http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/books/06/01/batwoman.uncloseted.ap/index.html

:rolleyes: Well wadayaknow.............. :rolleyes:

Well, I would guess that sales of the poster being sold at WF titled, "Boy Wonder Indeed", featuring Batgirl wearing Robin's costume as a robe, will tank now...

But hey, sales of the poster of Batgirl and Catwoman frolicking around should be hailed as prescient.

José

So why didn't they make her costume lavender?

Jose - I saw this today and sent off an email to Dave Metzner congratulating him on producing such a timely model kit.

I have a comment, but Hank will close this thread, so I will move along.

This is just another of those meaningless ploys to sell more comics by generating controversy. Frankly, I'm bored with it already.

- GJS

It is just pure perversion.

I have a comment, but Hank will close this thread, so I will move along.

Well, I'll take a shot at it.

"This is not just about having a gay character," DiDio said. "We're trying for overall diversity in the DC universe. We have strong African-American, Hispanic and Asian characters. We're trying to get a better cross-section of our readership and the world."

What a load of crock. What does "race" have to do with "sexual preference?"
African-Americans, Hispanics, and Asians are all types of "races." Being "gay" is a "sexual preference;" it is not a "race." (I'm not arguing for, or against, the genetic influences of homosexuality.) If "Batwoman's" preference HAS to be noted, what's next? Storylines where Tony Stark has to abstain because of his bad heart? Or where Aquaman and the Sub-Mariner are only attracted to mermaids?

Why do we need to know the sexuality of a character? I never needed to know if the Green Lantern and Green Arrow went out together after a hard day of crime fighting. I never wanted to know if ROM: Spaceknight bought Jetson's comicbooks so he could look at Rosie. So why do I need to know that "Batwoman" is gay?

All I ever wanted in my comics is for the good guy to smash the bad guy.

--Hawg (who really doesn't know what "crock" means.)

I'll bet that all that hoo-ha about diversity in the article is just that: hoo-ha (or whatever euphemism you prefer for "malarkey"). I'm not part of the target audience that will get all worked-up about this, but that audience is a large one. It's inexplicable to me why that is so, but it seems to be true.

Qapla'

SSB

It's kinda like "Oreos." There used ta be just one. Y'know, the one that EVERYBODY liked. Now, because of "diversity," there's

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - CHOCOLATE

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES DOUBLE STUF - DOUBLE STUF

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES DOUBLE STUF - CHOCOLATE

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - GOLDEN ORIGINAL

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - CHOCOLATE CREME

OREO - 100 CALORIE PACKS THIN CRISPS

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - CHOCOLATE CREME

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - CARB WELL CHOCOLATE

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - CHOCOLATE CREME MINI SNAK SAKS

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - CHOCOLATE FUDGE COVERED

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - CHOCOLATE MINI BITE SIZE PACKS 2 GO!

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - CHOCOLATE FUDGE MINT COVERED

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - CHOCOLATE MINI FUN SIZE EASTER

OREO - CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM CONES

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - CHOCOLATE MINI FUN SIZE HALLOWEEN

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - CHOCOLATE MINI BITE SIZE

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - CHOCOLATE STAY FRESH

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - CHOCOLATE MINI BITE SIZE GO-PAK

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - CHOCOLATE WHITE FUDGE COVERED

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - DOUBLE DELIGHT CHOCOLATE MINT'N CREME

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - MINI BITE SIZE SNAK SAKS

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES DOUBLE STUF - DOUBLE STUF

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES CHOCOLATE - MINI FUN SIZE HOLIDAY

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES DOUBLE STUF - DOUBLE STUFF

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - OREO

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - GOLDEN UH-OH WITH CHOCOLATE CREME

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - OREO

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - HALLOWEEN ORANGE CREME

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - PACKS 2 GO! 12 CT

OREO - PIE CRUST - PIE CRUST

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - SPRING PURPLE CREME

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - PURE MILK CHOCOLATE COVERED

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES CHOCOLATE - STAY FRESH PK. VALUE PK.

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - PURE MINT MILK CHOCOLATE COVERED

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - WINTER WITH RED CREME

OREO - SANDWICH COOKIES - REDUCED FAT

"Golden Uh-Oh with Chocolate Creme?" "Halloween Orange Creme?" "Spring Purple Creme?" "Winter with Red Creme?"

What the hey is this? Diversity in my Oreos. I can't even buy Oreos now, because I'm either too confused by what kind I'm s'posed to get, or fear that if I buy what I like, I'll offend the "Winter with Red Creme" set.

And don't get me started on what they've done to "Chips, Ahoy!"

I never wanted to know if ROM: Spaceknight bought Jetson's comicbooks so he could look at Rosie.I received a few stares from laughing at this. In the confusing spirit of both retribution and edification (after a fashion), I respond with the following ...

WARNING!!! WARNING!!! Incredibly geeky discussion of the etymology of certain colloquial expressions DEAD AHEAD!!! All engines DEAD STOP!!! Properly warned ye be, says I! I'd turn back if I were you! Here be dragons. You may not survive to pass this way again! This be the last friendly voice you'll hear! Don't come crying to me if you read this and are then sorry you did so!!!

(who really doesn't know what "crock" means.)
Okay, I just can't help myself. "A load of crock" doesn't really make sense (although we all know what you mean) because it's a combination of two euphemisms (how odd that I have reason to use that word in back-to-back posts). The first one is, let's say, "a load of [stuff]." The other is "a crock of stuff." A "crock," in this sense, is a large earthenware jar or pot. So, theoretically, you could take your theoretical load of stuff and store it, should you feel the admittedly strange need to do so, inside a crock. Use of the expression "that's a crock of [stuff]" to describe something dubious was gradually truncated into the simpler, shorter (and less likely to offend in mixed company) expression "that's a crock" -- the unsaid end of the expression was simply understood. But the use of both "load" and "crock" interchangeably naturally morphed into this new hybrid, because people instinctively realize that shortening the other expression to say "that's a load" simply sounds wrong. So the misbegotten sideshow freak expression of the family, "a load of crock," was born.

So everyone knows what you mean when you say it, so it works. But it really makes just as much sense as saying "a crock of load." It's like those who say "I could care less" when what they really mean is "I couldn't care less." Hearing it, to my ears, is like fingernails on a chalkboard, but those who do it usually claim there's no difference when, patently, there is a huge difference.

Yeah, I know, I know ... you're deeply sorry you ever mentioned it!

Qapla'

SSB

"A load of crock"? I've never heard anyone say that before in my life! One might as well say "a bunch of bunch" or "a pile of pile"!
"Golden Uh-Oh with Chocolate Creme?" "Halloween Orange Creme?" "Spring Purple Creme?" "Winter with Red Creme?"

What the hey is this? Diversity in my Oreos. I can't even buy Oreos now, because I'm either too confused by what kind I'm s'posed to get, or fear that if I buy what I like, I'll offend the "Winter with Red Creme" set.Not having bought packaged cookies in the last 20 years or so, I had no idea there were so many Oreo products now. "Golden Uh-Oh with Chocolate Creme" sounds like a schoolyard euphemism for "didn't make it to the bathroom"!

And as for gay comic-book heroes, everybody's known about Batman and Robin for a long time — just ask Dr. Frederick Wertham!

For all intensive purposes, I could care less about mispronounciations and mispellings. I won't be drug into it, but wallah! Their it is! But I ax you! Its not like nucular war, is it? We should take a different tact.

Anyway, this Batwoman thing is just a lot of hoopla. In my opinion, if DC had wanted to appeal to that huge "L" segment of the comic-buying public, they'd have done better to suggest her preference through an absence of any romantic storylines for the character ... because when people see a strong, attractive female character who doesn't need men for romance, the big L rumors start to fly, lending an "underground" appeal to the character. I think Wonder Woman had that impression going for a while.

I've always thought her mask was goofy.

I'll bet that all that hoo-ha about diversity in the article is just that: hoo-ha

It's kinda like "Oreos."...Y'know, the one that EVERYBODY liked.

Heh, in light of that Batwoman article, these expressions could take an entirely different meaning...

Jose - I saw this today and sent off an email to Dave Metzner congratulating him on producing such a timely model kit.

Let him know that his prescience is mystifying and further cements his god-like status. :thumbsup:

José

"A load of crock"? I've never heard anyone say that before in my life! One might as well say "a bunch of bunch" or "a pile of pile"!

How aboout "a load of fetid dingo's kidneys"? Personally, I think you're all full of "balloon juice". Or is that "sailboat fuel"?

African-Americans, Hispanics, and Asians are all types of "races."

Um, actually (and this doesn't detract from your original point, but) Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. Hispanics are still Caucasian, just a sub-set of Caucasian. Ditto with what we commonly call "white."

It's about time comics got in on the hot lesbian action brought to the fore by Howard Stern.

Hopefully, Batwoman will hit on Wonder Woman, The Huntress, Batgirl, Powergirl, Supergirl, Saturn Girl, Dream Girl, Herlequin, Poison Ivy, and Triplicate Girl/Duo Damsel.

There could be a hot action centerspread of the month.

For all intensive purposes, I could care less about mispronounciations and mispellings. I won't be drug into it, but wallah! Their it is! But I ax you! Its not like nucular war, is it? We should take a different tact.Who cares about grammar, usage, exetera? We should of stood on topic, irregardless!Um, actually (and this doesn't detract from your original point, but) Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. Hispanics are still Caucasian, just a sub-set of Caucasian. Ditto with what we commonly call "white."Truth be told, most ethnic/racial labels are pretty meaningless. "Black" people are usually brown, "white" people are beige-ish pink, and "Hispanic" can mean just about anyone whose last name ends with the letter "Z". Doesn't make any difference to me -- I like comic-book lesbians of all colors!

Who cares about grammar, usage, exetera? We should of stood on topic, irregardless!

If'n ya'll are prolly fixin' ta go postle, lemme git ma peace.

"Hispanic" can mean just about anyone whose last name ends with the letter "Z".

Well, based on that I've got news to tell my Jewish friend Liepowicz (you're IN man!) and bad news to tell my brown friend Pimentel (sorry dude, you're outta the tribe).

José

He he - this is a great thread! "Load of crock" certainly sounds funny though! El Gato, after reading your post and looking at your avatar, I cracked up! :D

"Load of Crock" is a very old expression. I've heard - and used - it a number of times. And, YES, I agree... it IS a load of crock!

- GJS

BTW, it's actually "For all INTENTS and PURPOSES" not "Intensive purposes" unless of course your purposes are very intense. : ^ )

"Load of Crock" is a very old expression. I've heard - and used - it a number of times. And, YES, I agree... it IS a load of crock!

- GJS

BTW, it's actually "For all INTENTS and PURPOSES" not "Intensive purposes" unless of course your purposes are very intense. : ^ )

What a maroon!

a race is something we call a group of humans just like a murder is a group of crows, a smack of jellyfish, a gaggle of geese...you get the idea. the term "race" is not valid when it comes to ethnicity (eg, latino, anglo, afro, etc, yadda, et al)

What everyone needs to realize is that there is only ONE race:

Human.

Don't look at me. I'm from a small planet somewhere in the vicinity of Betelgeuse. :wave:

What everyone needs to realize is that there is only ONE race:

Human.Wow, that's so, like, deep, man!

BTW, it's actually "For all INTENTS and PURPOSES" not "Intensive purposes" unless of course your purposes are very intense. : ^ )It's a pedantic grudge match! A prescriptivist smackdown! You and me, pal! ;)

"Now you see, Andy, first the atom splits into what they call the monicle. And then the monicle busts and breaks down into what they call neutrons, protons, fig newtons, and morons."

