Had a fun season this summer, Thanks for lettin' us play at your house Ovalman.
Too bad the mini-T's didn't get many racers, they really are a fun little vehicle. We didn't break much on them at all either, once we got the bugs worked out of them. I heard a rumour that we may have some new ozite for the winter racing season!

Warbird: Joy and I are planning on being there, Andy. We're looking forward to trading some paint with you Ohio Outlaws. Haven't heard anything from the rest of the posse, but they know about it. I think RAFster's idea of a big party tent would be a good idea the way the weather is.

I heard a rumour that we may have some new ozite for the winter racing season!

Where'd you hear this ugly rumor? You trying to say that carpet that went up on the hill to be burned at the end of last season wasn't fit to race on anymore? Hell it was probably only about 12-15 years old (or more)! :lol: As a matter of fact I'm beginning to lean more into the direction of the "real" stuff (ozite). I've already contacted CRC about $$ amount on their new Fasttrack carpet and I might just take the plunge. First thing is to find out when I can get in the 4-H Center and then go from there.

On the Mini-T front, I REALLY figured we'd get a better turnout of them this summer. I was kind of bummed because they are fun to watch. Whole track racing next year? You guys seemed to enjoy it. :)

Real ozite????

Maybe smooth enough for......pancars:cool:

look forward to seeing you guys, we may make the winter trip over again (minus snow storm)

can anyone tell me the site for TRC. I tryed trc and trcracing.com but no luck

Andy, if you're lookin for TRC tires, you can get to them from Trinity's site www.teamtrinity.com

thanks :thumbsup: the rally needs some new foams

ovalman: can you order stuff from trinity?

Could someone give me their oppinion....t maxx vs savage....this will be my first truck (actually first r/c)

Jerry

My opinion may be a little bias because I owned a savage, but I would get another one of them instead of a t-maxx. I know a lot of people with t-maxxs and e-maxxs and they run good, but my savage never really had any major breakdowns. I ran the heck out of it at the track and at home. I was climbing 30ft tall dirt mounts with it one day, and clearing the triple jump the next day at the track. It did have a couple problems here and there, but nothing big. I have heard of some problems with the t-maxxs, but from what I have seen from them running at the track, they seem like a good choice too. If this is going to be your first major r/c, you might want to look into getting an electric. Electrics are not as fast as gas trucks in general, but are so much easier to use. Gas trucks are fun, but if you don't know what you are doing, or don't have someone that can help, they can (and will) be a pain in the butt. They are not like a lawn mower where you put gas in them and run it, they need to be tuned everytime you run, and cleaned up after. I hope you have fun with what ever truck you end up getting. Just remember, one thing to keep in mind is when you break your truck, (and you will, trust me!) make sure that your local hobby shop carries parts for it. It sucks sitting at home while you are waiting for a part to come in the mail to fix it.

Hope I was of some help. Ask around and you will get more answers. If you want more info on either truck, try these 2 websites.

For the t-maxx, go here: MaxxTraxx (http://www.maxxtraxxusa.com/)
For the savage, go here: Savage Central (http://www.savage-central.com/)

Thank you. I appreciate your input. I have talked with the local shop where I live, They are going to give me all the service help I need and free track time for buying their truck (savage). They seem to carry alot of parts, so hopefully I can learn how to service/repair as needed. You have been very helpful, thanks again....
Jerry

Real ozite????

Maybe smooth enough for......pancars:cool:
Unfortunately Paul, probably not. The floor itself is what causes a few of our "bump" problems. I have a couple ideas I'm planning to try to smooth things out a little more this year but new carpet, any carpet will be a good start. :)

Andy........like Polli said, TRC can be had through Trinities website as TRC is owned by Trinity. Yes I can get TRC items, just let me know what you need. What do you think those mounted foam tires are that you run on your truck? TRC :)

Jerry........SD pretty much covered things up for you. I've had different people tell me different things about both trucks, good and bad. One thing that they almost always come back to is the finicky engine on the TMaxx that can be a problem. From the sounds of things the HPI (Savage) engine runs and stays tuned much better. Durability of both seem to be about equal except for those that beat the living daylights out of a vehicle and then the Savage pulls ahead by a little bit. It sounds like you have done the right thing by talking to your local shop and if they supply you with good support then I'd say go with their recommendation. Either way, good luck and have fun!

