whats up with these new pro-match spec packs and trinity spec packs?

are the track owners gonna allow both types of batteries? i figured when they would make a 2000 mah spec pack v/s trinity's 1600 mah pack controversy would start.

i will occasionally race spec pan car next season along with my son. so whats gonna happen here? i don't like buying something i can't use.

anybody?

Cory

It will depend on the tracks you may race at and the location in the country.

If a track has ARCOR affiliation I would think that the 1600 ma packs will be what they use. Most of these tracks are located in the mid-atlantic(NC,SC,VA,TN and a few in PA and OH). Jeff at Pro-Match has produced the 2000 ma spec packs for a group of racers that are doing a class for S/K modifieds( this class has a strong showing in the notheast). Pro-Match has also produced a 1600 ma pack. I am not sure if it is in the same battery swrink wrap as the 2000. I hope for tech purposes that they are different. Other wise they would have to be banded all together were the Trinity 1600 packs are used. Maybe Jeff knows something others do not(like the 1600 battery may not be here for long)

The GP-1600 cell is no longer available , thats why the complaining about the poor replacement Trinity chose.
GP still makes the GP-2000 nicad and plans on to for some time, its a time tested cell and will make a great replacement.

Its still up to the indidual tracks , not really as big a problem as some racers are making it out to be.

true spec racing= trinity speed spec packs,trinity spec motors, and spec tires with the ring around the foam.

anything other changes to that is up to the track owners for "their particular track".

for instance, don't show up at guy smiley's track that uses trinity spec packs while you're geared up to run at jose cuervo's track that uses pro-match packs. they probably won't let ya run spec.

this is all my opinion of course :cool:

[QUOTE=NCFRC]The GP-1600 cell is no longer available , thats why the complaining about the poor replacement Trinity chose.
GP still makes the GP-2000 nicad and plans on to for some time, its a time tested cell and will make a great replacement.


The trinity 1600 spec packs ARE STILL AVAILABLE.We run them at our track,in spec class,we use truck bodies but other than that it's trinity 4 cell spec batteries,trinity 21T spec mtors and BSR spec tires.

You didn't listen to what I said " the GP-1600 cell is no longer available ".

Trinity has come up with a 1600 cell but its not made by GP.

How can your class be true spec if you run BSR tires vs. the Trinity spec ??

One manufacturer for everything is never a healthy situation !!

NCFRC, In this area cars run on caps on concrete and asphalt tracks. Trinity does not make a cap tire period, but John at BRS makes a spec tire that has spec molded in the sidewall. Mixing foams with caps is not a good idea(different rubber and traction compounds in the track). Why can't people accept the fact that there are many different forms of a spec class racing, some use spec motors, batteries, and tires from one manufacture in an effort to control cost. Most any form of racing is a spec class unless there are no rules period. There is always something specked to conform to.

I would have to say that the only spec rules that have a strong regional support are the ARCOR Spec class rules. Also the ARCOR rules do allow other manufactures to submitted items for the class. Pro-Match had a 1600 ma battery that was and still is used. The foam tires were open to BSR, TRC, T&M and anyone who made an identifiable spec tire. Remember spec is just a name, a form of standards, not a law.

You didn't listen to what I said " the GP-1600 cell is no longer available ".

Trinity has come up with a 1600 cell but its not made by GP.

How can your class be true spec if you run BSR tires vs. the Trinity spec ??

One manufacturer for everything is never a healthy situation !!


OK I'll give you that it isn't made by GP but it's still a spec battery.
We run BSR spec tires,we run caps and Trinity doesn't make a cap tire.
The one manufacturer thing has it's downsides but it has worked for the past 8 or so years,so why mess with it? Nascar is going to have a car soon that is going to be made by one manufacturer,why? cause they want equality across the board.

I've got some questions...may be silly to you guys though, as I normally don't run a spec battery class but I am interested in it.....with the pro-match batteries...couldn't a guy "zap" the cells since there aren't shrink wrapped like the trinity ones are? Secondly, are most of the "spec" classes running standard 4 minutes races or breakout or laps? just wondered, thanks for the info.

You can Zap the shrink wrapped ones too....

You can Zap the shrink wrapped ones too....

You can,but it's not legal,the shrink isn't supposed to be compromised in any way.Hyro,we run 4 min races, it's up to the track,but with such low quality cells I wouldn't want to be racing 5 mins in this class,you're at the max runtime at our track and 5 mins would really cut down on the speeds as you would have to REALLY gear down.

the new pro-match packs are already zapped.

the new pro-match packs are already zapped.


Yes they are , and that takes some of the advantage away from the more knowledgable racer that zaps a Trinity non-zapped pack.
Re-zapping a Pro-Match spec pack shows no improvement.

after a couple weeks of use it will

Some one asked track owners to jump in, so here goes. Thunder Road will run ARCOR SPEC NasTruck rules. That means a Trinity SPEC battery pack. Period. Thanks; Ernie P. :cool:

thanks ernie

Saturday,i charged my last remaining "new" [i thought] pack of trinity cells[6c] that i had been babying along,after 1 pack dying and another catching fire,and sure enough after about 2 minutes in the run the car abruptly stopped on the track,and smoke began to pour out of it! The rear tab had shorted and the cap melted.[this was at a 5 amp charge with a .03 peak btw].Track owner brings me over a couple more "new" packs to try.He pointed out that these packs had a much bigger tab between the cells,and the lead wire was much stiffer.Charged at 6 amps,these packs ran flawlessly and on par with the GP spec packs,with no excessive heat after the run.But,he says the person spoken with at Trinity says there were no changes to them.Hmmmmm......

We run a spec class at lail speedway the only battery that is legal a this time is the trinity spec pack. As of this time we haven't had any battery failures with the newer trinity packs.



lee ricker

Alot of manufacturers push to their sales staff "NO , WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS, NEVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN.

OH WELL , pretty dated thinking

To date I've sold about 80 packs of the "new" Trinity Spec packs. I've had 3 returned, one of those was due to damage in shipping. That's 3 more than I like, but thats not a terrible average. The most important thing is, Trinity will stand behind them. I saw a pack of the Pro-Match batteries, just one pack. Based on the numbers from that one pack, I see better numbers out of the Trinity packs. My concern is that as long as they built side by side, someone will match cells and people will zap cells. You can zap a stick pack, but it dosen't make much difference. When you can zap each individual cell, it makes a difference.

Mitch you are right. I am not going to bash any individual battery company, but I have seen them all go up in smoke. Stick pack, or matched pack. I have had dead cells from both as well. No cell will be perfect, and this debate will go on forever because the meaning of "spec" racing is up to the track. Like I have said before that is not a bad thing, just makes it harder for out-of-towners.

Mitch you are right. I am not going to bash any individual battery company, but I have seen them all go up in smoke. Stick pack, or matched pack. I have had dead cells from both as well. No cell will be perfect, and this debate will go on forever because the meaning of "spec" racing is up to the track. Like I have said before that is not a bad thing, just makes it harder for out-of-towners.

Track owners can make it real simple,follow the Arcor rules,then everybody is on the same sheet of music,if there are any questions about classes or rules you always have arcor to ask.

Pepe; it seems pretty simple when you say it that way. Thanks; Ernie P. :cool: