I'll admit it, each time I watch the scene where Col. Tigh get off the raptor on Galactica and address Adama, I tear up.

In that scene, Adama is the hero, carried on peoples shoulders to chants of 'Adama Adama Adama....' Tigh is almost forgotten.

Adama give Tigh credit "You brought them home Saul" recognizing the huge effort of getting the populace ready for a quick exit. Its a little sad that others don't realize that a little more.

Col. Tigh clearly came out of this whole situation the worst. He lost an eye, he had to kill his own wife. (look at your own wives and try to imagine a situation where you HAD to do that) And the pain of others who were simply killed in the escape attempt. This man is a wreck now. It will be very interesting to see how this charactor develops from here on out.

Another loss of note was of course the Pegasus. This was certainly no suprise.
"All this has happened before and all this will happen again" This mantra stated in the show works outside the show as well. One only has to look to the old show to see how things go on the new show. Though it doesn't happen in the same order or in the same way, everything does happen.

In the old show, Galactica is in dire straights during the battle and Pegasus suprises the cylons and causes the Cylons to withdraw saving Galactica.

New show......Galactica is in dire straights and Pegasus shows up suprising Adama and the Cylons and saves Galactica by giving her time to fix her FTL and escape.

Again in the old show, Pegasus takes on three basestars by herself and closes to 'blank range' and takes out two of the three basestars.
In the new show....Pegasus REALLY closes to blank range and takes out two basestars.

What was lost with Pegasus....
People have wondered what was lost with the Pegaus in terms of manufacturing ability. I find it interesting that Pegasus could manufacture her own Vipers. It does make sence, but is she able to take the raw materials and make her own supplies necessary to make said Vipers.
We already know that the fleet was able to make its own ammo prior to Pegasus' arrival.

Early in the show, Lee pointed out that he only had 'X' number of Vipers and 'X' pilots. This is a dramatic point as in previous shows, there seems to be a never ending supply of stuff. As long as thre are people, new pilots can be trained. Here, there are/were only 'X' vipers. And where each one was destroyed, that ment that there was one less to defend the fleet. Obviously with the Pegasus arrival, there was an influx of Mk. VII's and she also made more, possibly with the help of fleet raw materials.
Now with Pegasus gone, were back to a finite number of Vipers (albiet more Mk. VII's) I hope as the show goes on, they keep track of this and use its implications.

Pegasus was containing the fleets emergency supply of 'meds'.
Hopefully this and other stuff was off-loaded before Lee brought the Pegasus to New Caprica.

Supplies in General: A LOT of stuff was left behind on new caprica.
The people may be back on the ships and away from the Cylons, but they may be worse off supply-wise then ever. (I thought the show was getting too soft when people could just order drinks on Cloud 9 and have a good time).

Baltar: Again, from the old show, Baltar was with the Cylons, so it was only a matter of time before Baltar winds up with the Cylons on the new show. He's pretty much screwed himself of any chance of living among the humans again, so out of survival, he'll stay with the Cylons and help them (though maybe begruginly at first). Until such time that he has to link up with the humans and then become a prisioner as per the old show.

Probably the best TV SciFi episode of ANY KIND I've ever seen! Im glad I didnt give up on this show. Im totally in awe.

Man, When Tigh's voice breaks- "Not all of them", it just tears me up inside. 3 times so far......

I have a feeling that Lee had Pegasus stripped as far as he could before the suicide return to New Caprica - notice that there were only about four evac Raptors, and those things can only hold a handful of people each. He must have been running that ship the way Kirk ran the Enterprise in TSFS. How many people were in CiC besides himself and Dualla? One?

I have a feeling that Lee had Pegasus stripped as far as he could before the suicide return to New Caprica - notice that there were only about four evac Raptors, and those things can only hold a handful of people each. He must have been running that ship the way Kirk ran the Enterprise in TSFS. How many people were in CiC besides himself and Dualla? One?

I thought there were seven Raptors that left Peg? Even at that, assuming say 10 people per Raptor that's only 70 people off at the time of the attack.
Cain did say the Pegasus was twice the ship requiring half the crew so there must have been alot of automation.

Col. Tigh is now my favorite character in the show next to Adama. His character had some of the most dramatic and touching scenes so far.

This show is just impossibly good, and Friday nights are great again.

I just wonder what they can do to top that episode? It's gonna be tough.

What's the command structure now? Lee or Tigh as XO? Cat or Starbuck as CAG? Roslyn or Zerrick as President?

j

I only saw 4 Raptors, but that was out of the port nacelle :P

Collaborators? What a let down! Last week everything I could wish for and now an underwhelming boring episode about a circle of vengence? Could they have picked a less predjidised jury? I could barely stay awake. Dang. I guess I must not get it. They probably blew the whole seasons budget on last weeks episode. This show will be like Smallville for me, in that maybe 4 episodes per season really capture my imagination. Im tired of being let down. (JMHO)

Collaborators? What a let down! Last week everything I could wish for and now an underwhelming boring episode about a circle of vengence? Could they have picked a less predjidised jury? I could barely stay awake. Dang. I guess I must not get it. They probably blew the whole seasons budget on last weeks episode. This show will be like Smallville for me, in that maybe 4 episodes per season really capture my imagination. Im tired of being let down. (JMHO)

I agree with you on this. Much of what's happen has been predictable mostly based on WWII scenarios. The series has turned mostly into a Soap Opera type drama with very little emphasis on Sci-Fi and visuals. For me, it's te visuals that make each episode re-watchable like Star Wars.

Granted, the second half of Exodus gave us "The Great Escape" with the ships lifting off and the destruction of the Pegasus for all of 10 minutes, then it's back to the WWII style drama that could have happened on 21 century earth.

I really believe that the writers are good at borrowing from drama already been done and don't have the imagination to really take this show where it could go. We have a fleet of ships going into the unknown sections of space with an unlimited sci-fi fx and enigmatic possible scenarios but they concentrate more on jealousy, back-stabbing, and finger-pointing stories. Heck, the 1960's Outer Limits offered better stories. The best example of this was the episode of the white sphere found on the moon being pursued by a larger white sphere. Lots of drama, fx and myster/intrigue.
Wish I could remember the name of the episode.

... For me, it's te visuals that make each episode re-watchable like Star Wars....We have a fleet of ships going into the unknown sections of space with an unlimited sci-fi fx and enigmatic possible scenarios but they concentrate more on jealousy, back-stabbing, and finger-pointing stories. Heck, the 1960's Outer Limits offered better stories.

I hope I don't sound like I'm putting you down, 'cuz I don't mean this as a put down, but which BSG have you been watching? The one I've been watching is almost not sci-fi at all, never has been, and that's what makes it so good, at least to me. I should say, this show is not "about" sci-fi, but it's a contemporary drama placed in a sci-fi setting, that's all. The ships and effects are certainly cool, but what I care about are the characters.

I can't be the only one who wanted to see how Tigh's experiences on NC had changed him, and I'm sure I'm not alone in being disappointed that he's become a more deeply entrenched and bitter a-hole for it instead of becoming a more compassionate person. He has a long way to go. THAT is the journey of Battlestar Galactica. It's not about the ships or even the Cylons. BTW, I wish Tigh would get a proper I patch.

FWIW, I also don't see this as a go-back-and-watch-old-episodes kinda show. At least for me, I have no interest. I want to see what's next!

Just my $0.02.

John O.

BTW, I wish Tigh would get a proper I patch.


Is Apple making those now?
"Be blind in one eye AND listen to music with the new iPatch!" :D

Is Apple making those now?
"Be blind in one eye AND listen to music with the new iPatch!" :D

LOL. :D LOL. I didn't even realize I'd done that! Too funny. Maybe it's kinda true though - Tigh's such a grumpy dude maybe he needs a big fat "I" patch over his reprehensible personality, hopefully to go with his new (please, please, please) eye patch. ;)

John O.

True, an I-patch would suit his persona- angry pirate dude. I don't think Adama would keep Tigh on as XO with his loathing and bitterness. Maybe he could mutiny and lead a renegade fleet! Also glad no more Adama-stash! Now lose the fat suits and get back in the vipers and start kickin' some toaster butt!

...get back in the vipers and start kickin' some toaster butt!
Will this become The Battle for the Planet of the Toasters?

I hope I don't sound like I'm putting you down, 'cuz I don't mean this as a put down, but which BSG have you been watching? The one I've been watching is almost not sci-fi at all, never has been, and that's what makes it so good, at least to me. I should say, this show is not "about" sci-fi, but it's a contemporary drama placed in a sci-fi setting, that's all. The ships and effects are certainly cool, but what I care about are the characters.


Just my $0.02.

John O.

No offense taken. I appreciate your input. It sounds like we both agree it's lousy sci-fi. good drama built around politics, spies, and self-centered ambitous people, but lousy sci-fi. For me, the show goes too much out of the way to minimize the sci-fi surroundings. Even the phones on the bridge are "wired" into the consols and the civilians wear suits/ties like they came off wall street, NYC.

Even the phones on the bridge are "wired" into the consols and the civilians wear suits/ties like they came off wall street, NYC.

I'm probably gonna tell you something you've heard a hundred times, but I'll do it any way. The suits/ties and other common civilian clothing, weapons with bullets, phones with wires, all that stuff that is mundane and familiar to viewers is there by intent. I think you're saying you don't like it so much, and I can repect that, but I think it works in helping the characters feel like "they are us".

An aspect that I've liked about the Stargate shows is that they are set in the present. No waiting for humanity to develop staships three or four hundred years in the future, the men & women of the US Air Force are out exploring the universe and defending Earth from the baddies TODAY!

Since their is no earth-based time reference in BSG, the BSG folks cleverly give us the same sense of the present by using select current costume styles and props; books, clothing with buttons, table lamps with shades, and nice furniture where appropriate. Even Colonial One feels like contemporary jet liners I've spent too many hours on. I think it all works. YMMV.

John O.

It sounds like we both agree it's lousy sci-fi.

I don't know, I find the whole Cylon/ human crossbreeding subplot to be a pretty provocative concept. The question of what constitutes "human" is a sci-fi staple, and it's very much at the heart of this series.

I agree that BSG is first and foremost a drama, but I strongly disagree with those who think its bad sci-fi. Bicker about the art direction all you like, but this series has a lot on its mind with regard to the nature and future of the human race.

There's more going on than meets the eye.

I don't know, I find the whole Cylon/ human crossbreeding subplot to be a pretty provocative concept. The question of what constitutes "human" is a sci-fi staple, and it's very much at the heart of this series.

I agree that BSG is first and foremost a drama, but I strongly disagree with those who think its bad sci-fi. Bicker about the art direction all you like, but this series has a lot on its mind with regard to the nature and future of the human race.

There's more going on than meets the eye.

It's funny you should mention about the cross breeding subplot. This brings to mind of what Hitler and the Nazi party also had their ideas about what constituted the human "Master Race" based on blond hair/blue eyes, etc. On the History Channel, there was a whole show devoted to how the SS had an obligation to give the third Reich 4 children. Also, any woman bearing a child born out of wedlock to an SS officer was given a place to stay and given pre/post natal care. Children born to the SS were consider "superior".

They even went as far as defining who was Jewish and not based mixed marriages around religion to decide to to exterminate and who to keep.. I agree, it's provocative, but not new. It's another parallel with WWII I pointed out earlier in another thread.

Would that be a red sweeping electronic eye? ;)

SPOILERS!!



After watching the latest episode I wondered how old Tigh must feel about his wife's death and the other "executions" in light of President Roslyn's general amnesty. "What have I done?"
I got the feeling that Tom Zarek really felt that his clandestine jury was a safe solution.
I also got the feeling that he had genuine admiration for Roslyn's general amnesty idea.