The off road season has been complete and the designs are now too. Check out the off road section at RER/CR&H (www.racersedgerc.com) to see what we'll be racing on next year. I've already gotten started moving pipes around but have to wait till my Bro' is available to go much farther as he be the tractor driver. :)

I'll be finding out Monday when we can get into the 4-H Center and then the planning goes from there. :thumbsup:

It should have 2 parallel straightaways with 1/2 circles on each end to connect them....:thumbsup:

For the 4H center, you could save on new carpet if you could talk them into bringing in clay!!

Just cause you can't figure out how to turn the wheel the other direction doesn't mean the rest of don't know how! :jest: Some day my friend, I don't know when but some day.......

Clay in the 4-H Center...........oooooo dunno if I want in on the cleanup on that! :lol:

Whaddya mean? I was turning right a lot at the fair!

Andy........like Polli said, TRC can be had through Trinities website as TRC is owned by Trinity. Yes I can get TRC items, just let me know what you need. What do you think those mounted foam tires are that you run on your truck? TRC :)
Ovalman: The foams are for the Hpi, the ones from last year are alittle chunked from bump'in bods with SPC,Polli,and mike. plus the rims don't match the new bod:p but I don't know when I can order them through I'm waiting for the evader pay.


vfib411: All I can tell ya is I hope you have better luck with your nitro than what I have with mine. good luck!

Whaddya mean? I was turning right a lot at the fair!
Doesn't count when you're turning right to go left! :p

Andy......whenever you're ready just let me know what compounds you want.

ovalman: how much would it cost to order TRC 1/10 scale touring Double purple fronts and purple rear foam tires off you?

hey rick do you know how much it would cost for a 88 tooth spur gear for my xxxs.

Andy.........they list for the same price as the mounted/trued truck tires so I "should" be able to get them for the same price and sell them for the same price of $22.50 a pair. If not then they will probably be around $25 a pair.

Mike.......part #LOSA3945.......$5.00

okay then could you order me double purple fronts and purple rears?

Thanks!

hey ovalman i was wondering what type of gearing should i run for production right now i have a 98t spur gear but i dont know what i should have on there for the pinion or the spur gears

Andy......yep, I can the next order I put in. Might be a couple weeks because bidness is kind of slow right now. :)

knoxville........98T???? Are you sure that isn't an 86T? :) If it's a red gear it's probably a 86T otherwise it might be one of those odd BK pitch gears or something. The couple guys that run Production here can probably help you out more than I can but I'd try somewhere in the neighborhood of 86/24 (8.71) to start out with those TRC tires. You can go up or down from there on pinion or spur if need be. Maybe Andy can give you an idea on what final drive ratio he uses on his Evader as he was one of the faster guys last year.

thanks rick.


Knoxville: I don't know if you know to get the Final Drive Ratio but unless randy has found away to make his and amanda's trucks faster than mikes and mine. this set up should be good last year where close to the same speeds, we were almost able to keep up with some stock truckers. Anyway you want your FDR to be 7.4-7.5 . But if this is your first time on carpet oval that might be a little fast so try like 8-8.8 like rick said.

