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2007 ORL Classes

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CRAFTSMAN Speed Spec Truck Series
Motor: Trinity Speed Spec motors only (Full Face 'F', 'R' or 'S' brush only)
Batteries: Trinity Speed Spec 4-cell battery only (Must have Tamiya type connector)
Body: ORL approved Truck bodies (rear of body must be intact)
Weight: 40oz.

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Sportsman Brushless
Motor: Novak SS 13.5 (NOV3413) only (motor must remain stock)
Batteries: Any ROAR legal 4300mah or less 4-cell battery
Body: Stock car bodies (rear of body must be intact)
Weight: 41oz.
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Pro Brushless
Motor: Novak SS 4300 (NOV3401) only (motor must remain stock)
Batteries: Any ROAR legal 4300mah or less 4-cell battery
Body: Stock car bodies
Weight: 41oz.
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Super Cup
Motor: 19turn motors (motor to be determined)
Batteries: Any ROAR legal 4300mah or less 4-cell battery
Body: Stock Car Bodies
Weight: 40oz.
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Pro Cup
Motor: ROAR legal stock motors
Batteries: Any ROAR legal 4300mah or less 4-cell battery
Body: Stock Car Bodies
Weight: 40oz.

Sorry it took so long to come up with the final format of classes for the 2007 season. For next year we wanted to include the brushless system but there were so many different opinions on which motor to use it was hard to make a decision. As you see, we are going to be running several classes (several at least for the ORL) and we’ll see how they do.

I had tried my best to ask for peoples thoughts and opinions. The series is primarily driven by the racers so their input is very important. I appreciate all of the great feedback I had received on this. (but I also dislike it when people don't speak up until after decisions are made) The final decision on classes was based on all of this info and not just my personal preferences.

The big differences is addition of the brushless and the changes to the trucks. The trucks had a good year this year but it was obvious that it was a novelty that was wearing off for many but it was decided to keep them but change them to a Street Spec based class. It will be pushed as a secondary class and more of a beginners type of class.

We are going to go against the typical ORL theory (we're breaking all my rules this year) of less is better. So, there may be a class or 2 or 3 that is on the light side but we decided to give each a chance and see where the chips fall.


There are basically 3 stock (trucks/stock/13.5) and 2 mod (19t/4300) classes. We are going to have a schedule for practice in the mornings, noted below. This should help to keep practice a little sane with the different car speeds on the track at different times. Depending on the amount in each class we may adjust the time schedule some after a couple races.


Race Day Schedule
8:00 am Track opens
8:00 – 9:00 Open Practice
9:00 – 9:20 Trucks/13.5 Brushless/Stock - Practice
9:20 – 9:40 4300 Brushless/19t - Practice
9:40 – 10:00 Trucks/13.5 Brushless/Stock - Practice
10:00 – 10:20 4300 Brushless/19t - Practice
10:20 – 10:40 Trucks/13.5 Brushless/Stock - Practice
10:40 – 11:00 4300 Brushless/19t - Practice
11:00 – 11:15 Trucks/13.5 Brushless/Stock - Practice
11:15 – 11:30 4300 Brushless/19t - Practice
11:30 Drivers Meeting
12:00 First Heats


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Complete 2007 ORL Rules here (http://www.outlawracingleague.com/07rules.html)

alright looks good. maybe the extra classes will get a few more people out. i might try to run 2 classes. :thumbsup:

Looks Good!!!! Can't Wait!!!!!!

hey bill any chance you could start a poll to see what class or classes everyone plans to run? i need to know what to RD in Cmon!!! i dont own any brushless stuff,would love to know which way everyone in leaning towards,oh and get your lid right

me and the reed boys will be running orl pro cup stock brushed motor..... :wave:

Pro Cup - Stock Brush will continue to be the largest class.

What do you mean when you say 19 turn motor to be determined.

Either Komodo's or Ultrabirds?

What do you mean when you say 19 turn motor to be determined.
What he means is that the motor is to be determined at a later date!!!! :wave: :wave: lol

I'll have to stay tuned for this one.

Many tracks have switched to the Ultrabird motor so that's a great choice but going to the Komodo might be a better choice since tere is no timing issues with them. My vote will be Komodo.

