Hey Polli, I don't know how much of a pain it might be, but have you tried taking the GT7 out of the BK2 and putting it in the XXX4? Just to see if it's the ESC?

Nopper.......sorry. Like we said before, there isn't much interest in 1/8 scale. :( Yes we have plugs at the shop. MC8s (medium cold) and Sure Fire #3s (hot).


Polli...........a glitch is a terrible thing to diagnose isn't it? Like SD said, I think I'd try switching ESCs next and see what happens. How about switching receivers between cars? Might even be the servo........

Ok thanks rick i will probally have to come down and get one break-in on the .26 killed mine well eventually there will be a buggy class i got one and my buddy is getting one so maybe intrest will catch on who knows we will have to wait and see

I put a new reciever into the xxx4, same deal. Taking the gt7 out of the bk2 isnt really an option because I'd have to rewire/add wire to it to get it to fit in the xxx4. I can however take the gt7 out of the xxx4 and put it in the bk2. I dont really wanna mess with the BK2, it's perfect the way it is, even though my driving skills arent lol :) I've already swapped servos back at the beginning of this "Glitch War", so I guess the only thing left is the esc and its lead wire and maybe putting a ferrite core magnet around it. uggh

Anoter pretty good turnout of racers this week! Things started off a little hairy as we had a little water pass through between 9:30-10 but the rest of the day was great. The track was a little better to start the day and the track records that fell (five) proved that. Let us hope our luck holds out now for the rest of the season as far as the weather is concerned.

Production - Joe Bootes - 11/5:18.44
Stock truck - Dennis Himes - 13/5:16.38
Electric Maxx - Tom Himes - 13/5:17.30
4wd buggy - Courtney Morse - 13/5:04.62
Mini-T - Joy Fortner - 20/5:11.23


Racers Edge R/C Racing & Hobbies 06-13-2004
-- Production - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 0 11 5:23.80 Joe Bootes 17 8.18
2 1 10 5:26.80 Austin Dunn 18 7.36
-- Stock truck - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 4 12 5:12.92 Tom Himes 11 9.23
2 0 12 5:23.98 Courtney Morse 10 8.91
3 1 11 5:04.98 Shaun Powell 7 8.68
4 2 11 5:06.20 Dennis Himes 21 8.65
-- Stock truck - B Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 6 11 5:03.66 Brian Hildom 15 8.72
2 4 10 5:09.65 Todd Comber 13 7.77
3 3 10 5:23.81 Andy Hildom 16 7.43
-- Mini-T - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id
1 1 17 5:00.24 Joy Fortner 24 0.00
2 8 11 2:40.00 Kim Fortner 23 0.00
-- 4wd buggy - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 0 13 5:04.62 Courtney Morse 8 10.27
2 9 11 4:35.00 Don Weimer 4 9.63
-- Electric Maxx - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 4 13 5:17.38 Tom Himes 12 9.86
2 0 11 5:05.17 Courtney Morse 9 8.68
3 8 11 5:14.40 Kim Fortner 22 8.42
4 5 11 5:15.99 Rick Morgan 1 8.38
-- 3 --- DNS --- Andy Eaton 6 0.00
-- 9 --- DNS --- Don Weimer 5 0.00
-- 1/10 Nitro truck - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 6 12 6:01.66 Brian Hildom 14 7.99
2 4 11 6:18.60 Adam Curry 3 6.99
3 3 8 6:04.14 Nicole Parrott 19 5.29
4 1 7 6:37.81 Terry Dunn 20 4.24
5 2 3 1:40.48 Chad Phares 2 7.19

Polli........MIA this week? Had two 4X4s to play with.

Yea, I saw that, wish I could have made it. I was still battling my glitch problems up till about 4pm. I think I got it taken care of though. I swapped out the esc lead wire from the gt7, set the drive profile to #1, re-did the one touch set up and took the heat sink off the motor. I stood about a hundred feet away from the car and tried to get the glitch to come back. It didnt. So hopefully the glitch war is over!

I want to thank K1m and Joy for the ride home and Snookie(i hpoe i spelled it right) for picking me up a table last week.

Rick, How much damage was done to the purple submarine?

Polli.......good to know. Let's hope that you did finally get that glitch gone.