Huzz

I hope I don't sound like I'm putting you down, 'cuz I don't mean this as a put down, but which BSG have you been watching? The one I've been watching is almost not sci-fi at all, never has been, and that's what makes it so good, at least to me. I should say, this show is not "about" sci-fi, but it's a contemporary drama placed in a sci-fi setting, that's all. The ships and effects are certainly cool, but what I care about are the characters.
John O.

That's all and good, but when you have a series on the Sci-Fi channel, which is a reimagining of a 1970's Sci-fi television series, which in and of itself was focused on a Starship and it's journey to find a fabled planet called "Earth"...people tend to expect to see the starships, battles and explosions. They expect it to be Sci-Fi.

Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of BSG, and I do like the drama and the character development. I also feel that the 'modern technology' we see lends an extra air of credibility to the show. You feel this could be really happening today.

But drama and characters aside, I also feel the producers are intentionally trying to distance themselves from being thought of as science fiction.. everything I've seen calls it the best 'drama' on television. Well, the majority fans are there because it is a science fiction show.. it's what we've known all along and that is what brought me to watch it in the first place, and I personally want to see more of the ships, more missions for the viper crews beyond the token 15 scond battles with cylong raiders every 10th episode.

One of the tactics that had me awestruck was the Vipers manuevering in 3-dimensions... I finally got to see a space fighter that acts like it belongs in space, not swooping arcs like you see in today's figher aircraft, but pivoting on it's center axis to immediately turn around and re-engage the enemy. I want to see more of that.

I'll happily take the drama, but I also want and expect a good dose of Sci-Fi F/X along with it.

I'll happily take the drama, but I also want and expect a good dose of Sci-Fi F/X along with it.

I'm strongly of the opinion that BSG delivers all of the above. That's what makes it so remarkable.

I I agree, it's provocative, but not new.

It’s not the job of science-fiction to invent new themes, but to explore old ones in fresh ways. BSG does this more successfully than any “sci-fi” show I’ve ever seen.

Not bad for a drama.

That's all and good, but when you have a series on the Sci-Fi channel, which is a reimagining of a 1970's Sci-fi television series, which in and of itself was focused on a Starship and it's journey to find a fabled planet called "Earth"...people tend to expect to see the starships, battles and explosions. They expect it to be Sci-Fi..

While I certainly love a good space battle, I don't think this show would do so well if it relied on that too much. Old Galactica fans came on board first because it was Galactica. New fans are coming on board for (sure f/x) drama and story. Its attracting people who are not normally sci-fi viewers, which is good for the sci-fi genra as a whole.

Not to upset you, but space battles and FX don't make a show sci-fi. As I said, I love a good space battle, but quite frankly, if thats all you've got then its 'dumbed down' sci-fi. A friend is always trying to get me to read sci-fi litrature which is really far out in terms of ideas and it doesn't rely on lasers and exploding spaceships.

If there was a space battle with the Cylons every week, it would get pretty boring with a 'one track' mindset.

The other thing that makes this show so good is the lack of the 'alien of the week' as in Trek. I'm freak'n aliened-out. The constsant aliens of Trek is something that I think turned a lot of people off to that type of sci-fi. As Tigh has said, 'the univrese is a pretty barren place'. So it makes sence that they aren't going to always run into any.
HOWEVER......
I think Ron Moore has said that their won't be any aliens in this show.
BUT......
If they did any aliens, then I think they should only do it once and if they did, they should do the Ovians. As with other BSG themes, just use the basic premise, forget about the casino etc......
Think about how hardcore this show has been so far. Then think about what the Ovians were doing in the TOS pilot. Now think about what our new BSG writers would do with this. The new Ovians would be over the top hardcore and lots of people wouldn't be coming back. Scare the crap out of you as to whats out there and hope you don't run into any more aliens.
And do it only once.

Those of you who want drama and not much Sci-Fi then watch ECW on the Sci-Fi channel Tues. night at 9pm Central Time (check your local time). In my opinion, the insanity of the programmers to add this to the Sci-fi lineup mirrors something out of the Twilight Zone...Duh !!:freak:

Not to upset you, but space battles and FX don't make a show sci-fi. As I said, I love a good space battle, but quite frankly, if thats all you've got then its 'dumbed down' sci-fi.

*cough* What's happened to Trek *cough*

By fanboys for fanboys: www.bringkirkback.com (http://www.bringkirkback.com)

...

Think about how hardcore this show has been so far. Then think about what the Ovians were doing in the TOS pilot. Now think about what our new BSG writers would do with this. The new Ovians would be over the top hardcore and lots of people wouldn't be coming back. Scare the crap out of you as to whats out there and hope you don't run into any more aliens.
And do it only once.

Here , here......I agree. The TOS BG was tamed like other shows of the decade by the more conservtive censors we had at the time. The original story of BG did mention surviving the Alliance while trying to find Earth. It was also mentioned that the Cylons enslaved other races. I wouldn't expect a new alien every week, but the constant bickering between the human survivors is getting old for me really quick.

IMHO, I really don't think that the few survivors of the Human race in mostly civilian ships can continue to evade and fight the whole Cylon military. They need to find at least one ally to help them off to a good start. I think it's just about time to meet one now that Laura has put an end to the Calloborators episode. I think it's time for the survivors to re-group, re-organize and move on with a new united sense of purpose

Not to upset you, but space battles and FX don't make a show sci-fi. As I said, I love a good space battle, but quite frankly, if thats all you've got then its 'dumbed down' sci-fi. A friend is always trying to get me to read sci-fi litrature which is really far out in terms of ideas and it doesn't rely on lasers and exploding spaceships.

If there was a space battle with the Cylons every week, it would get pretty boring with a 'one track' mindset.

Not upset in the least. Yes I do agree that some very good sci-fi stories have very little of the blasters/spaceships/explosions. One of my favorite books series is Bio of a Space Tyrant by Piers Anthony. Take the cold war geo-political situation and put it on the scale of the solar system and you have the layout of the series. The human story was the driving force, not the whiz-bang gizmos.

That point is not what I am debating. I'm merely saying you have a show called Battlestar Galactica, then I for one am in favor in seeing the Battlestar do the job she was built for just a *little* more often.

Do we need a battle every week? Certainly not. Do we need the alien race du jour? Nope. Do we need a Daggit?.... maybe.. JUST KIDDING!

At least we don't have a Wesley Crusher in this series.

Edward James Olmos is still on record as being utterly opposed to bringing in any aliens...and the show can't afford to have him walk. I think a very, very well done alien story (like the Ovian idea above) could get through...but it would have to be a one-shot.

My personal opinion based on the statistical evidence is that there have to be other civilizations out there, but probably not a lot. Jack McDevitt has some great stories out there about future archaeology, first contacts, and the like. My mother has no love of sci-fi, and she really enjoyed the copy of "Ancient Shores" that I gave her to read. I could definately see some of McDevitt's stories taking place in the BSG-verse.

I really disagree with the idea fans don't want space battles or aliens. Wow. Its not even about the Battlestar anymore. Rewatch the mini-series. It promised more. Its not delivering. People are dropping off the bandwagon week by week. This show needs space battles and aliens. And the Imperious Leader. Where are the bubble-gum headed Imperious Leaders? Where is Baltars floating chair? We all want good Sci-Fi. No Daggit though. That would be wrong.

Its not even about the Battlestar anymore.


No, it's about the people aboard the Battlestar. IMO that's a good thing.

I have nothing against a good space battle, and the new BSG has certainly delivered on that front. The fact that the producers aren't inclined to insert a battle sequence into each and every episode is, IMO, another good thing.

By the way, the ratings, while not phenomenal, are holding their own. Considering the upscale demographic, the series is likely to be around a while longer.

Feel free to jump off the bandwagon if you don't like the scenery, but from where I'm sitting the view is pretty frackin' cool.

Carson, I understand your point. I am a weekly watcher and big fan simply stating his preferences. Trust me when I tell you water cooler talk is slowing on this promising series.

My chief concern is that the show will begin to sputter and die before they discover Earth as the original "Ancient Astronauts" and we will have spent all this time watching the fleet argue politics. I don't know if that makes sence or not. Just MHO

My chief concern is that the show will begin to sputter and die before they discover Earth as the original "Ancient Astronauts"

I understand where you're coming from, but think of it like a family vacation; more often than not, getting there is all the fun. ;)

I really disagree with the idea fans don't want space battles or aliens.

I'm gonna disagree with you're assertion that space battles are what have viewers coming to BSG ...or any sci-fi. The reason I come back to any show are the relationships between the characters and the honesty of the story telling. "Enterprise" had plenty of great effects, but not a drop of honesty - couldn't stand it.

Even more, imagine the nerve it takes to not cave in and have an alien of the week like every sci-fi show to date. I think it's a fresh approach to say, "well, maybe the universe is all empty space except for us ...and now we really have to deal with each other, no distractions." No-one else has done it (on film) and I hope they don't jerk a knee.


Its not even about the Battlestar anymore.

I think that's a good thing. While the Enterprise was certainly a character of a sort, when Star Trek was good, it was never about the ship. I see the makers of BSG using the title "Battlestar Galactica" the way Eisenstein used the title "Battleship Potemkin". There certainly is a battleship at the center of "Battleship Potemkin" but that ain't what it's about!

John O.

No aliens? I was just thinking how this BG fits in with the DUNE universe. People went out into the stars, never found any other race, settled on various planets and became lost and alien to each other. The back story is that of a war between humans and 'thinking machines', which led to a complete ban of computers. Face Dancers mimic the look of humans.
All you need is a guest appearance of a desert planet.

Its not even about the Battlestar anymore.

I think that's a good thing. While the Enterprise was certainly a character of a sort, when Star Trek was good, it was never about the ship. I see the makers of BSG using the title "Battlestar Galactica" the way Eisenstein used the title "Battleship Potemkin". There certainly is a battleship at the center of "Battleship Potemkin" but that ain't what it's about!

John O.

I'm trying to not quote anyone here out of context but here's my take. John, I used your note only as an example to not have to quote everyone. Nothing personal.

I agree with the premise that Star Trek is was not about the Enterprise, but rather it was about the mission.....To seek out new life, new civilizations. Yes, there was some drama, and comedy for that matter, for the purpose of character building but the show stuck to the main mission of finding and interacting with other civilizations, new contacts, an exploring unknown space to go where no one has gone before. My personal favorite was Deep Space 9 which always seemed to have the perfect balance of drama, sci-fi tech, battles, exploration, ships, politics, and some comedy relief. I was genuinelly sad to see that show end.

With BG, I also agree it's not about the ship except that it follows the storyline of being the last surviving battlestar (after the Pegesus was destroyed). The premise of the show is about finding Earth. I think the show got off to a good start but has gotten too far off the track of the main mission of the show. Lately, the whole New Caprica thing left me breathing a sigh of relief that whole New Caprica sub-plot is finally over and they are finally back on their way to resume the mission. It was kinda the same feeling I had when Voyager - finally - left Kazon space and moved on to the original story of trying to get home. I couldn't believe that Kazon space was so big that it took a whole season to get out.

No aliens? I was just thinking how this BG fits in with the DUNE universe. People went out into the stars, never found any other race, settled on various planets and became lost and alien to each other. Damn. I forgot about Dune. Ya, that would be two on film then. I actually think being alone in the Universe is a more far humbling/frightening prospect than finding friends (or enemies) in every tenth solar system. Anyone ever read "Glory"? Not the best written sci-fi, but a pretty grim view of the future with us as the Universe's only thinking inhabitants.

John O.

