What do you think of it? I don't it has the charm of the first one, and it's a 'half movie'. They just stop at the end, and expect us to wait for part 3.

I walked out at the end and missed a scene after the credits. ( I stayed after Superman and saw nothing)

The after credits scene is OK, not great. I liked the movie , it hit it's stride once they dugup the Chest. Cool action sequences. I thought the bits with the monkey were hilarious!

What do you think of it? I don't it has the charm of the first one, and it's a 'half movie'. They just stop at the end, and expect us to wait for part 3.I think it has every bit of the original's charm -- what it lacks from the first film is the ability to surprise us on the same level, but there's no way it could possibly recapture that. And we won't have to wait long for the third part -- it opens Memorial Day weekend 2007.

Qapla'

SSB

Nice looking but it just rambles along without a really cohesive story line - this is especially evident when the movie doesn't really end after 2 1/2 hours.

Jim

Nice looking but it just rambles along without a really cohesive story line - this is especially evident when the movie doesn't really end after 2 1/2 hours.

Jim

I second your thoughts. Exactly as I would word it.

Nice looking but it just rambles along without a really cohesive story line - this is especially evident when the movie doesn't really end after 2 1/2 hours.

Jim
I think it's more a case of too much story. You essentially have five or six people, all with their own agendas, chasing after three seperate but related objects.

And if you haven't seen the first movie, I'd do so before seeing the new one. There are so many characters and situations carried over from first one that anyone going into this one blind would be lost. They even expect you to have seen the after-the-credits scene from PIRATES 1.

For anyone who wonders why Hollywood makes so many sequels, this may explain it:

http://www.imdb.com/news/sb/2006-07-10/#film1

I think it's more a case of too much story.Well, there's also the fact that this movie throws a whole bunch of balls in the air and, at the end of the film, most of them are still flying around -- by design. I knew going in to expect the sort of ending we got in Back to the Future Part II, so I wasn't disappointed.

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Anyone have any ideas as to what was up with Elizabeth, the compass, and Jack Sparrow -- specifically, when Elizabeth used the compass, why did it point toward Jack as the thing she wanted most? My own take is that what she wants most is what Jack represents as opposed to Jack himself -- in other words, she wants to be a pirate. The compass points toward Jack because that is the best it can do in directing her toward an otherwise abstract concept.

This was a very nice reuse of the compass from the first film, by the way. It probably wasn't originally planned to work that way, yet it seems entirely consistent with what we saw the first time.

Another thing my brother noticed was that Tia Dalma -- the witchy woman -- has a locket identical to the one Davy Jones has. Makes me wonder what the connection between the two of them might be. Any ideas?

Qapla'

SSB

By the way, I've seen video of the additions they've made to the rides to incorporate elements from the films -- they look awesome! The Jack Sparrow animatronics seem dead-on identical to Johnny Depp, and some of those who have actually ridden it say it is even more uncanny in reality. Reactions to the changes and additions seem to be heavily positive, even from initially skeptical hardcore fans of the ride. At Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom, lines on the official re-opening day stretched all the way to the Crystal Palace-end entrance to Adventureland!

While I'm gushing, I might as well point out how cool I found the new Walt Disney Pictures title card logo at the beginning. I'd go see the movie again just to get a second look at that!

Qapla'

SSB

Anyone have any ideas as to what was up with Elizabeth, the compass, and Jack Sparrow -- specifically, when Elizabeth used the compass, why did it point toward Jack as the thing she wanted most? My own take is that what she wants most is what Jack represents as opposed to Jack himself -- in other words, she wants to be a pirate. The compass points toward Jack because that is the best it can do in directing her toward an otherwise abstract concept.

I think it was because she was standing on one side of where the chest was buried, and Jack was on the other. Because when Jack got the compass it pointed back at Elizabeth. By then she had sat down on the sand in frustration - right on top of the chest.

They even expect you to have seen the after-the-credits scene from PIRATES 1.

I don't think I saw that one either.

While I'm gushing, I might as well point out how cool I found the new Walt Disney Pictures title card logo at the beginning. I'd go see the movie again just to get a second look at that!

It was cool.

Jim

I think it was because she was standing on one side of where the chest was buried, and Jack was on the other. Because when Jack got the compass it pointed back at Elizabeth. By then she had sat down on the sand in frustration - right on top of the chest.Except that the compass is supposed to point toward the one thing the bearer wants most -- and I don't think, for Elizabeth, that one thing would be the chest. Probably for Jack, it was the chest -- he needs it desperately to keep himself out of trouble.