- George "Kingfish" Stevens

El Gato, after reading your post and looking at your avatar, I cracked up! :D

Wa'chu talkin' 'bout, Willis? :devil:

"Now you see, Andy, first the atom splits into what they call the monicle. And then the monicle busts and breaks down into what they call neutrons, protons, fig newtons, and morons."

- George "Kingfish" Stevens

"Now, hold on dere Kingfish....!"

- GJS

[QUOTE=scotpens "Golden Uh-Oh with Chocolate Creme" sounds like a schoolyard euphemism for "didn't make it to the bathroom"![/QUOTE]

Oh lordy, I near bust a gut reading that! :lol:



And since others have posted petty annoyances, here's mine - it's not "enterance", it's "entrance"...

"Now, hold on dere Kingfish....!"

Now, is that the Kingfish, the Thingfish or Lisa Douglas? :p

And since others have posted petty annoyances, here's mine - it's not "enterance", it's "entrance"...

It's library, not "libary". My photoshop teacher kept using that term and I don't know what kept me from kicking his ass.

It was probably getting an F in class.

José

Two classics from my wife: "Star Track" and "It's a mute point."

It's library, not "libary". My photoshop teacher kept using that term and I don't know what kept me from kicking his ass.

It was probably getting an F in class.

José

That's "LiBERY"

Others that annoy me are: 'Light Bub' instead of 'Light bulb'. And 'Standing in a roll' instead of 'Standing in a row'.

- GJS

Two classics from my wife: "Star Track" and "It's a mute point."Tell her that if it's a mute point, then she should just shut up! (In a nice way, of course.)Others that annoy me are: 'Light Bub' instead of 'Light bulb'. And 'Standing in a roll' instead of 'Standing in a row'.Where did you hear those? Do you regularly hang out with people with room-temperature I.Q.’s? :jest:

Others that annoy me are: 'Light Bub' instead of 'Light bulb'. And 'Standing in a roll' instead of 'Standing in a row'.

- GJS

???
I'm not seeing the light, bub.....????

"Um, actually (and this doesn't detract from your original point, but) Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. Hispanics are still Caucasian, just a sub-set of Caucasian."

Justin80,
Naw Man, that's all messed up. Hispanics is a "race." They're called "hispanics" because they're originally from "Spain." Spaniards from Mexico are "Hispanics" and Spaniards from Spain are "Spaniards." You can tell the difference because even though they talk the same, the ones from Mexico wear big, floppy hats while the guys from Spain wear Silver metal helmets and breastplates.

It's just like "Whitey." "Whitey" from above the Mason-Dixon jar are called "Yankees." "Whitey" from south of the jar are called "Rednecks." And "Frenchmen" who live in Quebec are called "Canadians." See?

--Hawg (who still thinks that a lez Batwoman is a crock of load.)

Do you think the new Batwoman will be a spokesperson for
"Snap-On Tools"?

Some of my favorite words: ecscape, drownding and prolly. Used in a sentence: The drownding victim was prolly unable to ecscape the strong current.

From the TV show JOEY, an explanation of the term "Moo Point":

"It's a moo point. You know, like when a cow says something. Nobody cares what a cow thinks, right? So if you say something that doesn't matter, it's like a moo point".

Let's not forget "expresso" instead of "espresso." Or the creation of new and unnecessary back-formations like "surveil" and "contracept" and "orientated." When typesetting résumés, I've had to explain to more than one customer that there are no such words as "administrated" and "broadcasted"! And this is coming from people with college degrees!

And why has just about everyone forgotten that "February" has two R's in it?

And what does all this have to do with Batwoman coming out of the closet?

Actually, until now, I'd never heard of an "official" Batwoman character. The only Batwoman I was aware of was in Jerry Warren's 1966 epic!

Let's not forget "expresso" instead of "espresso." Or the creation of new and unnecessary back-formations like "surveil" and "contracept" and "orientated." When typesetting resumes, I've had to explain to more than one customer that there are no such words as "administrated" and "broadcasted"! And this is coming from people with college degrees!

Those have always bothered me, too!

And why has just about everyone forgotten that "February" has two R's in it?

And don't forget WEDNESDAY which most people mispronounce as 'WENSDAY'.

And what does all this have to do with Batwoman coming out of the closet?

Nothing really... it's just about 100 times more interesting and relevant.

Actually, until now, I'd never heard of an "official" Batwoman character. The only Batwoman I was aware of was in Jerry Warren's 1966 epic!

http://www.theclubhouse1.net/museum/mag/tec233a.jpg

Batwoman was originally Kathy Kane back in the 1950's, a former circus aerialist turned society heiress. Her neice, Betty Kane, who was Robin's contemporary, became Bat-Girl.
The Batwoman character was dropped when the Silver-age of comics was ushered in and DC characters were streamlined. The character was brought back in the late seventies only to be killed off.

http://www.hillcity-comics.com/toys/batgirl_batwoman.jpg

This new incarnation of Batwoman is supposed to have the same name - Kathy Kane - but, whether she shares any other traits and characteristics of the original character remains to be seen.



- GJShttp://www.washblade.com/blog/images/batwoman-l.jpg

Actually, until now, I'd never heard of an "official" Batwoman character. The only Batwoman I was aware of was in Jerry Warren's 1966 epic!


And a nice compainon piece to Ray Dennis Steckler's magnum opus from that halcyon era.

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00008V2US.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

And then there's the "Hispanic" version: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.geocities.com/evilskip42/batwoman_ital.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.geocities.com/evilskip42/batwoman.html&h=690&w=370&sz=42&tbnid=BBQ1Y6HD4XhyzM:&tbnh=137&tbnw=73&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbatwoman&start=3&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=3

The original Silver Age Batwoman preceded Batgirl by a few years and was a member of the subversively non-traditional "Batman Family", which included Bat-Mite and Ace The Bat-Hound. Suffice to say, they were way ahead of their time. A little known piece of Bat-Trivia: Kane's good friend Barbara Stanwyck designed her distinctive costume.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Batman133.JPG

I kinda like this Italian costume better:

http://www.geocities.com/evilskip42/batwoman_ital.jpg

Haven't quite figured out why.

José

And don't forget WEDNESDAY which most people mispronounce as 'WENSDAY'.Actually the pronunciation "Wensday" is correct — check any dictionary. Wednesday comes from the Old English Wdnesdaeg or "Woden's Day," Woden being a Norse/Germanic god. Over the centuries the pronunciation was slurred and simplified.I kinda like this Italian costume better. . . The posters with the title Batwoman, l’invincibile superdonna are in Italian. The ones that say La mujer murciélago are in Spanish. The artwork appears to be the same. Now, that's what I call a Batwoman costume: cowl, cape, gloves, boots, and not much else! That chick's got a killer body — she definitely looks like she could kick some serious butt. (Though I'm sure the artist exaggerated the actress's attributes somewhat.)

Actually the pronunciation "Wensday" is correct — check any dictionary. Wednesday comes from the Old English Wdnesdaeg or "Woden's Day," Woden being a Norse/Germanic god. Over the centuries the pronunciation was slurred and simplified.

Over the centuries the pronunciation was slurred and simplified - and accepted. But the acceptance and perpetuation of an error doesn't make it correct. Not any more than Colonel is pronounced 'Kernal'.

- GJS

A little known piece of Bat-Trivia: Kane's good friend Barbara Stanwyck designed her distinctive costume.
So arguably, Batwoman is just returning to her golfin' and slacks-wearing origins.

Even so, I'll still keep an eye on any more rising classes of nouveau Hydrox come latelies ... eternal vigilance...