I agree with the premise that Star Trek is was not about the Enterprise, but rather it was about the mission.....To seek out new life, new civilizations. Yes, there was some drama, and comedy for that matter, for the purpose of character building but the show stuck to the main mission of finding and interacting other civilizations, new contacts, an exploring unknown space to go where no one has gone before. My personal favorite was Deep Space 9 which always seemed to have the perfect balance of drama, sci-fi tech, battles, exploration, ships, politics, and some comedy relief. I was genuinelly sad to see that show end.

That's just it, though. The theme was different. Trek was anchored on the premise that it was seeking new life and new civilization. It was expected that they hit those themes on a regular basis. When Trek was good, it had a balance of human drama, humor and intriguing aliens. TOS was phenomal because of its intriguing optimism.

Galactica is about surviving: not only from the Cylons but also from the elements and each other. This is a pretty grim premise to base a show on; if anything, it attempts to mirror life for many of us on this planet. IMO it does that very well.

One of the tactics that had me awestruck was the Vipers manuevering in 3-dimensions... I finally got to see a space fighter that acts like it belongs in space, not swooping arcs like you see in today's figher aircraft, but pivoting on it's center axis to immediately turn around and re-engage the enemy. I want to see more of that.

Watch Babylon 5. Starfurys did it years ago.

Does anyone know if the show is bound to generally follow the old series storyline, as the Dark Shadows remake did ( to it's detriment )? I hope not. I'd really like to see it go it's own direction and avoid the mess the old BSG became. I find the show relatively boring, but it's about all there is.

Watch Babylon 5. Starfurys did it years ago.

Does anyone know if the show is bound to generally follow the old series storyline, as the Dark Shadows remake did ( to it's detriment )? I hope not. I'd really like to see it go it's own direction and avoid the mess the old BSG became. I find the show relatively boring, but it's about all there is.

Well, I personally would like for the show to explore the Cylons a bit more. It's hard for me to believe that a bunch of walking robots defeated the Human race. There has to be some more to them besides the few models adoped to infiltrate the Humans. I"m thinking along the lines of Starship Troopers in that there must be some "brain bug" equivalent cause all we've seen is walking robots, robot fighters and some cloned humans. There's got to be more to them. I'd rather learn more about them than sit thru another election.

I agree. I would like to see more of the history of the Cylons. I like to know the see the last models identified and some more back story as to how the whole downloading process works.

Whats the poop on the Caprica mini? Are they going forward with that? May fill in alot of the story to date. Maybe.

j

Does anyone know if the show is bound to generally follow the old series storyline, as the Dark Shadows remake did ( to it's detriment )? I hope not. I'd really like to see it go it's own direction and avoid the mess the old BSG became. I find the show relatively boring, but it's about all there is.
Sorry to hear that you find BSG boring. Too much plot, I guess? Me, I like a show with good plot and character development and feel that Moore and Eick have given us a great deal of both.

To answer your question, I'm kind of thinking that TNS is no longer following the general story arc of TOS. I think that they pretty much stopped w/the finding of Pegasus. There are still one or two stories from TOS that I think could be adapted to TNS with a small amount of re-working, but feel that there's really no need to utilize any plot points from TOS to further the series.

Sorry to hear that you find BSG boring. Too much plot, I guess? Me, I like a show with good plot and character development and feel that Moore and Eick have given us a great deal of both.

To answer your question, I'm kind of thinking that TNS is no longer following the general story arc of TOS. I think that they pretty much stopped w/the finding of Pegasus. There are still one or two stories from TOS that I think could be adapted to TNS with a small amount of re-working, but feel that there's really no need to utilize any plot points from TOS to further the series.

I'd like to see what they would do with the story arc of the War of the Gods storyline.

Too much plot, I guess?


No. Too much plod.

I think what Galactica has given us is absolutely fantastic and a breath of fresh air. It's a nice change to see people act like people and talk realistic dialog. It's great to have a space drama that is able to hurl it's stories forward without 15 pages of technobabble about how the FTL drive works.

