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How has it performed on the track? Where has it been tested?

is there even 1 built? and Who is running it??

Wow. Is this car OK to run weekly at Enfield & K&N? I mean, legally?

Yes, it will be legal at all tracks. I made sure not to make the wheelbase any bigger or wider than the existing cars. They will be available by Friday. Testing will commence wednesday with some team drivers including myself. The center damper is well within the scope of what's legal. I will be looking for clarification on wether or not a coil spring in the center is actually legal. If so I will implement one immediately as a factory upgrade. I purposely didn't design it using a coil spring because of the controversy that would ensue. But considering the KSKT car has one , I guess it's legal.

Yes, it will be legal at all tracks. I made sure not to make the wheelbase any bigger or wider than the existing cars. They will be available by Friday. Testing will commence wednesday with some team drivers including myself. The center damper is well within the scope of what's legal. I will be looking for clarification on wether or not a coil spring in the center is actually legal. If so I will implement one immediately as a factory upgrade. I purposely didn't design it using a coil spring because of the controversy that would ensue. But considering the KSKT car has one , I guess it's legal.
WOW! :rolleyes:

Yes, it will be legal at all tracks. I made sure not to make the wheelbase any bigger or wider than the existing cars. They will be available by Friday. Testing will commence wednesday with some team drivers including myself. The center damper is well within the scope of what's legal. I will be looking for clarification on wether or not a coil spring in the center is actually legal. If so I will implement one immediately as a factory upgrade. I purposely didn't design it using a coil spring because of the controversy that would ensue. But considering the KSKT car has one , I guess it's legal.
I have seen the drawing of the rse and looks to close to the rkr chassis availble now,the center shock mount seems to be the same as a beefy with the exception with the holes in the middle. from the rules I have read with the "skor" any copies will not be approved. There is to be no "shock" or shocks allowed on the car period in any of the classes of sk,spec,pro etc. I came up with something that is not defined as a shock but acts like one.if you wish to copy it thats up to you. good luck.

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I have seen the drawing of the rse and looks to close to the rkr chassis availble now,the center shock mount seems to be the same as a beefy with the exception with the holes in the middle. from the rules I have read with the "skor" any copies will not be approved. There is to be no "shock" or shocks allowed on the car period in any of the classes of sk,spec,pro etc. I came up with something that is not defined as a shock but acts like one.if you wish to copy it thats up to you. good luck.
I think in most countries a shock is called a damper which is what is in the center of the kskt. Legal?

I think in most countries a shock is called a damper which is what is in the center of the kskt. Legal?
well tim I guess we need to remove the damper tube on the beefy cars and rse cars now since damper tube is supplied with the kits. shock imo and others i have spoke with is a body filled with a liquid and a piston attachted on the end. the piston doing part of the dampining.

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You guys are all a bunch of Skulls.....

Why do you guys even have rules, your all arguing and bickering more than any other car/class that races on any track. I don't understand why you guys don't just keep your Chassis layout rule, and weight rule, and let the rest fly.....if it fits under the body let it go....I think you guys would have more fun personally. I'd love to see the dremels flying around the pits.....You guys are out of control :D , and it seems no-one even really knows the rules as it is, or you guys wouldn't be arguing over tubes and shocks, and different variations of the technical terms in which they are called.....

My Bad.....Let the arguing continue... :thumbsup:

where can we get these skor rules.

You guys are all a bunch of Skulls.....

Why do you guys even have rules, your all arguing and bickering more than any other car/class that races on any track. I don't understand why you guys don't just keep your Chassis layout rule, and weight rule, and let the rest fly.....if it fits under the body let it go....I think you guys would have more fun personally. I'd love to see the dremels flying around the pits.....You guys are out of control :D , and it seems no-one even really knows the rules as it is, or you guys wouldn't be arguing over tubes and shocks, and different variations of the technical terms in which they are called.....

My Bad.....Let the arguing continue... :thumbsup:
. Rules have been a big issue from the get go, the class is growing and rules are always asked and can never get the low down of what to run other than 4 cell stock with weigth at 2.30 thats about it, madness has rules they stick by it and thats why you dont see this crap there, now its being questioned more often than before. arguing I dont see it that way, just questioning and then giving an answer, I beleive at the end of tims comment was a ?

I'm sure he meant that sacastically, and then you guys got all "Webster" on him.... :freak:

the dream team..... no attitude its the truth. and sorry rick for hijacking the thread will not post anymore here.

