sport. I look at the distributors and ask why would you wont your product in his hobby shop? Why would you want to help him sell parts so he can treat people like this. Speaking to all the distributors out there maybe when this guy calls in the next time ask yourself would i want to be treated like this at the track and do i want to support/supply a track like this? And to the racers the only way this guy will learn not to treat people like this is if you dont support him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Matt Erich

yea but there's more to this story.i know doug and your dad has had a few words about him selling parts there and bringing his trailer there also.he probly heard that you were his son and took it out on you.but i do agree with you that place is something else.

i'm not bashing either party i see both sides i was there.I think it definitly could have been handled differently ! not a good pr move . matt is right though some of the guys just can't go out and spend alot of money on this stuff and buying used may be the only way to get it.I don't think i have ever been to a race where used parts wasn't changing hands ! i have raced there the last two sundays had a great time,isn't that why we are in this hobby to do anyway !

Dose this guy require you buy all your parts from him or you can't race. this guy is an idiot. I would have punch him and ended up in jail no one yells at me exept my moma.

i had a good time there too. if there was another place to race on sundays around indy i might try it. i like new castle but im not up to par on equiment or talent. i like to race,but not into for blood like some guys. i agree he handled it wrong. his house his rules

I can see the owners side of it. Some one shows up hasn't raced there before and starts selling stuff. I think it would have been different if it was a regular racer selling used stuff to guys who can't afford or don't want to buy new. Just my thoughts

Yokman- actually my Dad should up on saturday told the guy he going to race the on sunday and bring his trailer, he said he would not be selling any parts he just wanted to race the guy said that is cool not a problem, well when he showed up sunday the guy changed his mind and didnt want him even racing!!!!!!! it would be a completely different story if Doug had parts for pan cars but he doesnt, I also told him i was going to race the next weekend because i like the facility, i didnt just show up to sell parts i had a car that a racer at the track wanted to buy so we agreed to meet at the track, i thought i was doing the racers good by selling good parts for very cheap but i guess he was wrong, If he doesnt have the parts what difference does it matter if the guy buys it online, hobbytown or somebody at the track he will not have the product.

Well just keep all your buddies from buying and racing at this place and in a few weeks he will wonder where his racers and patrons have gone. Back in the old days he could get away with that stuff but with the interent and lots of online shops and tracks wanting you hard earned money you don't have to put up with that stuff.

I was planning on running there after the birds sometime, never will i step foot in that joint,,,,,,,,,,real dick

C3

I Am Not Supporting The Way Doug Acted,but It Is Not Just A Track To Him It Is A Place Of Buiness. I Do Not Think That By The Pancar Class Not Showing Up Is Going To Make Or Break Him. The People It Really Hurts Is Beginner Oval Racers Like Me Not To Have 4 Or 5 Guys To Race With. I Would Be Just As Happy Going To New Castle And Getting Lapped 10 Times And Here People Complain About Being In The Way Wrecking Other Cars. At Least Here You Know What You Are Going To Get.

say u burnt your speedo up and broke both outside tires during a wreck, u were running low on coin, i offered to sell u some used stuff, this guy over hears me, if he acted like that i would hav to call someone to bail me out, PERIOD, was really looking forward to runnin there sometime, stay over after a moose race,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i would throw no one out in the cold!

C3

I have been racing for a bout 10 years, seen used stuff come and go...My opinion is that if the track owner is really interested in having the reacing interest grow He would agree to let people sell stuff to new racers, shoot even old racers...Hell I bought my first t2 truck from a track racer with the help of the track owner...I promotes stability in the reacer buying stuff that he can get help and or stuff cheaply enough to still afford to race. I think the owner was wrong and If it were me I wouldn't race there anymore and tell everyone else the same...Sounds like a tyrant and doesn't want any conflict with the things beinf sold or bought at his track. Especially since he doesn't have the stuff needed...Does He himself sell used/cheap items to the public?

just my 2 cents...i wanna see new guys coming into the sport no matter how they get there stuff...

:rolleyes: WHEW thats nuts.. Doesnt sound like the kind of enviornment Id want to go race in.. Mark that one off the list..

Im with the above..Ill sell used stuff to guys from time to time.. Heck I GIVE stuff away to some people.. Just to keep the hobby alive.. Had I been there racing and not involved I probably would have left just seeing that go down..

I agree its not just a race track its a place of business for him! I own a mortgage company and do you think that when somebody gets a better rate or is happier with another company I call the cops on them and throw them outside in the cold, NO because I am professional and have business edict and think before i speak. You dont treat people like this whether your an employee,friend,business owner or a homeless man! I live by these two quotes

Everybody puts there pants on one leg at a time no matter how much money they make......

What goes around comes around.........

LIKE I SAID IM NOT BACKING ANYONE HERE. HE IS LOOKING AT THE POINT OF VEIW OF SOMEONE SELLING SOMETHING IN HIS STORE THATS NOT HIS. HE DOESNT CARE IF YOU DO IT OUTSIDE THE STORE. I Also own a business. i have a auto glass company and i would not like it if someone sold glass in my shop. again he could of been more polite.

LIKE I SAID IM NOT BACKING ANYONE HERE. HE IS LOOKING AT THE POINT OF VEIW OF SOMEONE SELLING SOMETHING IN HIS STORE THATS NOT HIS. HE DOESNT CARE IF YOU DO IT OUTSIDE THE STORE. I Also own a business. i have a auto glass company and i would not like it if someone sold glass in my shop. again he could of been more polite.


wow what a place

The rc world is different. I can see if a guy is selling NIp stuff. But selling off used stuff. That is fine.

another thing is how can you have a track and not have parts for the cars that run on it.

I don't know this is just messed up.

Muddd,
You like the local gray bar motel, 3 squares a day, you'd make a month out of it and have more friends to boot after you got out. That how you do's.
Toledo

...another thing is how can you have a track and not have parts for the cars that run on it....


Hey Dave you know we do it every week..... :p

I've raced at Indy Slots

small track, very small but it was fun to race at.

I don't know the owner, but if i was he
yes i would have done it different.



Think about this would you want someone to come into your home
that you have never meet and stick his hand in the cookie jar and take out your favorite sugar cookies ( man i'm hungry)
and eat 1 or 2.............no
NO i wouldn't call the police
but i would ask him to leave.


at Race Street in New Castle
i've never seen the police show up at the track....
the bar maybe but not the track

they don't have a hobby shop so if you want to sell anything just let me know so i can get my 10%


I have some stuff to sell
so if ya want to meet up
at Indy Slots let me know
he he he he

They can have the sugar cookies.... now if they were choc chip well that would be a different story!!! LOL

If oval drivers are not going to make or break this guy who cares about someone selling a few used parts that he does'nt carry in the first place.

This whole situation is rediculous. I have a car and break my last left arm. The track carries no parts for this car. The guy next to me sells me the arm I need. Does this guy deserve to be escorted out by the police or even asked to leave?

Everyone that says yes, answer this. Did this guy pull out pegboard and put up a sign advertising nip parts for sale? Was he a competing business with intent to undermine this particular track/shop?

I work at my local shop. We have a track downstairs in the basement. Stuff changes hands all the time in the pits. Heck the shop even supports a swap meet a couple times a year in the private parking lot. The website has a swap/sell thread. Need I go on.

Big, big, big difference between selling parts from your own stash as opposed to selling inventory from a competing shop.

A little common sense goes a long way.

You know I read all of this I think its totally funny. I have a track, and I stock just about everything one needs for a pan car. I even have an on line store with the stuff. I have guys selling things in the pits all the time. I am a store, I don't have used stuff, or old cars a beginner to buy and try out the sport. I have encourage them to pick up a used kit, come race and get hooked then they come to me for all the up grades and a new kit etc.

I have kicked out my share of A$$ holes now and then for just being stupid. The track just got stronger from it. Its sad because you guy will lose this track from a poor owner. He needs to either support the racers he has, or start selling scrap booking supplies

I Am Not Supporting The Way Doug Acted,but It Is Not Just A Track To Him It Is A Place Of Buiness. I Do Not Think That By The Pancar Class Not Showing Up Is Going To Make Or Break Him. The People It Really Hurts Is Beginner Oval Racers Like Me Not To Have 4 Or 5 Guys To Race With. I Would Be Just As Happy Going To New Castle And Getting Lapped 10 Times And Here People Complain About Being In The Way Wrecking Other Cars. At Least Here You Know What You Are Going To Get.

Underlying problem as I see it. Selbie I think is saying at least at Indy slots the fast guys ain't hollering "get out of the way". Maybe some regulars from New Castle can help out and get the New Guys from Indy Slots under their wing.

Just My 2 cents worth.
and No I would'nt stand out in the snow either.


Wade

just so nobody gets the wrong idea about us new castle guys .and no im not claiming to be fast .but i have spent time the last to races helping a few of the fellow pancar guys out ! such as dynoing afew motors giving out advice on my setups and rollouts! selbe is right for that being a small track i seem to get wrecked alot less on sunday than saturday night

The way I see it Matt sold a car to his friend so he could race there.By doing this he is HELPING the owner by giving him another racer.Matt liked the way the track looked and was going to race there some too.Now neither one of them may race there now.The track is small but very nice, I was planning on going there some with my nephew, but after this I probably will not go there.So there is 4 racers lost and not counting anyone else on here that has read this post.

By the way I saw quite a few things sold the day I was there and I sold a battery to someone.

Why don't you get a bunch of guys to show up (like 20 0r 30) they don't even haveto be real racers. Stand around in the front of the store---enter at the same time ---- sell something to each other and leave. Then he would have a reason to get upset.

if it were me i could care less about selling used parts at a store. what im saying is if we quit racing here thats just one less track to race at. very convenient for some of use that work on saturdays to race there on sundays. i know its not the best racing out there but its something.

As a former track owner. I encouraged new racers to start with used equipment ( make sure they liked it before they invested big ). I even had a sales case that people could sale their things in. Most of the time the racers would reinvest their sells in new items off the wall. This hobby is ever changing and it helps the racer that wants a better charger etc. to sell and use the money to buy new updated equipment. It makes two racers happy and keeps the entries at the track. Most of the time the big ticket item had little to no profit. The small item had the best markup and racing and breaking made for the sales of those. Twelve years ago the average income was about $35.00 per entry. Most of those sells were for replacement items (bodies, tires, breakable parts, paint, etc. ) If I thought someone was selling new items in the parking lot (not sure how they got them and if they were sponsored they did not represent the manufacture well for doing it.) I would give one warning and call their sponsor if I seen it again..

Wow, what an amazing story! This guy Doug is an absolute disgrace to the R/C Racing community. I feel ashamed to call him a fellow Hoosier. I have been racing for over 15 years off and on, but I have yet to hear of such an immature overly paranoid moron! I for one will never step foot in Indy Slots again. I am sorry to say I purchased several slot cars from him a few years ago, but I will be certain to never make that mistake again. I also will be making a phone call to this piece of human debris to thank him for letting us know the quality of individual he truly is. I will be seeing everyone @ the Moose on Saturday!!

I have sold r/c parts for many years. I had a shop and I did sell new and used parts. I also paid all the bills on the shop. I did this by buying thur hobby distributors and by buying and sell ing used cars. I would not appreciate a fellow coming into my shop and selling parts, new or used. I went to other race tracks and bought my parts from that race facility as I know this is how he pays the bills. I also paid my race fees to the shop. No I did not buy all my parts from him but I did not buy them from the guy in the next pit either. If the shop does not make money then it will not survive. I know this for a fact as I ended up with the track after the place closed down. I also know that buying and selling of used parts goes on everywhere, I do it today. If I sell a piece to a person prior to going to a track and am just delivering it so as to demonstrate that it works i will infor the owner of what is going on. I do NOT set up a table and sell out of another persons place of business. I carry new and used parts on my trailer and if the track has the part need I tell the people to buy from the track. If the track does not have the part then I will sell it to the racer. I tell shop owners of my policy and if they have a problem with it then I don't sell at the track at all. I can go down the road a ways and do my transaction at some non related place.
i do agree that the owner should have been a bit more on the polite side as his actions were really not very nice as they were described. I do think that you should have left when ask to do so as you stated that you went a few doors down and played pool till your ride arrived.
Fred

Thanks for sharing the story, Matt.