Of course we all love stories that have lots of gunplay and ships blowing up, but the reality is you'd get bored real quick if that happened every week. Galactica is great sci-fi-just different from the standard definition of sci-fi. It goes beyond sci-fi and is simply put-good filmmaking. Personally, I really like the 'normal' episodes. It gives you a good chance to get into the characters. It also gives them a chance to store up some FX funds which is good, because when they do bust out, they go all the way!

I'd like to see what they would do with the story arc of the War of the Gods storyline.

I personally would prefer that they steer completely away from the whole "Ship of Lights" storyline (which in essence starts with "War of the Gods"). That arc was a clumsy attempt at a "guardian watching over us" mythos, which was executed a lot better by other dramas like Highway to Heaven, Quantum Leap or Babylon 5... hell, even Enterprise did it better.

There are still one or two stories from TOS that I think could be adapted to TNS with a small amount of re-working

You mean like "Fire in Space" or "The Young Lords"? ;)

Now I understand.

I personally would prefer that they steer completely away from the whole "Ship of Lights" storyline (which in essence starts with "War of the Gods"). That arc was a clumsy attempt at a "guardian watching over us" mythos, which was executed a lot better by other dramas like Highway to Heaven, Quantum Leap or Babylon 5... hell, even Enterprise did it better.




I believe "one possible reason" this concept of some super race watching humans is so popular in sci-fi and fantasy is that it relates back to one of several text written during our own biblical times. In addition to the dead sea scrolls and our own christian bibles(Old and New Testaments), there was a little publicized book called the "Book of Jubilees" (sp?).

In this context, a "jubilee" is a measure of time(like a Century or Millenium) of about 500 years, hence the plural of jubilees means several consecutive periods of 500 years each. In this book, most of the events described in the Bible such as Genesis, Eden, etc. mirror the Bible(with some differences) that happened in the various jubilees(first Jubilee, second Jubilee, etc). It also refers to the "Watchers". The Book of Jubilees makes a marked distinction of Angels and the Watchers as being two separate things, not the same. The provocative mystery is "who/what are the Watchers mentioned in the book"?

I don't claim to be an expert on the Book of Jubilees but only what I've read of summaries of the book on the internet when I first learned about it.

You mean like "Fire in Space" or "The Young Lords"? ;)
Actually, the one where Apollo was stranded on the planet - title escapes me - might not be too bad if they were to introduce the idea of other colony worlds out there.

Actually, the one where Apollo was stranded on the planet - title escapes me - might not be too bad if they were to introduce the idea of other colony worlds out there.

I believe you're talking about the "The Long Patrol" where Starbuck fliew a superfast, non-armed viper with a computer control named C.O.R.A..

There was another episode where Starbuck was permanently stranded while he and a Cylon saved a girl and her baby in the horrible series "Galactica 1980".

No, actually I was referring to the episode "The Lost Warrior" in which Apollo crash-lands his Viper on a "backwater" world and encounters a Cylon Centurion with "brain damage" working as an enforcer for a local hood. It was the first "regular" episode after "Lost Planet of the Gods". I think with some minor adaptation/updating they could use the basic plot for a story in TNS.

They could also use "Take the Celestra"'s basic plot, I think. Doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to my thinking that some of the folks in the RTF might be tired of running and there could easily be a "tyrant" running a ship - we've already seen there's a smuggling ring working the Fleet! - and someone deciding to mutiny against said "tyrant".

Battlestar Wiki's List of TOS BSG Episodes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Battlestar_Galactica_%281978-1980%29_episodes) has a plot synopsis. I think they might also be able to pull one or two others not mentioned if they lead up to them well enough. "Greetings From Earth" and the subsequent "Experiment in Terra" might be re-worked for TNS, methinks.

Heck, they could even salvage the basic plot of "Fire In Space" if they could come up with a plausible excuse not to just blow the baffles/airlocks in the flight pods like they did in the Miniseries. As long as there's no "Muffey" to throw the cute-factor in I think they could do it.