Andy.........you said you saw smoke? Well I saw more today when I charged a couple packs after drying things all off and letting it sit overnight. :cry: It didn't really smell much after it happened but it does now. The only good news out of the deal is it appears (so far) that the receiver, servos, and motors are ok. I switched to the spare VX12 out of the other Maxx but I'll be saving for a new EVX now. :drunk: Don't forget your brown crystals next week!

Man, I really thought it'd be a gas truck that ended up in the water first! :( Do you think that orange fence would have stopped it Rick? I didn't see it happen, but if your EMaxx went for the creek at full throttle the fence may have only slowed it down alittle. I gotta say, I would have been PISSED! Too bad you couldn't save the ESC, it was worth a try anyway. Does Traxxas still service those or just replace them with EVX ?

N.P. E.A. (EvaderAndy)

Polli.......good to know. Let's hope that you did finally get that glitch gone.

Andy.........you said you saw smoke? Well I saw more today when I charged a couple packs after drying things all off and letting it sit overnight. :cry: It didn't really smell much after it happened but it does now. The only good news out of the deal is it appears (so far) that the receiver, servos, and motors are ok. I switched to the spare VX12 out of the other Maxx but I'll be saving for a new EVX now. :drunk: Don't forget your brown crystals next week!
Yeah there was smoke cause that one kid that came with nicole he went in the creek and got it and handed it to me and Sugar D said to unplug it and I got the body off and there was a little smoke before I pullled the plugs. I'm glad to hear it was just the ESC even though that's still pretty bad. And I got my crystals out of the evader and in the maxx:thumbsup:

Do you think that orange fence would have stopped it Rick?
Nope. It jumped the track and went under the fence into the field behind the barn, then it went in the creek. The orange fence didn't block that far over.


Sorry to hear about the ESC Rick.

Nope the orange fence wouldn't have done any good in this case. It went out through the pipe right at the lower corner by the crick (PA speak there). Of course we found out once last year that the fence doesn't do much for Maxxes anyway as Donalbain will attest to. Remember the week Elguapo tackled his as it headed for the water right next to the bridge? :) EVX is all I can do now.


Thanks for the sympathy over my loss SD. It was a good little VX12. Lost to the water gods as the magic smoke was let loose. May it RIP......... :cry:

Hey Rick-
Sorry for your loss, but if you need help with a proper burial, just let me know. I know how hard it is to let go of a VX-12, because of their age, but you should still be proud of such a great life.

(Couldn't resist my smart-axx comment) :jest:

Hehehehe! Yeah, we could cut it's wires off (organ donor) then we could power it up on an old car battery with the motor leads all shorted together and let the rest of it's smoke out of it (In my best Beavis voice) FIRE...FIRE...for a proper cremation!

El Guapo is a trained professional, do not try this at home kiddies!

:cry: :cry:

ronden: what was your opinion of the new XXXT-BK2?

Y'all are sick man...........JUST SICK! :jest:

Oh, btw, it's already become an organ donor and the remains have been placed in the round file. :lol:

Actually K1M, that would be XXXT-MF2. :)

I kinda find it a lil strange that Losi put the same tranny in both the BK2 and the MF2. No complaints, it's real smooth, and the case keeps the dirt out very well.

Hey, guys, stupid question from an out of towner. It looks like you have a special Mini-T track from the results; what's it like? Are those things a good place to start off-road, assuming you beef them up to avoid breakage?

Again, I'm hoping (dreaming?) of making it over there this summer, but I've gotta get wheels, while Wil runs my XXX (dang kid is WAY better'n me). And the Mini-Ts look so cool.

I kinda find it a lil strange that Losi put the same tranny in both the BK2 and the MF2. No complaints, it's real smooth, and the case keeps the dirt out very well.
Polli.........really? They had the same tranny in the BK and MF (2.43) so why the surprise? :)

Hi Nil......we actually run part of the off road track as the Mini-T track. I figured it would be best to shorten the track up for them to keep interest higher and besides, I think running the whole track would be boring with the little guys. :) I guess they would be a pretty good starting spot for off road. They are cheap to buy and run pretty well. The only thing I don't like about them is the non-interchangable electronics, no bearing in the wheels, and they come with friction shocks rather than good oil filled units. They are actually surprisingly durable as I've seen K1M beat the hell out of his the last couple weeks and he only has a few upgrades (BRP front bumper, different electronics, BRP shocks, help me out K1M........that it?).

Hi Nil: Good to see you found your way back here. Like Ovalman said, the mini-t part of the off road is alittle less than half the regular course, but it still requires you to go under a bridge (out of sight) and over jumps and a tabletop. But we shortcut at one point to come back to the bridge instead of over a monster triple and bumpy section and the rest of the track. It's almost all left turns but it's alot of fun. Looks like step pin tires are gonna work good......if you keep your eye on your truck and not try to drive the wrong one (like me). :p Joy and I are both running BRP shocks, tierods, and bearings. We also changed out the cheap electronics for some real stuff. She's got one of Bud's bumpers up front and I put a Trinity steering link on mine. They're alot of fun, but you have to beef them up abit to be able to run them hard without breaking.


I think we'll be coming out to Ohio to race with you "outlaws" on July 17. Since we'll be racing Mini-T's and BRP's that weekend, maybe we can convince some of the others there to do a road trip to Racer's Edge this summer.

Hey, k1m:

Glad to hear you'll be making it back. We don't know what we'll be doing for dogs this time, with 2sl00w (temporarily) out of the picture. Just don't let Bud near the grill!

Our first race (less rain out) came off pretty well, but the turn out was actually better when it was raining! I finished last (well, duh!). But I was the best driver there that didn't start 'til he was 50!

Sprint cars look to be the hot thing this year, but we have yet to see how the Mini-Ts will be.

[QUOTE=OvalmanPA]Polli.........really? They had the same tranny in the BK and MF (2.43) so why the surprise? :)

Well gee, I stand corrected :). For some reason I thought the MF was geared lower than the BK. I musta been thinkin of the ol xx days. Didnt the xx have a 2:19 and the xxt hava a 2:43? Or is my memory just maikin stuff up as it goes along? My memory hasn't been serving me well these days

Polli you been workin' at GKN to long............yer memories goin' man! :) When the XX/XXCR/XXT/XXTCR were the new kids on the block the cars had different tranny ratios. 2.19 for the buggy and 2.61 for the truck. Thank god when they went to the XXX series they went with the same tranny in both buggy and truck (2.43) and have held true to that with the latest editions (2.56?). I'm assuming they were watching what Associated was doing with the tranny and followed suite. Why they ever went with different ratios between the car and truck is beyond me? Seems to me the early JRX/LXT also had the same trannies (2.18) which for a truck was a little low if you ask me but that's what they made 90t spurs for! :lol:

I saw this Rick and just had to show it to you! Click here! (http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170551) :p

Hmmmm.........wonder if they'll still honor this? I'm going to get the serial numbers off the trucks and fill out the form. What am I out, a few minutes of my life is all? :thumbsup:

Wow, I guess I better start hittin the books, huh? 2.56 is the current ratio, though, it's in my manual :)

Hey Rick you racin your nitro this week? I finally got the air leak out of mine and got it all tuned and ready to go. just need some batteries do you sell sub C cells for glow plug starters? If not I'll just stop at dollar general on the way. let me know.

Right now I figure on it but this is tonight and we're racin' tomorrow. :) Sorry, no sub c NiCDs here.

A smaller turnout of racers today but the ones here had a great time. An old face showed up for the first time this season and walked out with the new Stock and Mod truck records. The track was a little bit of a pain with the sun being out how it was. It's unbelievable how quick the water can dry up that is put on between heats and let me tell ya, getting a nitro truck to hook up even marginally in the drier conditions is all kinds of fun. :) So far the weather has been co-operating with us so let's keep our fingers crossed that luck keeps going our way. One more week of racing before we take a break for the July 4th weekend.