Yes as Andy said, you should look at what my signature says......A wise man once said, "To drive fast, first you must learn to drive". I'm guessing this will be your first time on carpet so trust me when I tell you it will take some time to master. Start out slow and you'll break a lot less parts. :thumbsup:

By the way.......to figure out your final drive ratio, take your spur gear divided by your pinion gear and multiply this by your gearbox ratio (in your case 2.43). When you get more into things you can also throw a rollout ratio in there that takes into account your tire diameter but that is more of a high end thing that even I don't hardly ever use and I've been doing this for 10+ years. :)

knoxville: Productions like a oval Demolition derby race you don't try to hit each other but some are learning to drive and they swerve trying to keep it straight and there going slow so you try to pass and all they have to do is barely just nip there rear tire and it automatically launches you up off track. Then If you get caught in the corner or the center pieace sure your only there for maybe 4-5 secounds but when you finally get unstuck your a lap or almost a lap down. Oval is just about avoiding the wrecks and go around without hitting stuff. And the last tip is the starting first turn, It's probaly the most deadly turn in production, you want to either be the first one off the line or the last that way you can either get out of the corner before the others pile up or after they pile up and "try" and go around them.

hey sorry bout that rick i guess it is 86 i couldnt tell it it was 86 or 98 so i went throught and counted them all :rolleyes: but to get a gear ratio of 7.7 i would have to get a pinion with 27 teeth on it so that is what i will probally do but the gear i have isnt red either its tan colored and it is made out of kevlar and thanks for tellin me how to get the gear ratio it helped out alot :)
and thanks for all the info evader andy i cant get enough of it u know :jest:
oh and rick that gear cover i got from ya for some reason it dont fit it says its should fit xxx-t's but the gear rubs on the inside shoud i let it go or should i sand it down with a dremel or does i need a different one i have a matt francis 2 xxxt

thanks for all the info evader andy i cant get enough of it u know :jest:No problem happy to help:thumbsup:

oh and rick that gear cover i got from ya for some reason it dont fit it says its should fit xxx-t's but the gear rubs on the inside shoud i let it go or should i sand it down with a dremel or does i need a different one i have a matt francis 2 xxxt
Ah I see, this is a MF2 truck. The way you talked is that it was a first generation MF truck. My understanding is that the RPM gear covers won't fit the Gen2 trannsmission (what you have if it's a XXXTMF2) "correctly" without a little modification. I know the 88T spur rubs on the RPM gear cover of my XXXTMF but have never tried a 86T. You might have to do a little dremeling.

POLLY, where are you???? We have somebody here that needs to know what you did to put the RPM gear cover on the Gen2 XXX tranny. :)

LOL. here I am. Why is the theme song from Mighty Mouse stuck in my head all of the sudden? :roll: Anyway's, all ya gotta do is take off the rear right wheel, (this will get in the way later) take out the 1 1/2 inch 4-40 screw that bolts the tranny to the shock tower and motor plate. (this screw runs horizontal with the rear A arms, dog bones, chassis, etc) Turn the screw around 180 degrees and run it through the gear cover, then the motor mount plate, then back through the shock tower and tranny. This will let the other mounting hole in the gear cover line up with the hole that is in the motor plate to the left of the spur gear. Use the screw that came with the gear cover to finish installing the gear cover. Don't worry, the tranny will still be secure once the gear cover is in place. Once you get the gear cover in place, you may find that the bottom of the gear cover and the plastic motor guard are in the way of each other. No worries, just push up on the bottom of the gear cover and it will "snap" into place, resting on top of the motor guard.
The reason why I said to remove the rear right wheel is because you'll find that it get's in the way when you try to get in at the tranny screw to remove install it along with the gear cover with your hex driver or allen wrench.
As far as spur gears go, both an 88 and 86 will fit; and possibly a 90( I didnt have one on hand to try out when I wrote this) The 88 just barely rubbed on the gear cover, while the 86 fit nicely. I'd recomend using sand paper to the inside of the cover until ya get the clearance that ya want. By using a dremel, ya run the risk of taking too much off; ruining the cover. If ya got hands like me, they tend to slip when ya least want them to.