Remember, this is the same compass Jack used in The Curse of the Black Pearl -- in that movie, it pointed to the Black Pearl itself, because that was what Jack wanted at the time. It won't always point to the same thing for the same person, because what you want most can change.

Qapla'

SSB

I don't think I saw that one either.
It explains where the undead monkey came from.

BEBRuns - Is that scene on the DVD?
Huzz

I should add that I saw this Friday on opening night. The theatres were all full - quite a crowd was out to see the show!

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I loved it, although I think it could have been shorter. The cannibal sequence seemed too long for my liking and could have been shortened quite a bit. Although the scene in that bit with the natives chasing Sparrow on the beach was reminiscent of a similar scene from 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

Some shops are selling chain pendants with the aztec coin from the first movie. Pretty neat!
Huzz

BEBRuns - Is that scene on the DVD?
Huzz
I assume so. I've only seen the movie in the theater.

BEBRuns - Is that scene on the DVD?
HuzzI'll answer that -- yes, it is.

Qapla'

SSB

I really enjoy these movies! While other kids were playing Superman or got excited by Star Trek, I was the kid playing pirates using a stick as a sword and saying ARRRGH! If ever there was a movie franchise that deserved model kits reissued, this is the one. Who doesn't like pirates? I kinda remember Aurora had a Blackbeard kit at one time...

They even expect you to have seen the after-the-credits scene from PIRATES 1.I know I'm gonna take some heat for writing this, but it needs to be done:

How inconsiderate of "them" to expect you to watch the entire film! That was sarcasm, by the way.

For those of you who run out of the theater as soon as the credits start to roll: Don't come crying to me when you miss the end of the film. You wanted to leave before the end of the film, you left before the end of the film--you got what you wanted! Be happy!

The credits are there for a reason. These people have worked for months, years in some cases, to bring you those 2-3 hours of entertainment; the least you can do is extend the courtesy of giving them another 5 minutes out of your precious life to take note of their work. Leaving the theater before the credits are finished is like attending a great party at a friends house then leaving without thanking them. If you miss the end of the film...well, it's your own fault; nobody forced you to leave before it was over. Okay, now that I've gotten that off my chest...

I loved it. I went to the midnight showing, where they had to show it in two more theaters than they had originally planned because so many people showed up for it. I saw it again over the weekend.

It isn't a perfect film by any means. Parts of it last a bit too long and other parts are downright silly. But, overall, I really enjoyed it, maybe more than the first film. I was never aware of the film's 2-1/2 hour length, which is always a good thing!

Several critics have stated they felt Johnny Depp's performance is even more over-the-top in this film, and I strongly disagree. It's difficult for an actor to re-create any role perfectly, let alone a character as flamboyant as Captain Jack Sparrow, but IMHO Depp nails it; it may seem more outrageous only because Depp gets more screen time in this one. Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley reprise their roles perfectly as well, with the exception that this time around they give Elizabeth Swann more than a "damsel in distress" part in the story. Some of the "incidental" characters from the first film also play a larger part in this film, and Bill Nighy's performance as Davey Jones--well, let's just say it's hard to look anywhere else when he's on screen, and not just because his undulating CGI face never stops moving. Returning characters like Pintel, Ragetti, and Norrington don't feel like they were forced into the story just so we, the audience, would have that connection to the first film, and each of the actors playing those parts reprise their respective roles well.

Speaking of CGI, I couldn't find any fake-looking CGI in the entire film--taking into account the fantasy elements of the story, that is. And I looked, believe me; I'm a stickler for realistic effects no matter how they're done, and this film is one of the most flawless I've seen. Davey Jones' crew in this film is far creepier than the skeletons in the first film, IMHO.

Hey now, let's be nice!

I personally loved both films immensely. I have the first on DVD and will definitely get the second once it is out. Yet I didn't stay for all the credits in both cases.

For shame? I think not.

On Friday night past I was just trying to be courteous. Courteous, that is, to my Mom and Dad who kindly offered to babysit so my wife and I could go to this movie. First kid-free night out since April by the way. The movie started at just after 10:00 pm, so at 2 and a half hours long, it was close to 1:00 AM when we got back home so they could return home themselves. And at 1:00 am, it was actually their aniversary. Forty-fifth, I think. I'm sure that most other folks who left as the credits rolled did so for similar reasons and not out of disregard for the talented folks who did the behind the scenes work.

With respect to the party analogy, I note that movie ceredits list the major players and then work down to Fart the Messenger Boy. When I leave a party I thank the hosts. I don't however search out the guy who mowed the lawn that day, catered, the catering staff, or the pizza delivery boy before I leave.

And I have to add, that even in my own work I commonly do tons of work that my boss signs for and gets the recognition for from the Executive of the company. Its just the way it is. I get my pay check, the boss says thanks, and I'm happy. The folks who affect my career or would review my resume should i look elsewhere know the significance of what I do. Similarly, when the staff of major blockbusters like Pirates II need to circulate their resume, the line "worked on Pirates II - Dead Man's Chest" is sure to get the attention of the resume screeners.

And that's what counts for them I think. And yes, every minute of my life is precious. I'm not wasting any of it.

Huzz

I'm going to write to Ford and ask for the name of every person who built my car, just to thank them for their contribution.

That was the nice version Huzz; you should've read what I really wanted to write. :D

Okay, so the party analogy may not have been the best way to express my thoughts--Dennis Miller I'm not. And, yes, I would agree that movie studios sometimes get a bit carried away with who they give credit to. But even gardeners, caterers, pizza delivery people, and Fart the Messenger Boy deserve credit when they've done their jobs well.

I'm going to write to Ford and ask for the name of every person who built my car, just to thank them for their contribution.Maybe you should. Maybe, if you did, it would remind those people of the importance of doing their jobs well, and they'd actually perform their duties better.

Actually Zombie, mine was the grumpy version! After sober second thought, I wanted to tone it down. But I got dragged into domestic chores and I couldn't get back to it.

Sorry for dumping on ya like that. You do have a point though. People deserve recognition. And in this day and age of technological wizardry in movie making, I am amazed that the creative folks who make movies still commonly display the credits in much the same way that they have for decades.

Perhaps they could do something to compel folks to watch the credits. Display a short video of the sound editing staff and other groups waving "hi" in a window box along side their names, or waving and saying their name and role? Could make for all sorts of fun shenanigans.

Huzz

We saw it Monday night. Our bottom line was we felt that we got our money's worth in entertainment - worthy of full-ticket price.

Some great action sequences and SPFX. A few laugh out loud moments, and we enjoyed the nods to both the Pirates ride, as well as to the movie 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

It did feel a bit long, and I'll agree with the comments that Capt. Jack Sparrow was played even more flamboyantly.

I personally loved both films immensely. I have the first on DVD and will definitely get the second once it is out. Yet I didn't stay for all the credits in both cases.

For shame? I think not.



But you have the first DVD and still didn't watch to the end?

Jim :tongue:

Jim - nope.

But I will re-watch the ending!

Huzz

Actually Zombie, mine was the grumpy version! After sober second thought, I wanted to tone it down. But I got dragged into domestic chores and I couldn't get back to it.

Sorry for dumping on ya like that. You do have a point though. People deserve recognition. And in this day and age of technological wizardry in movie making, I am amazed that the creative folks who make movies still commonly display the credits in much the same way that they have for decades.

Perhaps they could do something to compel folks to watch the credits. Display a short video of the sound editing staff and other groups waving "hi" in a window box along side their names, or waving and saying their name and role? Could make for all sorts of fun shenanigans.

HuzzHey, no worries here Huzz! I knew I'd have to defend my position on the subject. :p

As far as "compelling folks to watch the credits," I think that's exactly the reason they put scenes at the end of the credits. Or, as in the case of some films, show outtakes and/or addition scenes from the film while the credits are rolling, though I believe that's a self-defeating purpose because people are watching those scenes and not reading the credits anyway. Your suggestion of showing the "staff and other groups" was done during the credits of Shallow Hal, a Jack Black film from 2001. I thought it was a very cool thing to do, as it put faces to the names scrolling past on the screen.

Zombie - :thumbsup:

Huzz :wave:

As far as "compelling folks to watch the credits," I think that's exactly the reason they put scenes at the end of the credits. Or, as in the case of some films, show outtakes and/or addition scenes from the film while the credits are rolling. . .Or put little jokes into the credits, as has been done with the Zucker brothers’ films.

The fact is most moviegoers, even here in the Big Orange, simply aren't going to sit through a six-minute credit crawl acknowledging everyone from the worm wrangler to the second-unit honeywagon driver to eighteen different SFX houses. Remember when all the credits were at the beginning of the film, and took less than 60 seconds? And why don't they use words like "starring" or "co-starring" or "in" or "with" or "featuring" any more? Now they just flash a bunch of names on the screen and expect the audience to sort it all out.

Why do I sound like Andy Rooney?

I look at the scenes during or after the credits as a bonus. They don't add to the story, but do add to the viewers' movie-going experience. Kind of like "Easter Eggs" on a DVD, a little sumpthin' extra.

My favorite has to be at the end of "Ferris Buellers' Day Off"...

Ferris Bueller's Day Off has to be the king of the "scene after the credits" films. Of course, the joke loses it's impact when you're watching the DVD in your own home.

As far as "they don't add to the story," there was a "whodunit" film from 1998 called Wild Things starring Neve Campbell, Denise Richards, Matt Dillon, and Kevin Bacon; if you didn't watch the scenes during the end credits, you didn't see the explanation of how the "culprits" got away with it, and the end of the film made no sense.

Ferris Bueller's Day Off has to be the king of the "scene after the credits" films. Of course, the joke loses it's impact when you're watching the DVD in your own home.

As far as "they don't add to the story," there was a "whodunit" film from 1998 called Wild Things starring Neve Campbell, Denise Richards, Matt Dillon, and Kevin Bacon; if you didn't watch the scenes during the end credits, you didn't see the explanation of how the "culprits" got away with it, and the end of the film made no sense.

That's interesting, and I would imagine could be frustrating to the theater-goers who didn't realize.
In that vein, do you remember "The List of the Adrian Messenger"? At the end of the film some well known actors removed makeup revealing themselves - they were so heavily made up you couldn't tell who was playing the part. I remember Frank Sinatra was in it, Robert Mitchum and a few others...

We went to see the movie on opening night. This is my kind of entertainment just good fun!
Having seen the first movie made this one more enjoyable as some gags in this movie - the monkey in particular - wouldn't work if we hadn't seen the first movie.
By the way I thought the shooting the monkey gags were pretty funny!
I'm looking forward to movie #3!

Dave

I know, I'm always late with my 2 cents. I don't mind the fact that the characters get confused when they see someone kissing someone else, but the audience (well, certainly me any way!) was confused too. In keeping with the essence of the first one, I don't think we should be kept guessing as to who she really likes. I found it very odd. As for the SFX, I didn't think it was overdone at all. Depp was great. Witch scenes, especially the last one, way too long and confusing. Anywho, still looking forward to the next one.

I finally saw it today.


It was like trying to eat a bowl of soup with a fork. A tedious, frustrating, time consuming exercise with a few little rewards along the way.

we saw the movie in Disneyland, actually, "DOWNTOWN DISNEY" we found out that Jonny Depp, had gone to that exact same theater a couple of weeks before, for the premier opening of the movie.

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Got the DVD for Christmas, enjoyed seeing the film again. The behind the scenes about the "bone cages" was lots of fun, and the piece about Davy Jones was informative.


The CG Society (Society of Digital Artists) voted on the top 20 headlines and innovations during the past year. Hands down #1 event was the release of POTC: DMC, specifically the technical achievement of bringing Davy Jones and his crew "to life". There are whole forums dedicated to the work that went into those effects.

Interesting html side note. When I typed out "POTC: DMC" the first time I did not have a space between the colon (:) and "D" - the result was POTC:DMC !
Funny , huh?

Interesting html side note #2... see what happens when you try to put a colon between parenthesis? Gosh, this is fun - it has a mind of it's own!

Got the DVD for Christmas, enjoyed seeing the film again. The behind the scenes about the "bone cages" was lots of fun, and the piece about Davy Jones was informative.Lots of cool stuff in the two-disc edition. I especially enjoyed the piece about the updates to the attractions. The Jack Sparrow animatronics, especially the first one you see in the updated ride, are even more incredible in "person" than they look on the DVD. It's the most convincing human audio-animatronic Disney has ever done.

Qapla'

SSB

Cool! We're overdue for a trip to FL - we'll have to check them out.