Not sure if there was a thread already, or not.

Is everyone running Brushless this season? If so, is it 4300 and 13.5, anyone running 5800?

Is anyone interested in a Brushed 19T class? Or even Brushed Mod? I realize its small, but...

Just trying to plan for the season!



NH

Question 2;

When is the 3800 max rule in effect until?
Any local matchers still matching 3800?


NH

Neil,
I would doubt anyone would be running 19 Turn and no 5800. 4300 will definately be the biggest class. I know there are a few guys that got the 13.5, and I'm sure there will be a stock class. 3800's have been discontinued and I beleive we were going to run the 42's.

Thanks for the info Hays.
Any idea when the decision on batts will be made?

When you get time, shoot me an email at nhicks@charter.net

Thanks
NH

The battery rule is 4200's when we start and racing will be 4 minutes.Their still talking on if their going to run stock and 13.5 together.I'm sure after the first BRL race their will be more 13.5's.For latemodels it's a 3800 rule until we go outside again.In all other class 4200's are legal.Any other questions I will try to answer until Dave get's back on the internet.

Any idea when the indoor season starts?

http://triclone.net/carpet%202006-2007.htm

Here's the carpet schedual Neal.

Schedule is on the Triclone web site. First race is Nov. 11.

Hmm... nothing in October?

Must be a misprint on my schedual it say's I have off the 11th.

Neil,
During the week His and Hers in Kenosha is having racing every Tuesday night at 7 with 2 qualifiers and a main. If that could tie you over until Triclone starts. Sully, butch, dygon, horvath, and myself were there last week and i think Sr. and myself are going down next tues again.

Must be a misprint on my schedual it say's I have off the 11th.

Just wait till you get to the week of the 11th, they'll probably change their mind!

Stock class is staying with brushed motors for the carpet. We will be going to the 13.5 next spring on the big track.

Says WHO? Ted told me he was running 13.5 with you guys?

I'm guessing that the 13.5 is going to take off with more people buying them during the carpet season.

We want to see how many guys are going to run the 13.5.We just don't want it to be 1 week there are 10 cars the next only 2 show up. Give us some input.

Whenever I can make it, I plan on running 4300. Don't have a 13.5 yet. Maybe my Son will get me one for X-mas!!! LOL :thumbsup:

I will be ordering Latemodel bodies after next weekend. If anyone wants a specifec body, please let me know at the track or via email, or PM. Thanks

We will post practice days as soon as we figure out open days.

Dave J, please call me back. I couldn't get you at the nymber you left on my voice mail.

Does anyone know if the 13.5 motors going to be allowed in the late Model cars? Hope so!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does anyone know if the 13.5 motors going to be allowed in the late Model cars? Hope so!!!!!!!!!!!!

That would be the best spec class ever.. however, its a class for veterans and newbies.. Its alot of money for a newbie to drop to run the class..

Cheaper in the long run Burbs no brushes no lathes two motors brushed + maintenace..........Thinkin brushless is cheaper in the long run

Last I heard it was.I will find out for sure this weekend.If their not alowed in stock I will be running latemodel this winter.

Thanks Craig.................Mark LM with brushless should be fun!!!!!!!!

Any word on practice days? Just trying to figure out what days I can go up north bowhunting.

Any word on practice days? Just trying to figure out what days I can go up north bowhunting.

Their was some talk about some Sunday's in Oct. call Dave to find out for sure.

Sounds good.

Here are the practice dates: Sunday Oct. 15 and Sunday Oct. 22--- The track will be
open 10am till 8pm

We will have the Hobby Shop and kitchen up and running!!!

We do have to rent the building so there will be a $8 fee for the day

Dave are we going to be able to use the 13.5 motors in Late Model?

Mark

Mark, we will be doing some testing with the 13.5. I will try my best to get in touch with all the late model drivers to get their input. Hope you will be able to make it out for some practice and take part in the testing

Dave i will be there the 15th I will have the 13.5 in the car so we can run it.Talk to you soon...................Mark

Mark, I'll make sure your bar stool is moved down into the indoor track!!!

I have McAllister Latemodel bodies in stock .They just showed up today. If anyone needs one give me a shout.

My opinion on the Latemodel series is we should keep it the same as we did outside, Latemodel bodies, brushed stock motors and 3800 batteries. Keep the class by itself, this way people know that it is the Latemodel series. I don't think that an entry level class should have the high costs of the brushless systems. Keep the class affordable to the new guy.Or the person that is just out to have some fun on a Sat. We can't make everyone happy, but we can and do have a great entry class.

We at Triclone can't be changing the class rules every 6 months, if it's not broke don't fix it. Take outside this summer, we had more peolpe running the Latemodel class then we had in Stock.If we keep changingthe rules all the time we will lose more drivers because they get upset with trying to keep up with the changes. I think that we should leave the Latemodel class the way it is.

Just my 2 cents.

Lance P. give me a call when you get a chance.Thanks Craig 262-483-0663

!!!!!!!!!!THANK YOU DAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now it will be worth the trip!!!....................Mark

Steve,I think the cost factor is really lower long term....No Lathe,No brushes,Only one motor,More time for beginers to work on chassis setup!!

Mark

I have a question for anyone who can answer.. Im trying to get incontact with Dana Zenil who use to race with us.. If anyone has his number, please Pm me or email me.. Boxerking1977@yahoo.com I know he use to live in sheboygan, but i cant find it in the directory.. I ran into him last summer, and lost his number.. anyhoo hopefully someone will have it..

I know I don't run LM so maybe I have no room to talk or suggest but. last year when I was about to get into r/c I had to make this decision BL or brush . I didn't want to stick to much $ into my r/c because I didn't know if I was going to like it or not. and with the cost of brushed esc now being so cheap , I went that route.now , a year later and I'm hooked and wished I'd bought a brushless from the beginning, but would have never known if i dident race.
my first 2 races where at tri-clone in the sportsman class. if it was a brushless only class I would have never made the trip up there , then I would have never become the R/C freak that I have become
the point:= it's hard for a NEW racer to stick 200 into a brushless unit. for a hobby he/she might not like. of course we all know what happens after a new racer races---- he's hooked, but we got to get the new racers in first.
you got to crawl before you can walk . JMO
Laters all

Yuk, thats the point i was trying to get at !!!!!thanks

Brushless
*13.5 motor-$80
*GTB (runs 13.5 and brushed motors)- $165-170
*$245-$250 Total for the year

Brushed
*LRP/GTX/Keyeonce in the $170-200
*Stock motor $37-40 you'll need atleast 2 for the whole year so thats acually $75-80
*Brushes, say you put in a new set once a week, atleast 10pr for the year $20-25
*Now you'll need a lathe or someone to cut your motor to keep it in good shape, plus the springs, and the time you'll need to spend fixing your motors when you could be practicing....priceless

*$170 or more for Speedcontrol
*$80 2 motors for the year (racers cant buy just 1 motor lol)
*$25 Brushes for the year + time working on motors
*Total:$275 for the whole year (Thats prob on the conservative side)
*+ if you decide to buy a lathe add $150 or more

I guess I dont understand how it can be cheaper even if you just buy 1 motor and a few sets of brushes to start off with, that would be $220-225 or so, if that extra $25 is keeping you from running I suggest you find a different hobby lol.

Hays Jr

Oval racing is hard enough as it is without having to teach someone new how to tune motors and build them. This hobby needs to be made more simple not any harder then it already is if its going to succeed.

Not to mention that there is a pretty decent chance that if you only buy two motors neither of them will be any good and you'll end up buying more.

I don't think getting and keeping new racers has a lot to do with inital investment. I would guess that if a guy is already willing to spend say 400 to get started he'd also be willing to spend 500. The trouble is hanging onto racers once they realize the reoccuring week to week costs. BL significantly reduces those.

Just my opinion from what I have seen over the years.

The point that I was making is that we shouldn't change class rules every 6 months. I understand that things like the batteries are changing weekly, but we don't have to allow them right away. And I understand that the brushless classes are going to take over, and be the most popular. But do we have to run them for every class. I don't have a ploblem with the 13.5 motors at all, I am kind of glad that we will be running them. I might get to do more racing next year outside, less motor work opn Cody's car.


I just don't want to see people get upset because they have their cars ready for the carpet season and the rules change a few weeks before the season starts. Now they have to go out and spend more. I don't want to get anyone upset , but we have to plan further ahead for class rules.We have a good turnout for the LM class, I just don't want to see that go away because of changing things every few months.


Keep it like it was outside, LM bodies,3800 batteries( They are the cheapest now, Lefthander has them on sale and so do I ) and what ever motor the LM guys want to run( If they want to spend the money on brushless, thats cool, if not thats cool too)And if anyone needs brushed motor work done< I will more then happy to help. All you have to do is ask.

Hays, I understand your point, about how hard this hobby can be to be competitive.I also understand that the 13.5 will help even the playing field, but you have to look at it this way to, If someone new comes in and all they have to do is pop in the 13.5 and go racing, I think that the chassis may not get the attention that you or I would give it. I have seen it at Triclone alot this summer.Cars are slow , but the chassis won't get touched, but everything else will, (gearing, tires, etc....) You understand where I'm coming from.


Like I said before, I don't want to upset anyone, this is just my opinion. Cody and I are vey glad that we got involved with this hobby. We have met a great bunch of people, and we have a blast every weekend that we are racing with you guys!!!!!

Hays, I understand your point, about how hard this hobby can be to be competitive.I also understand that the 13.5 will help even the playing field, but you have to look at it this way to, If someone new comes in and all they have to do is pop in the 13.5 and go racing, I think that the chassis may not get the attention that you or I would give it.

I guess I dont understand what your saying when you say that they wont work on their chassis if they have to use a Brushless motor? They should have more time to do that I would think. It really makes no difference to me really, and I'm not arguing with you at all if it sounds that way lol.

Another suggestion is to limit the gearing on the 13.5 as it seems they will be faster than the brushed stock motors. They already run considerably cooler so I dont think they would get real hot. You guys would have to find a certain range to run the pinions in to make them comparable. This might be a good way to slowly work towards the brushless motors. The other thing is that if a new guy shows up, is he going to want to buy all brushed stuff and then go and buy all new brushless stuff when you guys switch to the 13.5 next year? I guess I dont have a perfect answer and I dont really think there is one right now. Just will have to see what happens.

I can say that since we have switched to Brushless, racing has been more enjoyable for me.

Hays Jr

Sorry guy's i wasn't trying to start an argument.It is just my opinion!!! i would prefer to run brushless and no gear limits remember it is a hobby and what each person chooses to spend on it is up to them.I still beleive that brushless is still the way to go for the new racer more cost effecient in the long run is all i was trying to say!!!!.............Mark

Although I dont have my system installed yet, knowing that I will be running brushless this year, and after seeing the competition on a regional basis last year, I know I am going to have fun this year. While I enjoy brushed motors as much as Grif (heh), there prime has long gone. Brushless is the way of the future, and I can almost garuntee that in 1-2 years, brushless will cost 40-50% less than it does now. More vendors, cheaper components, better quality... its only a matter of time - and brushed motors will cost more to produce. I used to understand the argument of initial cost, but as Pat said, if someone is willing to spend the high amount of $$ just to enter the hobby, then more than likely they (or the parents to kids) will do homework and find the best bang for their buck. If they look close enough, they will find brushless cheaper inthe long run, just as fast, and twice as fun. I can see, to a point, that with a brushless system, that some wont use the extra time for chassis work... im sure some will talk more, eat, drink... what have you.
Steve has a point that rules need to be made, and stuck to in agreeable timeframes. To change rules during the season is not kosher, thus the rules being set before the carpet season begins. While it may not be the same as outdoor, the rules have been set (at least I think so?!), and everyone knows what they are. You cant take the same rules from outdoor and bring them indoor, not completely. 3800's did a good job, but the industry is moving to 4200, and soon (maybe during the carpet season), 3800's will be unavailable. Granted Lefthander and Midwest may have them in stock, unless you make a rule stating they must be purchased from these companies, you cant assume 3800's will be available all year.
I dont really know what im getting at lol! Brushless is here, and needs to be pushed as the future of R/C... Brushed is fine if a starter wants to do it, at least they can race and have fun. You cant tell me a new kid off the street with a brushed motor against other brushless will be unfair. You know that kid needs to race for a coupld of weeks to become competitive and get used to the close racing. So let him get experience and enjoy his racing with cheaper brushed equipment, and when he is experienced, and WANTS to race, he can invest appropiately then.
Again, I dont know what im saying, so im going to shut up!
Cant wait to get on the carpet and have fun again!

NH

What point is being made here? And where are the rules for the class? Last i heard the brushless systems are going to be tested and then decided on.And how often are there kids walking in and buying a complete race setup! I dont think i want to be classified as a veteran or a newbie or whatever i come to race and have fun. The racers and staff at Tri-Cone are a great group of people!!!!!!!!! I still contend it is a hobby and should be left up to each person on what they spend!!! I agree with Hays Jr. more cost effective and more time for the new racer to learn set up. "ie" more competitive racer!!!!

I totally understand what you are all saying. I guess that I don't see it being fair to a guy with brushed equipement to try to compete with brushless. Knowing that we probably won't have enough drivers to seperate the 2, I understand the gearing idea, that might have to be used.

I also understand that brushless is here to stay, and will be the way this hobby will be from now on. I have no problem with that at all, frees up more of my time. What I meant when I said that some people won't work on their chassis's, that I've seen that some brushless drivers try to find speed everywhere else but the chassis. They got lazy.

I guess that what I was getting at is , a driver has all his stuff ready to go, bodies painted, batteries bought,and motors bought(brushed or brushless) and tires bought. But there are no cut rules.Thats going to upset people, I know a few that are already.

Like I said before, I don't want anyone upset. I am just voicing my opinionand I wanted input from more veteran people, you guys have been around alot longer in this hobby then myself. But I have been involved with other forms of racing, and seen these things happen there also. People just quit!! Cody and I are in this for the long haul, I just want to see the track be around for a while, not die out like alot of other tracks.

I prupose a new rule. The TQ driver has to drink 8 beers, 2nd qualifier 7 beers, 3rd 6 beers and so on down the line. All of this after the 3rd round of qualifying and before the mains. This way the guys in the back will have a chance and it should level the playing field!! I know Dave J would be gunning for TQ everytime!!! LOL And this rule doesnt apply for Craig V.

Hays Jr