And that should do it, welcome to RC, Knoxville!

hey thanks man i will have to try that tonight and im definatley sure that it is a matt francis 2 with and 86t spur gear but thanks for all the info :thumbsup:

Good show ol' boy! :) Sounds like a pain if you're going to be changing gearing though huh? Btw........you gotta smoke a cancer stick before dremelling then you won't have any problems! :jest: I dremeled mine some and during the race it still rubbed. Oh well, shouldn't have to worry about it anymore because it otta be worn in by now. :lol:

Actually, changing the gearing aint all that bad. Just remove the rear wheel and the 2 screws holding the gear cover on, and you're in! Just sucks a lil bit cuz one of those screws is an inch and a half long. So I'd definately pick up a hex driver.

Yea, I dremeled mine too cuz the bottom of the spur was rubbing, but by alot. If it was just barely rubbing, then I would have used sand paper. Better to take off a lil then too much, cuz ya cant glue back the plastic shavings once ya made a boo-boo lol

thanks rick.


Knoxville: I don't know if you know to get the Final Drive Ratio but unless randy has found away to make his and amanda's trucks faster than mikes and mine. this set up should be good last year where close to the same speeds, we were almost able to keep up with some stock truckers. Anyway you want your FDR to be 7.4-7.5 . But if this is your first time on carpet oval that might be a little fast so try like 8-8.8 like rick said.


I dunno what puddin's got in mind this year. When I last talked to him he was in midst of rebuilding his, amanda's an coverts trucks.

well hey guys when i was into nitro i port n polished all my engines with my dremel so i could say i am pretty good with a dremel. but i will tell u what them things can get u out of alot of trouble though :p

Oh you wouldn't believe what you can use a dremel for! I've even used mine as a makeshift lathe before. :) I think one of the mandatory items that should be purchased when starting R/C is a dremel. Superglue, black tape, and a dremel are mandatory construction/fixing items in R/C! :thumbsup:

Lol, I couldnt agree more, I want one of those rigs that turns your dremel into a drill press!

I agree with you guys....Joy bought me my first Dremel over 15 years ago. I remember thinking "What am I gonna do with that little toy?". Well I wore that one out and I've had two others since!

I have a drill press for Dremels I could part with, Pollie. I'll look for it.

I'd also like to add to that list of R/C essentials SHOE GOO.

I'd also like to add to that list of R/C essentials SHOE GOO.

How could I ever forget this stuff? Of course I've had good luck with using duct tape to repair bodies lately too. :)

LOOKING FOR INTEREST
Tom mentioned to me he'd like me to consider a EMaxx class for this winter. I know we've talked about this before and kind of come to the conclusion it might be to dangerous to run 10# trucks on our little track without a spectator getting hurt. What does everybody think? I'm half afraid of it myself. :(

Suggested rules:
Stock tires - no foams or other rubbers
Stock motors - no brushless or anything
Limited to two 6 cell packs - fast enough with 12 cells!

So what is everybodies thoughts?

On a separate subject. Anyone looking for SPC (www.specpointbatteries.com) batteries, I now have some in stock. I have always carried a more "main stream" name cell but the feedback I've gotten from people has Toms cells ranked just as high if not higher than the more well known names. From the sounds of things it's not going to take long for SPC to make a name for themselves in the R/C world either. Anybody that reads R/C Driver might have noticed that there is a local ad in the back of the magazine, none other than SPC. So if you're interested, I have 6 cell 1.16v packs and assembled 6 cell 1.14v packs available.

Last item:
The class structure (rules) is going to be changing this year for a couple classes. Stock truck and Pro stock truck are going to have some changes made and I will outline them in a short time. Just giving everyone a heads up. :thumbsup:

K1m, that sounds great! Keep me posted would ya?

LOOKING FOR INTEREST
Tom mentioned to me he'd like me to consider a EMaxx class for this winter. I know we've talked about this before and kind of come to the conclusion it might be to dangerous to run 10# trucks on our little track without a spectator getting hurt. What does everybody think? I'm half afraid of it myself. :(
Suggested rules:
Stock tires - no foams or other rubbers
Stock motors - no brushless or anything
Limited to two 6 cell packs - fast enough with 12 cells!
So what is everybodies thoughts?