Racers Edge R/C Racing & Hobbies 06-20-2004
-- Production - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 8 11 5:26.38 Joe Bootes 9 8.11
2 1 10 5:03.05 Terry Dunn 17 7.94
-- Stock truck - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 0 13 5:21.80 Adam Hamilton 3 9.72
2 2 13 5:30.66 Tom Himes 20 9.46
3 4 13 5:33.48 Courtney Morse 13 9.38
4 1 12 5:06.30 Dennis Himes 23 9.43
5 8 11 5:35.54 Steve Tarbox 7 7.89
-- Stock buggy - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 6 11 5:13.90 Paul Burlingame 14 8.43
2 2 11 5:21.91 Don Weimer 18 8.22
3 8 11 5:22.47 Steve Tarbox 8 8.21
-- Modified truck - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 0 12 5:02.77 Adam Hamilton 4 9.54
2 1 12 5:03.42 Dennis Himes 24 9.52
-- 4wd buggy - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 4 13 5:09.70 Courtney Morse 12 10.10
2 6 12 5:22.38 Paul Burlingame 15 8.96
3 2 11 5:01.12 Don Weimer 19 8.79
-- Electric Maxx - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 4 11 5:00.55 Courtney Morse 11 8.81
2 1 11 5:02.28 Tom Himes 21 8.76
3 5 11 5:05.29 Rick Morgan 1 8.67
4 3 9 5:04.10 Andy Eaton 10 7.12
-- 1/10 Nitro truck - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 5 13 6:15.29 Rick Morgan 2 8.34
2 4 11 6:25.98 Adam Curry 6 6.86
3 1 1 0:32.87 Chad Phares 5 7.32
-- 3 --- DNS --- Andy Eaton 22 0.00
-- 2 --- DNS --- Nicole Parrott 16 0.00

Andy........sure is aggrivating to have the truck run good all through practice and then won't run in the race isn't it? :( I feel for ya boy, I've had the same happen to me. :(

Polli........looks like the glitch monster is gone. Did you figure out the thing with the ESC?

Andy........sure is aggrivating to have the truck run good all through practice and then won't run in the race isn't it? :( I feel for ya boy, I've had the same happen to me. :(
Yeah last week it had an air leak so we fixed that and I drove it friday and saturday with no problems, Get to the track and practice and still works good go to race and el guapo finds a fuel leak and that it's runing to lean so I change the fuel line and richin it up a little then second round comes around and it woudn't start because It was flooded and the clutch nut was a little to tight allowing the wheels to spin when I tryed to start it and after that my glow plug starter crapped out. so I practice at intermission ran great again, then SPC says it's runing to rich and that the low speed ldle is off so. I got a total of 4 tanks of runing threw it at home, A lap and a half on the track, And 20 minutes of run time by Ricks barn to me it just dosen't add up!

hey rick do u know where i can get a copy of the roar rules and if there are any off road rules a friend of mine wants a copy of them

Here (http://www.roarracing.com/rules/index.htm) are the rules for ROAR. And here (http://www.racersedgerc.com/rules.html) are the rules for Rick's track.

yep, Rick, I think I finally got control of the glitchy lil beast. I'm still loookin for that "magic" suspension set up, though. It's gettin better

SD is right on top of the game here. :thumbsup: Hey, where were you Sunday btw there buddy?


Polli.........Still don't think you have enough power. :jest: I'm having problems with suspension myself on both the Maxx and Nitro. Think I need some stiffer springs on the Maxx and the Nitro............well let's just say traction isn't something it's known for right now. :)

hey rick is there an adjustment on that servo saver I bought off you for the maxx cause mine wouldn't turn sitting still with the servo saver and would turn full lock sitting still without it, any tips or adjustment's?

Hey, where were you Sunday btw there buddy?

I was abducted by aliens. Let me tell ya, hitting jumps on the moon with the LXT yeilds some awsome air! :p

hey rick is there an adjustment on that servo saver I bought off you for the maxx cause mine wouldn't turn sitting still with the servo saver and would turn full lock sitting still without it, any tips or adjustment's?
Sorry Andy there aren't any adjustments on the servo saver but it seems like it'd have a strong enough spring to allow turning sitting still since it's designed for 1/8 scale buggies. :confused: Hmmm......not going to be much help here I guess. I never had any problems with mine but I never worried about turning sitting still either. ;) Right now I'm running one of the Pro-Line servo savers designed for the T-Maxx on mine. The only problem with it is that it takes some "engineering" to work on an E-Maxx.

is there any way to like stretch the spring to make it stiffer?

How hard is it to strip a all metal geared servo? And does a maxx really need a servo saver for racin?

is there any way to like stretch the spring to make it stiffer?

