As the topic says..................

While at a track the 2nd place car (in the main) was working lap traffic mid way through the run. The lap car moved to the outside off turn 4 giving room and hit the wall sending him to the inside wall knocking out his receiver pack. As the lap car tied to get turned around was having radio issues and turned right infront of the leader taking him out. The lap car driver started to yell "See what ya get for being nice"

The lap car continued to have radio problems and did not pull off the track and again off turn 2 bounced off the wall and took out the new leader (2nd place car in the above post) and 2 other cars. The lap car finally got going but then waited on the back stretch and turned right hitting the leader again and taking him out on the last lap. While this was happening the lap car driver was "laughing" and saying "That's what ya get for being nice".

This incident cost 2 different drivers the opportunity at the win. After the race the lap driver was confronted and asked why he took out the leader (in front of track officials). His response was "I was being nice and giving room and the guy ran me to the outside wall. I was done being nice"

Racing is racing but when dirty driving affects the outcome...............with what happened, how do your tracks handle situations like this?

Check the "hacking" thread, pretty much the same discussion.

I don't think I have ever witnessed something that blatant. Although I have seen "dirty driving", it is usually being done by a crappy driver to begin with. In that case it's hard to tell if it's retaliation, inability or ignorance. It's a shame that this stuff happens, whatever to excuse may be.
The guys I usually race with park it after having that much trouble. They don't try to keep going and screw up the race for the rest of the guys that are still racing. You have nothing to gain if your car is not working, in fact you'll probably end up making your problem worse and wrecking somebody else's stuff also.
I have seen guys refuse to race with certain drivers they know they risk getting wrecked by the crappy driver. I have found myself in a situation in which I have practically come to a stop, waiting for the 'crappy driver' to wreck himself and then I procede.

I'm using the title "crappy driver" as a relative term. I think that term includes not only bad driving, but also bad track manners and poor sportsmanship.

If I owned a track I would have a list of rules that apply for on-track and off-track behavior. Also, I would enforce those rules. I know the majority would favor a rules package that would include those issues.

Yes there is another thread about this subject. This subject really pushes my buttons though. I know some guys race for the relaxation and some of us take it to a more serious level. Maybe a different class should be made up for the hackers.

"The Run what ya brung, hope you get to take it home in one piece class."

at my track in the past race there was a really bad wreck where a guy spun and his batt came un pluged, and then some guy was being ignorant and didnt listen to everyone yelling "go low!" "go low!!", well he went high... SMACK!!!! the guys car that spun was totally ruined but the guy that hit him all that happened was a messed up bumper...

oval trucker no its called "demolition derby" lol :D

Did the announcer say anything? at our local club we try to make sure the man on the PA stays on top of cars that our out of control. When you see an accident like that and it results in a broken, poor handling car we try to tell the person to pull it and make sure he hears. Unfortunatly people will see the situation through their own eyes and most of the time their eyes think they are completely innocent. People dont like to admit they were at fault and blame it on the faster car that "pushed them to the wall" or "rushed the pass" or "Just ran right into the back of me". It seems to happen no matter what you do with heats, or how many you allow in the main. Another must is communication on the drivers stand. A few "thank you's" and "comming up on you's" can sometimes ease a situation full of tension. I understand that this hobby is supposed to be fun but its sometimes hard to have fun when someone is PO'd and acting like and idiot....

Race director should have made him pull the car!!!

I'll be the first to say I can be "dirty". Last year we was at our local track and the 2nd place car ran me in to deep and i broke the tape holding my battery in the turn marshall took what seemed like 15 min getting my car back on track, as the 2nd place car made his laps up when my car was put back on the track I was 10 laps down driving my car like I stole it I was able to catch him and pass him for most of my laps back but after about half of them he started blocking me I tried 5 times to pass him clean and he kept trying to drive me into the wall, I had enuf and started driving like a hack I kept spinning him out. The bad thing was is when my battery came half way out I was 6 laps ahead, he was told after the race by the owner and others that what he did was wrong and the next time we was in a race together just let me pass and he winned about having to win. Who was in the right on that one I ask all of you.

Jimmy

Neither one of you!

Neither one of you!