I guess there isn't anymore feeder classes with truck being abandoned for local tracks to utilize for the ORL's benifit.....New blood is a good thing I thought....19Turn will die again..

the way I read was , Strand was the only track in the ORL coverage area that ran Trucks................. :drunk:

ok...u maybe right....but with the showing last year at our race it gave my local guys a incentive to build one......4 from my track alone..just because no one else at surrounding tracks supports feeder classes doesn't mean you abandon it.. My classes are put together in such a way to groom racers to run the series at least thats our goal....

The truck class I believe was a awesome tool for achieving just that...now as a race director what do I use to my advantage to do the above????? 2 mods 2 stocks??? Wow I wish I had stock in parts?

On the poll questions I didn't see anything leaning toward the trucks being vanquished...I got guys waiting on what motor for brushless leaning toward 13.5 in truck...just waiting for the official announcement....I was total surprised to hear trucks are gone never even seen it coming..

Dave give me a call...

Click below to cast your vote for the 19turn motor poll.

19T Motor Poll (http://outlawracingleague.com/poll.html)

The choice is for either the Komodo Dragon motor which is a locked timing motor or the Ultrabird motor which is an adjustable timing motor. And if you do plan on running the 19turn class but you really don't care which motor is used, there is a choice for you.

I'm sorry Brad for the truck thing. I was personally interested in running the trucks myself, which I had pretty much made public knowledge. But, that didn't seem to help the case for the series. Unfortuanately, as Abdule mentioned, you guys were the only track that was giving the trucks the support it needs, and I do highly appreciate that! But that isn't/wasn't enough to make it work for the series in 2007. Trust me, I'm not looking to make things difficult for you. I would continue with the trucks and/or create a sportsman class that uses the same motor/brushes and leaves the back of the car in.

Yes, new blood is a very important thing, and many tracks don't put enough emphasis into it. This is where that end of it starts. Fortunately you and your track do a very good job of it. This should be well noted. But we've been doing this for many years and we know that the new blood doesn't travel with the series. Often we are lucky that they even come out to race with us when the series does visit thier home track.

The 07 season is going to be a bit of a transition season with the whole brushless thing now arriving. Which way the classes will end up going by the end of the season is anyones guess. We all have our predictions.

The 19t hasn't worked well for us in the past. I've heard every reason in the book why. With having the 4300 brushless class we decided to give it one more shot.

is there a possibility of the orl reopening the truck class if enough of people show up to run them? i'm not saying they will, just throwing it out there.

i'm also curious to see who is going to run what class, that poll idea sounds pretty good. i only ran an orl race one time but was considering running it more this coming season, if i do, i'd like to jump into one of the bigger classes.

thanks

is there a possibility of the orl reopening the truck class if enough of people show up to run them? i'm not saying they will, just throwing it out there.

i'm also curious to see who is going to run what class, that poll idea sounds pretty good. i only ran an orl race one time but was considering running it more this coming season, if i do, i'd like to jump into one of the bigger classes.

thanks

please take no offense to this but i would hope we would not run anything that is not being offered as a regular class all year. i was actually thinking of running a few truck races this year too. but we do not need to run heats that have nothing to do with the point series

Here ya go. 07 ORL Class Poll

http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=165634

Brad,

The Strand is an excellent facility with its own following. And with that continue to run the truck class as your own feeder/ stepping stone type class where people can get there feet wet. Then progress into the stock class then start touring with the ORL. This is how I picture it to be run at your home track and well practiced then start touring. This hobby/ sport was structured to progress as such but it seems more and more people jump in both feet first then lose interest after not doing well.
Just an observation....

I'll have to stay tuned for this one.
another comeback!!!!!!! cmon

I never left just getting ready for The Open Wheel.

please take no offense to this but i would hope we would not run anything that is not being offered as a regular class all year. i was actually thinking of running a few truck races this year too. but we do not need to run heats that have nothing to do with the point series

none taken at all. looking at the orl points list for 2006, all of the classes got pretty light in the summer months... thats pretty much a given around here i guess. but looking at the last race of the season i think there were 16 trucks, did i look at that wrong? i just can't see all of them guys wanting to give up that class, thats what i meant.

We checked with a majority of those that ran the trucks regularly and most had other interests for next season or was fine with adjusting to a different class. Trust me, the decision was not made without alot of thought.

Give me a roll call here, if a truck class was added as a 5th class (same rules as it was this year) who would run? :confused:

Personally, I've really gotten interested in trying the 13.5 brushless so that is what I'm running. Unfortunately not enough were interested in doing it as a truck.

what is the major difference in both because if you read about them they both say equal to a 27turn... before i make the plunge i would like more info thank you :wave:

The 13.5 is similar to a stock motor, the 4300 is similar to a 19turn motor.

The major difference I see is the cost at start up $ 245 for a GTB and 4300, $265 for GTB/13,.5. Brushed speedos MRT $169.95, GTX $160, TEKIN G11 PRO $140. A good CO27 stock motor $38.00. Now the cost comes in with weekly maintenance on the brushed motor. Each TOUR race a new set of brushes $4.00 or $40 for the season +/- $5 depending on who you buy from.To ask someone with a comm lathe to cut your comm, usually FREE. So for a season of stock racing motor, speedo and maintenance $238.00.

To continue to help the guys that sell brushes and they continue to sponsor events-----> PRICELESS.

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What do you mean aaaaaaa?

Open up and say ahhhh? After all Brock from what I've seen your not one to edit words.

Beer soon, but not soon enough, see ya' at the POINTs??? LMK

i turned over a new out look on life john.. in the state of todays world there is now a nice brock so as not to upset anyone... hehehe

yes yes the point are where ever you want we will just have to get alan and go get some brews

A kinder gentler Brock.

Now get get to work getting your chassis' efficient. :wave:

SL

Here is an idea for the truck class. How about make the truck class with 4 Cell Spec batteries and Spec motor with F, R, or S brushes. I believe Arcor runs a class like that. 4 Cell spec is the biggest weekly class at the Strand. A few weeks ago when we were at Marshal's, we ran it and there was lots of interest in that class. Mike, Buck and myself would definatly run it as a second class. It would be a really inexpensive way to run a second class. I would rather pay $15 per pack instead of $40. The new spec packs are much better that the old ones. We have some that are a year old and have barely fallen off. It would also solve the problem of no entry level class.

I have talked to a few people this year that definatly have an interest in running some or all of the ORL races. They are still fairly new and are a little intimidated to to run with the other guys. They were interested in the truck class since it wasn't as competitive. Just an idea. Does anyone else have an interest in this type of truck class?


We checked with a majority of those that ran the trucks regularly and most had other interests for next season or was fine with adjusting to a different class. Trust me, the decision was not made without alot of thought.

Give me a roll call here, if a truck class was added as a 5th class (same rules as it was this year) who would run? :confused:

Personally, I've really gotten interested in trying the 13.5 brushless so that is what I'm running. Unfortunately not enough were interested in doing it as a truck.

Here is an idea for the truck class. How about make the truck class with 4 Cell Spec batteries and Spec motor with F, R, or S brushes. I believe Arcor runs a class like that. 4 Cell spec is the biggest weekly class at the Strand. A few weeks ago when we were at Marshal's, we ran it and there was lots of interest in that class. Mike, Buck and myself would definatly run it as a second class. It would be a really inexpensive way to run a second class. I would rather pay $15 per pack instead of $40. The new spec packs are much better that the old ones. We have some that are a year old and have barely fallen off. It would also solve the problem of no entry level class.

I have talked to a few people this year that definatly have an interest in running some or all of the ORL races. They are still fairly new and are a little intimidated to to run with the other guys. They were interested in the truck class since it wasn't as competitive. Just an idea. Does anyone else have an interest in this type of truck class?
:) :)

if this class were to be started me and the reed boys would run it full time.. so you would have a definite 3 with 2 more possibly when they could :wave:

i like that idea! they run spec trucks alot in VA,and have a great turn out.i hope the orl is strong as always but i cant help but think there is too many clasess? JMO,,, either way i will run as many races as possible! Cmon

if you look at at the results for this class it makes for some very tight racing....refer to link for some results and racing video......

http://www.strandrcracing.com/results1.htm

http://www.strandrcracing.com/videos.htm Bottom video is a spec pan race

track records 68 in stock 65 in spec

that would work for us...cmon bill give it a try :wave:

Hmmmmm....? :rolleyes:

We Checked With Majority Of Those That Ran Trucks Regular. 1 Place Was Not Checked With, 3 Place Was Not Check With, 11 Place Was Not Checked With. Who Was The Majority?