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where can we get these skor rules.
I know chris marcy at r/c madness has a pile of them.

Now lets don't turn my thread into a brawl. hehe Different ideas are great and I am cool with whatever is decided upon but,..... We can't forget all the people who run the original RKR chassis that don't these options available to them. It isn't fair to change the rules of the class if it makes 3/4 of the cars obsolete. (most sk's are solid chassis at this time) There aren't enough racers to start sub-dividing the class into Solid chassis, T Plate w/simple damper, T Plate w/almost shock absorber style damper etc. Here's an idea for you guys to mull over. Why not not keep the simple fuel line tube damper for stock, and 19T, and then for unlimited Mod use a real center shock and damper stick? Sound like a plan? Now before anyone says that they can't be competetive, with that setup, I personally saw someone running laps with with 7 turn (using fuel tube damper) that would make any pan car guy proud. Remember SK is a cut price version of the NASCAR Mod series. Let the Mod RC version of it resemble the full blown pan car etc. Just a few thoughts.

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Honestly I never heard of Skor before yesterday. Who is involved and how are rules agreed upon? Is there an unbiased committe etc.

15 years later, the class still can't get the rules straight. :D

Wow.....Okay.......ummmm no comment....lol

Jim, Jon or Ken, we are still waiting on our copy of the SKOR rules....is one of you going to get them to us? Weve all talked about this organization...but havent gotten our copy to review what requirements we have as a track...can you hook us up with a copy please? thanks!

Why all of the sudden is this getting out of hand?

I just PM'd this to someone......

I just think the cars have overstepped what they were intended for. Now too many people have their hands in the mix trying to outsmart everyone and/or make a buck.

The class is supposed to be RACERS outsmarting each other and outdriving each other with talent, now it seems it's become another pan car class with the car/part of the week type deal.

I think the players involved need to step up with a few track owners and set a pure set of rules. Forget all this rear suspension stuff, bolt the damned pods to the chassis and go race. Set a base rule on wheelbase, width and total chassis width to get away from moving the packs constantly and be done with it. There was a reason why the original rules for the class ran the packs down the center and had a basic wheelbase, width and weight rule. It was simple.

With basic rules, everyone could still make chassis kits but not turn the class into 10th scale. Car of the week that stretches the spirit of the rules, what is and isn't a damper, T plate or no T plate, throw it all out. Dividing a class that is or could be the biggest class at alot of tracks isn't the answer.

I just PM'd this to someone......

I just think the cars have overstepped what they were intended for. Now too many people have their hands in the mix trying to outsmart everyone and/or make a buck.

The class is supposed to be RACERS outsmarting each other and outdriving each other with talent, now it seems it's become another pan car class with the car/part of the week type deal.

I think the players involved need to step up with a few track owners and set a pure set of rules. Forget all this rear suspension stuff, bolt the damned pods to the chassis and go race. Set a base rule on wheelbase, width and total chassis width to get away from moving the packs constantly and be done with it. There was a reason why the original rules for the class ran the packs down the center and had a basic wheelbase, width and weight rule. It was simple.

With basic rules, everyone could still make chassis kits but not turn the class into 10th scale. Car of the week that stretches the spirit of the rules, what is and isn't a damper, T plate or no T plate, throw it all out. Dividing a class that is or could be the biggest class at alot of tracks isn't the answer.

Warren, what you are asking for is something that a few racers and car makers - have already done.

Chad and I have been approached on several occasions for our suggestions - and also to see what we would and wouldnt support for this class.

Chad has been working on rules for months. Due to all the "drama" he really doesnt know what to do with them.

Jon Anderson has a real good start ...and Im not saying anything is wrong with his work but I do know Chad wanted to discuss some other ideas and/or changes.

I would be MORE THAN happy to open K&N for an ALL OUT MEETING - if the manufactors, teams, drivers - racers, etc all were willing to take part.

However, because I believe this involves so many people we may either have to set a few dates to ensure ALL people get a chance to attend & speak; or literally take the details to a thread - so it can stay public and all have a chance to be involved......

We all agree.....setting some standards would really HELP this class out. Its just getting to that - which is the hard part.

My understanding was this SKOR - was really working hard on it and had nearly resolved this...which is why I was excited to get our copy!

I know that NO ONE wants to exclude any person from being able to participate simply because of what they own, but sadly this appears to be the case, when you look at the rules some have already followed...