Yo Lin'.........Not sure I understand your reply???

hes being like your mom as"Just cause' someone hits you dosen't mean you need to hit back, you need to tell a teacher." lol :D

from what I read this sounds to me like a few things need to happen 1st the guy needs a talking too. let him know that won't be accepted.

alot of problems can be avoided by having a drivers meeting in that meeting make it perfectly clear that 1st let the fast car go 2nd if your car isn't working right pull the car 3rd if you don't pull the car we'll pull it for yah.

I ran a carpet track that ran once a month in a church gym for like 7 months. we implemented this system after our 1st race was a wreck fest. for the second race I announced the above well in like the 3rd qual of the 1st round a driver wrecked hard and when he started going again his car spun out. I told him it to pull the car it's broke the driver kept goin' and spun again in the next turn at that point I had the turnmarshall pull the car. after that race was over I called a drivers meeting again and made it perfectly clear that the guy with the mic is boss and if you don't want to listen then don't come back. but I wasn't going to have guys cars get broke because someonem tryed to race a glitching, spinning, or broken car. you know what no one left and attendace picked up and the racing got alot better and cleaner

...way too often I've victimized myself by "Being too Nice"

I ain't no WORLD CHAMPION FACTORY SPONSORED driver, and I race to have fun with good competition. I generally move for the fast guys even in the main, as long as they race me clean and give me the time I need to move safely. TOO Often the past few years however, it seems driver patience is GONE, and guys think they need to BLOW past you as soon as they catch you..and get really PISSY if you don't DIVE out of their way. Lord knows if you DON'T move ...they just PUNT you to the wall....crash themselves and YELL AT YOU for just being on the track.

I've raced with some of the best...and some of the worst...drivers... I've had times when I was the best....and the worst too. (Sometimes in the same event)

Emotions can and do run high, especially if you continue to have dealings with the same person/people.

Race Director Hat On As a race director, it's sometimes touchy...but I try to have a discussion w/ both drivers if I see something regular happening between a couple guys. Sometimes if I don't get anywhere with either...and I see one driver continuing to HACK the other...I've been known to give the other driver PERMISSION to STUFF the HACKER as HARD as HE CAN w/o punishment...as long as he does NOT involve ANY other cars. Then I re-talk to BOTH parties...and let them know.."It's OVER" and if ANY further contact is made...they are BOTH done. (Done this twice in the last 8 years...and it worked. 2 of the guys actually became friends afterward...but it was UGLY when the cars got destroyed, the other 2 guys I haven't seen back on a track)

Yo Lin'.........Not sure I understand your reply???

Most tracks have a rule where if your car breaks, you take it off the track.

Tornado- If this guy is a regular at the track, then maybe the group of racers need to talk to him and tell him if it happens again, don't come back. If the race director doesn't take care of it, then the racers just don't show up to race, maybe the director will do something then. Most guys that do stuff like that are idiots that most racers don't like personally. Most everybody shows up to race RC cars to have fun, stuff like that isn't fun.

I was the track director at our track for 10 years and have seen it all.

I believe that if your car is broke pull it! On my part I have also already pulled a car off the track after being crashed twice while lapping a car just insure that it didn't get destroyed. After all these are only toy cars that usually pay off with bragging rights or a couple bucks on a gift certificate. If someone feels they need to win that bad to wreck you well then I say let them it's not worth a $200 speedo possibly to me for a $10 entry fee. Did they really win by blocking and driving dirty NO, they only show that their program consists of TIC. Aside from that, maybe even offer them some set-up help so they are not lapped traffic anymore and can keep pace.
Some of these guys I think get too wrapped up in it and act like they are running $70,000 full size race cars, crazy. Keep it fun guys but not to the point of demolition derby.

that's racing have you ever watched nascar. you can send em to the trailer but it really don't change nothing. look at it this way that person showed up and payed their money just like you.lt's not like we are racing for a million bucks stuff happens.all i can say is play nice.

That's racing? Right.:lol:

We pretty much handle hacks ourselves at our track. If someone is driving stupid all of the racers will get together during the race and make sure the hack does not finish. After a heat or so they usually get the point, and start showing the other racers a little respect.

Some of these guys I think get too wrapped up in it and act like they are running $70,000 full size race cars, crazy. Keep it fun guys but not to the point of demolition derby.
They also think that running it a few more laps will fix it once it is broken! That car should have been pulled off.
-George