I Think I Still Have A Choice. So Maybe I Do A Brock ,drink Beer And Write Songs Or Just Pack It In.

i like that idea. count me in for 4 cell spec pan.... i don't care what body it is. you can't ask for a better 2nd class to run. the motors and batteries last all year long without having to be touched. it'd be pretty funny to see that class end up being bigger than stock :D

I like the truck idea. Keep the same body rules as this past year. I am just thinking if people are spending way less on batteries, they can afford to travel more.....

Brad, Bill and Frank,

Thanks for bringing up the feeder class idea.

Here is the dilemna I/we face. My 9 year old wants to race. Getting him the car/truck etc is not a big deal but what class should he run? He has just as little talent as his old man but still does not realize that you sometimes have to slow down to go faster. Is it fair to Frank etc. for me to take an old 10L, put a truck body on it and send him out with you guys? The trucks are a great idea but I have another suggestion that the ORL could make part of the official program.

How about a "Beginner" class like the Mill used to have? No real rules just true first timers and kids out to learn, have fun and enjoy the sport. It would not matter if it was a losi XXXt or 10L or TC3 just make it a rule that this "Beginner" class was to be made available at all ORL events. There would be no points, maybe ORL ribbons at each event.

If enough want the truck class thats great but you will need to plan to have 3 of my 4 kids in there with you.....That is unless you want them in stock.....lol

Thank You for Listening

Peter

the only thing i would change is the battery connector ends.. the tamiya plug end gets too hot lets use any type connector..thats the only change..just my 2 cents... :wave:

Brad, Bill and Frank,

Thanks for bringing up the feeder class idea.

Here is the dilemna I/we face. My 9 year old wants to race. Getting him the car/truck etc is not a big deal but what class should he run? He has just as little talent as his old man but still does not realize that you sometimes have to slow down to go faster. Is it fair to Frank etc. for me to take an old 10L, put a truck body on it and send him out with you guys? The trucks are a great idea but I have another suggestion that the ORL could make part of the official program.

How about a "Beginner" class like the Mill used to have? No real rules just true first timers and kids out to learn, have fun and enjoy the sport. It would not matter if it was a losi XXXt or 10L or TC3 just make it a rule that this "Beginner" class was to be made available at all ORL events. There would be no points, maybe ORL ribbons at each event.

If enough want the truck class thats great but you will need to plan to have 3 of my 4 kids in there with you.....That is unless you want them in stock.....lol

Thank You for Listening

Peter

The ORL series isn't a place for a 9 year old too start with.. The ORL is I believe and as explained for me is for the racers that have stepped up and want to compete on a level that I believe is second to none..Top drivers run in this series and have the EXPERIENCE and know how to get around any track at a very fast rate...the place for your 9 year old is a local track to get the laps he needs and a atmosphere were he can excel..if you was to put him in the series most not all would be very discouraged after there first experience..The local tracks are very important for beginners and the track also.. for the above reasons...the series I believe is for the topguns and the people that have a race program that is very competitive...this class that I am showing is a competitive class and very tight..at our track the entry level class for your son would be specpan sportsman same class and rules but on a level more suited for his ability as a driver...I'm not proposing a rookie class by any means..I believe this class is the same calibur as any given class in the series currently..As far as your 9 year old he is more than welcome at our track and that is what I suggest or any local track that runs on a weekly basis and offers a awesome entry level class like the one or similiar to the above...

the only thing i would change is the battery connector ends.. the tamiya plug end gets too hot lets use any type connector..thats the only change..just my 2 cents... :wave:


The connectors I believe is a very important rule...this is a class that you can take anywhere and race...if you start changing stuff then your making a ORL specific class..please be careful when thinking about changing rules around...this class is structured already and most of all tried and tested and works...