well it is almost ready for Friday's race at HobbyTown! 4 cell fun!!

I bet that thing is gonna fly!

Bud-Can I run brushless with a lipo pack in stock class Friday night?

A little sneak peak of the 4 cell Mamba brushless BRP SC-V2M (I think the worlds first)

http://users.adelphia.net/~melwood/Body_Photos.html

Bud-Can I run brushless with a lipo pack in stock class Friday night?

You sure can - you just wont get points :lol:

Looking good micro !!!

Nice, Micro. I've got someone at my local track that just bought one of the Robotronic cars, and he wants to run 4 cell brushless. I'm going to put the V2M 6 cell big block 300 up against him, to see how it compares. Maybe this weekend if it ever stops snowing here, and I can get out of my driveway. We had about 20 inches Sunday, and got another foot this morning. Ah lake effect, ya got to love it.

Wazzer - WOW that's alot of snow!!! Let me know how many laps you beat that other car by!!! :)

Good Luck...

could i run that kinda body in stock and looking good

Is that a BRP body?

you can run that body in stock on road course only but on oval you can only use stock car body ian... and yes its a brp body i believe its called the gtb body is that right micro?

Yep - BRP body on the BRP web site.

Good -- I was wondering what the GTP body looked like. Hoping to running a little raod course here soon.

Wazzer>> You will beat him by laps since it will break in the first turn :) Make sure the diff is not slipping too much. If your too fast turn the hih end point down some.

can you bring one of those bud

I will have some. Friday

Good -- I was wondering what the GTP body looked like. Hoping to running a little raod course here soon.

Where are you gonna run that?

at the gate in cleveland road course

it was fast until the speedo caught on fire and i mean on fire!!!!!!

yea it looked great mike sorry it went poof... you gonna tra agian?

Well - the review of the SC-18 V2M Brushless:

The Castle Creations Link software is really well designed. It was SO much easier to program the ESC with the USB link, than the beeps and lights. If I were to buy another motor (I may have to :devil: ) I would get the 4200Kv or 5400Kv not the ridicules Competition X 8000Kv! With 4 very old GP 1100's, and the motor set on the slowest setting, and lowest punch control, it was still way to much motor. After the first run, I changed the power settings, drag brake, and throttle curve via the software. The second run was much more manageable. For the third practice run, I added even more drag brake, and adjusted the throttle curve a little more. Bud took it out for a spin, and was passing 1/12th scale cars with ease. Although it was controllable it was still way to much motor.

I was ready to run it in a heat race....and that's when it went all wrong. During my practice runs, something must have started to short in the receiver wire. The first lap, the car was not running the way it did in practice. And then in the second lap - SMOKE and FLAMES. the receiver wires melted.

Well I hope Castle has a good warranty!

I am sure to continue testing the brushless. I think with the 4200Kv, this could be a real nice handling and fast car!!!

OK - Attempt 2.0 with the brushless this Saturday at the high bank oval track! The first attempt was rough, the 8000Kv motor was just way to much. I have installed the 5400Kv -- we will see how it goes!

Mirco,

Will you be running your pro stock car also?

Yes - I will have both cars

I had a chance to run the brushless at the high banks. My goal was to find a motor/gear and ESC setting combination that was the same as a stock car. SUCUSS! I used the 5400Kv motor at the lowest setting with 75% drag brake. On 4 cells I was just a little faster than the stock cars. I think the little extra speed was due to the wedge body. With a 52 spur and 13 pinion, the brushless was spot on in lap times with the 6 cell 16d motors. I was running 4 old GP 1100's...and the car would go 30 minutes easy! I am now a brushless convert -- it is a little more expansive up front with the burshless system, but when I look at how much I have spent over the years on motors, brushes, comm lathe, and other stuff -- the burshless is cheaper in the long run! Plus the software is fun to play with!

I will have the Brushless out for some final testing at Freddies. If anyone has a brushless motor (I know some of you do!) put it in and join the FUN!

Does that mean ME ??

YEP -- that was for YOU :)

But Bud has to run the 8kv with 100% throttle, lets see that control!!

Is the drag brake what it implies? When you let off the throttle the brakes are on, "dragging"?