How hard is it to strip a all metal geared servo? And does a maxx really need a servo saver for racin?
Not to my knowledge. A FULL metal geared servo would be real hard to strip but if I remember correctly the 945s have one plastic gear in it. Gotta have some give somewhere. :) I'd say yes you will need a servo saver.

It seems the reaction speed is quicker without it but with it reacts like the stock servo. Is it possiable that it's that the sevo saver's defective? I might buy another servo saver and try that one and see if it's the same way.

Andy: Check to see if your swivel balls are binding. Un hook the servo and turn the wheels by pushing and pulling on the rod. It should be completely free and easy to turn. I bound mine up once messing with the suspension and it didn't turn very well because of it. I mean the allen heads you adjust thru the wheel spokes. Something to check anyway.

And yes... you need a servo saver ESPECIALLY on the Maxx. The spring in that one could be bad, but they don't have to be able to turn lock to lock sitting still to give you plenty of steering.

Okay K1m I'll give it a whirl, Btw will you be there this week I might be braking out the mini if I can find it some packs before sunday

Todd,,,,,,Where you at man???

We're plannin on it...get those mini-t's out and get 'em dirty!

Thanks for the tip K1m it was bound and now it works great:thumbsup:

BTW Rick is the offer for the screw and the steering pieace still up? and how much?

Andy......I'll try and remember to dig it out tomorrow morning. How much $$$ ya got? :devil:

Another great day of racing at RER/CR and toward the end of the day the surface was great for traction. A few records did fall but I haven't done that part of the paperwork yet to show them here. A few Mini-Ts again and I do remember that K1M now holds the record in this class with a 22 lap run! I would say that the little step pins are the tire of choice in this class. :thumbsup: Just remember that there will be no racing next weekend as we take the week off for the July 4th holiday. See everyone again July 11th for the mid season double points/double racer bucks race!


Racers Edge R/C Racing & Hobbies 06-27-2004
-- Production - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 8 11 5:10.29 Joe Bootes 8 8.53
2 1 10 5:26.54 Nicole Parrott 11 7.37
-- Stock truck - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 2 13 5:07.26 Dennis Himes 27 10.18
2 0 13 5:17.49 Adam Hamilton 1 9.86
3 1 13 5:20.26 Tom Himes 16 9.77
4 3 12 5:21.43 Brian Hildom 26 8.99
-- Stock truck - B Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 7 11 5:14.54 Mike Button 7 8.42
2 5 10 5:00.67 Pete Lindemuth 3 8.00
3 3 10 5:07.90 Todd Comber 18 7.82
-- 2 --- DNS --- Chris Burrows 14
-- Stock buggy - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 1 11 5:02.24 Polli Burlingame 19 8.76
2 2 11 5:10.39 Don Weimer 21 8.53
-- Modified truck - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 0 13 5:15.22 Adam Hamilton 2 9.93
2 3 12 5:07.41 Dennis Himes 28 9.40
3 1 10 5:18.64 Jason Rimer 23 7.55
4 2 6 3:35.41 Paul Etter 24 6.70
-- Mini-T - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id 0.00
1 4 22 5:11.89 Kim Fortner 30 0.00
2 2 20 5:08.44 Joy Fortner 31 0.00
3 3 15 4:41.06 Andy Eaton 10 0.00
-- 1 --- DNS --- Laura Burrows 15 0.00
-- 4wd buggy - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 3 12 5:23.23 Polli Burlingame 20 8.94
2 2 11 5:03.71 Don Weimer 22 8.72
-- Electric Maxx - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 1 11 5:02.92 Tom Himes 17 8.74
2 4 11 5:08.75 Rick Morgan 32 8.57
3 3 11 5:19.20 Andy Eaton 9 8.29
4 8 10 5:08.21 Kim Fortner 29 7.81
5 5 10 5:40.38 Pete Lindemuth 4 7.07
-- 1/10 Nitro truck - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph
1 3 13 6:10.51 Brian Hildom 25 8.44
2 2 12 6:22.73 Adam Curry 6 7.55
3 4 12 6:32.11 Chad Phares 5 7.37
4 1 2 1:09.22 Terry Dunn 12 6.95
5 5 2 1:14.64 Nikolai Briggs 13 6.45


Sorry Andy........I printed out the lap times and Pete and you got an extra lap right off the start of the race so this is how the results stand now. :(

Awh Nuts!

oh well I can dream:p