What can we (K&N) do to help?

Someone should set up a poll on Hobby Talk & see what the RACERS want. They are the ones paying the entry fees. Only people that run SK's should have a vote. I know that's probably hard to police, but that's what should happen. I don't think K&N or Madness or any track should make the rules for any class. If it's what the racers want, then run the class that way. Done deal. My opinion: whatever fits under the body is good, no coil-overs. Rigid cars will still win their share. If guys want to spend twice as much on an "exotit" kit and still get beat by a flat piece of fiberglass, that's fine. The guys that were in the A-main at the Shootout with T-plate cars would have made the Main regardless of what they drove. Guys in the B & C-mains weren't beat by t-plates, they were beat by Drivers, me included.

Do rear steer slugs fall under Spec ??

Sounds a little over the edge to me.

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Back up to the basic's guys !!!

This deffinition of a shock is foolish.

A Spec car uses a silicone hose over a solid shaft as supension dampener, a little diff lube and your golden.

Same thing with a side dampener , a solid metal or plastic rod in a hollow tube strictly for dampening.

No springs on the car except for the front suspension .

Someone should set up a poll on Hobby Talk & see what the RACERS want. They are the ones paying the entry fees. Only people that run SK's should have a vote. I know that's probably hard to police, but that's what should happen. I don't think K&N or Madness or any track should make the rules for any class. If it's what the racers want, then run the class that way. Done deal. My opinion: whatever fits under the body is good, no coil-overs. Rigid cars will still win their share. If guys want to spend twice as much on an "exotit" kit and still get beat by a flat piece of fiberglass, that's fine. The guys that were in the A-main at the Shootout with T-plate cars would have made the Main regardless of what they drove. Guys in the B & C-mains weren't beat by t-plates, they were beat by Drivers, me included.

Youve got a good point!! (in my PERSONAL opinion...)

Please use the new SKOR thread. This tread is for RSpeedEngineering and there products. I set up a new thread for people to voice there opinions.
It is under the events thread.
Thanks
JIM

Please use the new SKOR thread. This tread is for RSpeedEngineering and there products. I set up a new thread for people to voice there opinions.
It is under the events thread.
Thanks
JIM
http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=168629

Thanks for the info. We'll take a look at it. See you at the track.

Complete Kits and Chassis' will available starting Saturday December, 23rd All orders will ship immediately.

As a new S/Kdriver I feel qualified to speak on this issue. I purchased a kit from one of the above manufacturers a few weeks ago with the intent of racing the class every now and then. After racing pan cars for 15 years, its obvious to me that the S/K class is the most competitive,expensive, technilogically advanced class at the track! At the first race I entered, I was forced to remove a tiny front end spring I had placed on the end of the center shock/damper tube so as not to break the T-Plate when it was bent rearward. Just a few weeks later, cars can now run full on center springs all of a sudden? The problem with this class, from a new S/K drivers point of view, is that the rules of the game seem to change as the game is being played. A manufacturer makes a chassis/configuration in the basemant, illegally races it in live competition, then after they feel it gives an edge it suddenly "becomes" legal. This goes for ALL the kit manufacturers.The definition of a shock is one that controls both rebound AND damping with or without oil.The spring portion of the new design claerly controls rebound and should be considered a shock. Waht if I filled my associated shock with water or some other non-oil fluid, could it be considered not a shock because thier is no oil in it? If I race my undertaker with an S/K body and a silicone damper and call it a prototype for a future car kit,(as some have), is it legal to run? The grey area is really being pushed and goes against the spirit of S/K racing.
I consider myself freinds with all the makers of these S/K cars, but this is out of control, it is actually preventing me from running the class lately.I say the DRIVERS, not the manufacturers, get together and agree on a set of rules written in stone for a 1 year period, to be reviewed/updated on a yearly basis. Manufacturers who sell product should not be allowed to write the rules, it is a clear conflict of interest and is hurting the class.Availability should also be defined. 25 cars available from 2 or 3 places whithin 3 days seems reasonable to me, there is an S/K being run that I have been trying to buy for months now to no avail. one-off prototypes should only be run on the most casual club racing nights. I am tempted to introduce a BP design S/K car based on the RIP design, write up a set of rules to cover it, and push the boundaries one step further ,which is exactly what is being done now!
This is the point of view from a driver who has recently decided to try the class and i am sure I speak for others when i say this. Put aside the greediness, the pettieness, and the egos and let the drivers decide what we want from the munufacturers and let the best car win. The people have spoken!

Waht if I filled my associated shock with water or some other non-oil fluid, could it be considered not a shock because thier is no oil in it?
Take the piston off and it is legal

Take the piston off and it is legal

John,
I agree totally,except for the coil spring, I think somewhat crosses the line. I would much rather see the fuel line tubing instead. Afterall we know the cars can do 53 at K&N with that setup. Why make it more expensive and besides that just brings us one step closer to being just another pan car. I'd save the center shock/spring for SK Mod class. My $00.02

John,
I agree totally,except for the coil spring, I think somewhat crosses the line. I would much rather see the fuel line tubing instead. Afterall we know the cars can do 53 at K&N with that setup. Why make it more expensive and besides that just brings us one step closer to being just another pan car. I'd save the center shock/spring for SK Mod class. My $00.02
Well Rick.
We came up with a few different ideas for the center shock. Only this one included a spring, but it turned out to be the cheapest and easiest to produce. Using the fuel tubing, we felt that we were infringing on Jimmy's design. I have only seen one s/k do 53 at k/n, all of the rest are in the 51-52 range, including the solid fibreglass car. Just goes to show how little these major changes make to the cars.

So are you saying that we should all try to implementour own individual design for the center damper? Because That is the only sticky issue that I can see being raised by either car owners or track owners. I would love to fabricate an adjustable design, but I will stay with something real basic until the bwinterblast is over. I can offer a better more adjustable version later for tracks that allow them. I can't speak for Chad, but I am real curious as to wether he'll allow them at the Blast.

Availability should also be defined. 25 cars available from 2 or 3 places whithin 3 days seems reasonable to me, there is an S/K being run that I have been trying to buy for months now to no avail. one-off prototypes should only be run on the most casual club racing nights.

25 cars from 2-3 places? I bet RIP or some other pan cars can't even meet that quantity. Seems you can only get certain pan cars if you are in the right place at the right time or know the right people.

Well I have 20 available right away. That's not so bad. The one thing I aim to do is run a professional company that provides professional service. When I sell you something, the parts will all fit, nothing will be mismatched, only the highest quality machining, etc etc. I could never see buying a kit and then having to go out and buy all sorts of upgrades to make it complete. That is one thing that Ozzy from RIP does, and KSG has a pretty complete package, the only thing I would like to see in the KSG box are some nice adjustable aluminum body posts. My rear pod & rear axle assembly btw is manufactured at KSG because I have never found a smoother diff. That also opens up the option that if you're at a track that doesn't stock my parts, you can go to the wall and buy KSG XCS parts for the rear pod and rear axle setup in case of a wreck or broken parts.

PS: I'm not suggesting that RKR or Beefy provide poor service

Rickster, got your message late last night. Will you be at K/N Friday?

I should be, I have to take my wife to New England Medical in Boston to have her staples removed. But after that I was definately going to try and head down there to drop off some kits.

Ok. I'll see ya Friday.

Happy Holidays!!!!!!

Have a SAFE & wonderful Holiday everyone!!!!

You too Danielle. I was up at the track tonight. Said I was going home at 7:30... uh huhhh ! Left at 11:00 as usual hehe. Never can seem to leave early on friday nights, must be the snacks!

Anyway the REV 1.0 SK Car Kits and Conversion Chassis' are in stock and ready to ship.

TTT please

RSE inc. Is pleased to announce the realease of it's first complete kits, the REV 1.0 SK* Modified!

Standard Features:

2.6 mm quasi-isotropic carbon fiber chassis
Choice of front end geometries (Associated 8400, or RSE 2001)
Inline Axles, D-Ring Differential, Adjustable Aluminum Body Posts
Transponder mounting holes
Choices of solid or slider chassis
State of the art KSG manufactured rear pod (includes KSG axle & differential)
Full bearing set included
Adjustable center damper, CRC side damper, and Servo mounts.
Built in Rear steer capabilty up to 3 1/2 degrees

Options:
Aluminum parts can be special ordered in various colors,
Adjustable aluinum castor blocks,
Sway bar kit, Wing mounts (for Mod class)
Ceramic bearings, Graphite diff balls
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Can you put up a pic of this SK?Witch top pod plate are you using from the KSG.sounds liks a nice car.

Jake

How much does the kit cost?