I was thinking about coming out to Indy Slots this weekend to check out the track and racing. I'm glad I didn't now, and will not be showing up for anything after hearing about this 'display'.

Guess I can continue with my plans on trying to start a track of my own?!

chad w. :cool:

I want to hear a rebuttal from a representative of Indy Slots. So far all we are getting is one side of the story. I would like to at least hear from somone else who witnessed this event.

I occassionally race at Indy Slots and like having the option of racing at a track that is closer to me than New Castle. I'm not suggestioning that someone wasn't asked to leave. However, events rarely occur to us exactly like we think they do.

i wasv there, but i didnt see the arguement or the police

you guy's are all welcome to come to Joe's hobbybarn, They don't care if you sell used stuff or not!!! Track may be small but can be alot of fun..

JP

well I was there and seen and hear the whole thing.. but not saying a word..it's between Mattie and Doug.. The ordeal with the Po-Po being there was stupid but always 2 sides of story... :freak:

Sorry that you all have a place to race thats that hard on some one that is selling used parts,That happens at most tracks that Ihave beem to thats just the way it is face it ,I am the owner of Scott's Hobbies -Branford R/C Speedway
way down here in North Florida. I hope you get it all fixed up cause racing is addictive and you cant go too long without it ~S~ Have Fun, Live long , Be sae Scott :wave:

PS.If I dont have a part and some one has the new part then he can sell it New Or Used :wave:

Just a note I have racers that have been racing at my track for over 16 years
Scott & BOSS 1 :wave:

WHERE is Joe's Hobby Barn??? so some one can come there :wave:

I am sure Matt didn't say anything to make him angry....

actually huffer I was very nice this time because it was a sunday and earlier in the morning. If the guy that purchased the car from me would post on here it would be great because he watched the whole thing go down.

What i would have expected from any business owner was to address the problem with the person, wait for a response from the person and then make a remark. After he asked me are you selling parts in my store i answered honestly and said yes is there a problem, all he had to say was this is not my stores policy would you please put your items away, you are more then welcome to race here i just do not want people selling parts. I would not have had a problem with that, might not have agreed with it but it is his place and he choices. What you do not have to do is call the cops and talk to somebody like they are your child misbehaving.

I would love to read Doug's thought process on this event aswell, also how he can justify to himself treating potential clients, the public and even if he thought I was a competitor of his like the way he did and will cont. too

Matt Erich

Who told him you were selling parts at the track? I am sure someone had to tell him, since he is up above in the store where he can't see half the track.You and your father don't deserve to be treated that way.

Thanks for sharing the story, Matt.

I was thinking about coming out to Indy Slots this weekend to check out the track and racing. I'm glad I didn't now, and will not be showing up for anything after hearing about this 'display'.

Guess I can continue with my plans on trying to start a track of my own?!

chad w. :cool:

Chad you got my interest :thumbsup:

chad you don't have mine.......

what day's are you planning on racing when everything happnes ?

WHERE is Joe's Hobby Barn??? so some one can come there :wave:
Terre Haute, In.... Small track in size only about 85-90 ft run line, Not the serious track as some others, but fun to race at.

chad you don't have mine.......

what day's are you planning on racing when everything happnes ?

Not too worried about that. I'll either have some minions setting up my car or I'll just race Legends! :p Besides I haven't raced on a regular basis in a few years, what's a couple more until I can hire someone to run the races for me Jerry Moss.

chad w. :cool: