I have followed the posts on Hobby Talk for some time now and I have been in this hobby for over 5 years. After looking at the Race events, I see very little ROAR or ARCOR races? Do we really need these two organizations? What purpose are they serving? Other than making rules? I have also noticed that depending on the area a race is taking place, the rules vary tremendously? If this is why we need these organizations, then why can't the tracks at least follow these rules?

One example is the Oval Masters race. ARCOR has banned Kisbey as a 19T winder, yet this race will allows these motors? What rules is this race running by? ROAR or ARCOR? I would assume that ARCOR had just cause to ban this winder, yet ROAR has done nothing and the Oval Masters, is allowing these motors?

When I go to any thread about Spec racing I can find numerous versions. Some tracks run the pan cars and some run the S/K? ARCOR has a spec class and ROAR doesn't. I am within driving distance of either type of racing, but which car do I buy for Spec racing?

Am I the only one seeing that these organizations have no direct input with their rules, to unify any form of oval racing?

Well Carlos, Mencia is it??


I think brushless is changing everything bad with this sport for rules..Brl series is awesome exept for the no wing i 13.5 class, and no back cut out.... I personally hate that rule.. Roar has quite a few races.. There also involved in the world's and other stuff. its a pretty big deal.. arcor is smaller and seems to have lost some ground as of late.. there only oval.. all big NON sanctioned races will always be the best races.. is not a matter of the rules... Its a matter of what races you choose to race..

I have followed the posts on Hobby Talk for some time now and I have been in this hobby for over 5 years. After looking at the Race events, I see very little ROAR or ARCOR races? Do we really need these two organizations? What purpose are they serving? Other than making rules? I have also noticed that depending on the area a race is taking place, the rules vary tremendously? If this is why we need these organizations, then why can't the tracks at least follow these rules?Tracks can follow anything they want. If they pull racers without a rules set then so be it. The only ROAR event you will see in oval-land is the Carpet and Paved Nationals each year. There used to be region races but attendance has been so low they have died off. ARCOR is more hands on that ROAR is when it comes to oval. They at least have racer votes, on rule changes, product approval, etc

One example is the Oval Masters race. ARCOR has banned Kisbey as a 19T winder, yet this race will allows these motors? What rules is this race running by? ROAR or ARCOR? I would assume that ARCOR had just cause to ban this winder, yet ROAR has done nothing and the Oval Masters, is allowing these motors? Once again ARCOR is more hands on, they read about the suspect Kisbey motor and took action. ROAR is not going to ban any winder because they approve motors based on teardown, not who winds the arms like ARCOR does. The Ovalmasters, much like the Snowbirds follow common sense oval rules. Body Height 4 1/4", ride height 3/16 or 1/4", 40oz, etc. Allow one motor for the stock class. Make 19T a handout or if its a bring your own, make it ARCOR/ROAR handwound version.

When I go to any thread about Spec racing I can find numerous versions. Some tracks run the pan cars and some run the S/K? ARCOR has a spec class and ROAR doesn't. I am within driving distance of either type of racing, but which car do I buy for Spec racing? I would travel to both tracks and see which track you can race both types of car at. For instance if Track A runs both pan car and SK and Track B only runs pan car. I would go the pan car route to get more use out of the car you have.

Am I the only one seeing that these organizations have no direct input with their rules, to unify any form of oval racing?was confused with this comment. If you look at ROAR and ARCOR the basic rules are pretty much the same.

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I could only imagine what it would be like with out these organizations.............

Oval, whats oval racing...... with out ARCOR especially being only oval racing, but thats just my opinion.............

Although ARCOR has not spread nation wide, like I had hoped it would (I haven't done much to help this spread) but JB does a great job staying up with the ever changing face of oval racing. Unlike Judy Beaver (Creator of ARCOR) after leaving NORRCA when she formed a OVAL ONLY organization, I created a OVAL ONLY travelling race series. She's in Tennessee, I'm in California. Both of us have worked hard in our ways to KEEP OVAL RACING alive, and we converse when we can about Oval related issues.

I've been involved in R/C for coming up on 21 years, and only joined ROAR for the first time last October (My membership expired last Saturday, and I am sending in the renewal this week)

I can NOT imagine Oval Racing w/o organizations of some type, I'm on the fence w/ ROAR but they do serve a purpose...I'd personally love to see an independant oval racing organization get together and all the different series and other large races work to use the same general and basic rules. But, there are different folks who like different things in different parts of the country.

You must not forget that Roar covers the insurance for smaller club tracks and their racers. So on top of creating a set of rules they keep us protected.

Organizations…..I hate’um! So many rules! You can’t do this; you have to run that, WAY too much paper work for just a hobby.

BUT WHAT WOULD IT BE LIKE WITHOUT THEM?

You could run your weekly club races without them and let your racers run what they like but how would you be able to invite other racers to run your 7 cell, Spec motor IMSA body with no wing class that runs for 7 minutes with a rolling start? Yeah, everybody is searching for a place that runs that one! Like it or not there has to be standardization. If not, you might as well stay in the back yard and play with your Radio Shack car because organized racing would be chaos.

There is an argument that “the rules are already there” so why do I have to “join” anything. Simply use a set of somebody’s rules and go for it…. and that’s very true … to a point. But when every there are rules that are used just as a “guideline”, people have a tendency to bend them to fit their needs. So what good would they be?

As for ARCOR not having very many races; I know I will get creamed for saying this but personally, I think that is great! WE HAVE WAY TOO MANY “BIG” RACES to be able to attend all of them! ROAR and ARCOR only need ONE oval National event per year. I would much rather (and more likely would) attend one big race with 200 entries then three that only have enough to “almost” fill a “B” main.

Now, having said that! Do we have too many organizations ABSOLUTELY! Will any of them go away…..NOPE! (Well, one did….almost.) But the answer to this is not rocket science, you simply decide what type of racing you want to do, which big races you are going to attend and join and support those organizations that apply to your agenda.

I hope J.B. is sitting down when she reads this LOL but in the South East, ARCOR as done more for organized oval racing and has more of a hands on approach then any of the other organizations combined. This is mainly due to the fact that they are oval only. They are not concerned with anything else and we are too specialized for it to be any other way. Do I have problems with some of the things they do? You bet and I will be the first to voice my opinions. But the key to that is; I have a better chance of getting my opinions heard with ARCOR (and every once in a while, acted on) then I do with any of the others.

So, bottom line is; yes we need the organizations BUT how effective they are is in direct proportion to how much “we” support and become active in them.

P.S. ROAR’S insurance only applies to sanctioned ROAR events, so it is much better for a track to provide their own “full time” insurance