Yes - with a stock motor when you let off the throttle, the motor "slows" the car down. With a speed 300 or brushless, you don't get the same affect. When you set the drag brake, the car "feels" more like a stock motor.

yes that's right

today I had a very successful race day with the brushless on a very tight road course. I used a 4200Kv on 4 cells. Can't wait for the summer series - brushless on oval!

Yes the 8000 Tekin was just too fast but it will be in for the oval :eek:

Bud - suck up the $50 and get a 5400Kv or 6800Kv motor...it will be much more fun if we all ran the lower Kv motors - the 8000Kv even on the lowest setting is to fast. It wont be fun getting pased by a green blur :)

$50.00 that would be 6 370 motors I could run for like 2 years on those :)

Quick update on the brushless experiment:

the speed 370 motor and the 5400Kv brushless motor are very very close to the same speed. So for the people who asked me what motor to get, I would recomend the 5400Kv if you wanted to have the same speed as the 370.

I'm testing the 8000 this Friday. :eek:

I'm testing the 8000 this Friday. :eek:
Bud, I hope you don't put any holes in the walls with it!!! Am I going to have to put a 6 cell in my big block car to lessen the impact from behind when I can't get out of the way? :freak: Thanks for the tour of the 6 figure BRP establishment on Thursday. See you on Friday.:thumbsup:

I'm testing the 8000 this Friday. :eek:

:rolleyes: good luck. :roll: :p

Ya baby !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok - what should a brushless BRP class look like? Tang is it possible to have a few simple rules to keep the speeds to a drivable level? A few thoughts:
1. Keep the truck body - with out the wedge body, you have to slow up or you will be off the track.
2. Motors - right now people have different kv's - could we put a gear ratio limit on each to keep them with in the same speed?
3. keep them at 4 cell

Could we make a brushless class work?

Post your thoughts and ideas!

Racers vote>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Do you want to see brushless or no???????????

How many wanted to see a truck body?? were doing it

once again - just looking for ideas! I thought truck body, because we allready have them. Bud did say he was going to make a COT body...maybe we could use that.

I was just going to say it might be a good class for a COT body, if Bud could do it.

How many different classes can you bring to 20-25 racers?Personally I want but can not get 16 d 6 cell pro stock motor any body.

As far as the truck body comment I made>> some one brought up running a truck body and 20 people are running it,last summer some one said lets run stock car body and we all did ..... what about asking for opinions.l

K-5 - Bud can verify, but I think the 16d - 6 cell class is at life end. The new "stock" class looks like it will be 4 cell 370 motor. So it would not add another class, rather replace a class that will be sunset-ted.

As far as bodies, what would you like to see? In the past, people have suggested a body type and Bud takes into account the handling, and popularity, and makes a discussion for the series.

We did try a 16d "open motor" 6 cell class. The motors were real hard to gear, and I blew up a few of them. We tried the twister motor, the American arms, and other cans. We also had to true the comms more often to keep the RPM's. In the end, in my opinion, the 16d pro-stock motor was more expansive, harder to gear, ate up brushes faster, and much more work. What's nice about the brushless is you can get the same speed as the pro-stock, with out all the work, and on 4 cell's! So your 2 6 cell pack becomes 3 - 4 cell packs - and you are good to go!

One last thought would be to allow any motor and any cell number, BUT on the rear wheel dyno, you could not exceed X - where X is determined by the racers in the class. So if you were to put your 6 cell pro-stock geared to what you want to run on the track, and say that number was 67 on the dyno (that was the reading I got with my pro-stock motor at 9/48 - the gearing we used at Da Track) then we could make the gear ratio for the other motors stay with in that range. I can gear my 4200kv motor to run like a 16d stock all the way to a 370 running a 17 tooth pinion. So I guess rather than regulate the motor - regulate what the max speed could be. It would be like Norwalk Raceway does. If you tell them you have a 10.0 car and run 9.5 - you are disqualified. I say you bring your pro-stock car to Freddies, put it on the rear wheel dyno, get a baseline reading - and then let anyone run that class - if you have a 370 motor - put a bigger gear on and run!

I guess it goes back to >>>>>>>>>>who wants to go brushless?? vote em up!I thought the pro stock 16 d was faster than stock 16 d and 370 with four cell maybe we should weld them shut so you can not true comms just run it.

We have a few brushless at the track now:
Tang
Bud
Wayne
Bret
Micro
with a few people who have thought about getting into it:
ZOOOOM
Nitro Jeff