I guess my thoughts...for what they're worth....#1 ->What is the suggested race times? 4 Mins as in the normal, or is the linking to increase it? As I know in the past there has been discussion as to lengthened out as of current, as racers not being ready when these races start. #2 - How many could u possibly get on the track? 3? and #3 - I have to agree with your comment rick..dangerous to run 10# trucks on our little track without a spectator getting hurt....just my 2 cents

The only threat I see is traction rolling of track by other than that give me some batts and I'm ready to go. I think it would look neat practicing with BRP's and Maxx's driving down the track and have a BRP pass under your chassie would be pretty cool.

I guess my thoughts...for what they're worth....#1 ->What is the suggested race times? 4 Mins as in the normal, or is the linking to increase it? As I know in the past there has been discussion as to lengthened out as of current, as racers not being ready when these races start. #2 - How many could u possibly get on the track? 3? and #3 - I have to agree with your comment rick..dangerous to run 10# trucks on our little track without a spectator getting hurt....just my 2 cents
#1 - All oval classes are going to 5 minutes this year. We did it for off road so I assume everyone will want it for oval also. If anyone has a problem with this please let me know and majority will rule again.

#2 - 3 would probably be MAX. And at that number we would have to be VERY careful. Of course catching a flying TC off a plow disk is just as dangerous so I dunno. :rolleyes:

So much for breaking 70 in 2wd stock this year...;)

Yes, an airborne Maxx is dangerous, but so is an airborne 1/10th scale stadium truck. How many times has one of them catapulted off the track and slammed into the computer stand? At the start of last years carpet season I launched my TC3 off a plow disc and watched it sail over a person who was sitting in the pits near the heater area. By controlling the number of racing Maxxes on the track everything should be fine. And it's not a cut in stone decision, if it's determined to be too dangerous than Rick can discontinue the class. As for the change to 5 minutes, that sounds great. If it proves to be too much for the motors (heat) than revert back to 4 minutes. Instead of shooting for 70 laps we’ll shoot for 87. If there is going to be heat related problem it will first show up in the Production Class. If so then maybe only that class should be 4 minutes. I support Rick for his progressive thinking and considering all of these changes. “Evader Andy” - We’ll control traction rolling by changing shock locations and shortening (zip ties) the shocks. I run my Maxx in my basement and it gets enough traction to wheelie at will, yet it never traction rolls unless I hit a corner marker. Let me know when you want to come over and give it a try with your Maxx. We could also work on the suspension.

So much for breaking 70 in 2wd stock this year...
You'll have to shoot for 85-90 with 5 minutes now. :) Heck maybe we'll eventually just start running 100 lappers........... :freak:

And it's not a cut in stone decision, if it's determined to be too dangerous than Rick can discontinue the class.
Yes, I don't want to test my liability insurance any more than necassary! ;)

Sometimes dangerous can be fun. ;) Besides, chicks dig scars! :devil:

Um........yea. :lol:

Class changes:
Stock truck will not really see many changes other than you will now be able to run the Terminator style chassis in this class. I think Adam pretty much proved you don't need an oval designed truck to break track records!

Pro stock truck will now be running 19T motors. Only the Chameleon/Chameleon 2 and Reedy 19t spec motors will be legal in the class for now. The class will also not have a weight limit anymore. You will also be able to run both Stock and Pro stock if you would like now. It seems most other tracks have a 19t program so I figured we otta give it a try also.

I think that's really the majority of the changes. Have a looksee at the rules (www.racersedgerc.com/rules.html) and let me know if there are any questions. I'm not going to set up an "official" rules class for the Maxxes until we find out how or if it will work.

hey ovalman i noticed the the track rules it says u need a frequencqy clip is that the little colored band of cloth u put on your transmitter?? or is it something different