Since no one will answer my question under the other thread about the rulebook, I will start a new thread with the hope of getting the correct answer.
ROAR rules list brushless under Modified motor rules (paragraph 8.7.5.0, page 41), does this mean that I can't run 1/10th scale stock and 1/10th brushless at the Paved Oval Nationals? :freak:
Also since 19T is considered modified (section 8.8, page 42) does this mean that I can't run 1/10th stock and 1/10th 19T at the Paved Oval Nationals either? :confused:
Please just answers not complaints, Thanks......

3 - you have a personal message.

My understanding of the rules is you can run 1/10 stock and 19 turn, or 19 tunr and modified, but not stock and modified. I am not sure about the brushless thing, but my guess is that since it is classified as a modified class you will only be able to run modified or 19 turn as a second class. I am just speculating here, no real answers. I know for a fact 4 years ago I wanted to run modified and stock at the roar nats, and I couldn't run both in 10th scale, so I ran 12th scale modified and 10th scale stock, which was legal. Hopefully you get an answer from someone soon.

Jeff:
In the ROAR rule book, there are two different classes for 19T, 19T with adjustable timing for oval and 19T with fixed timing for all other types of cars. Brushless and the 19T for oval are listed under the modified motor rules.
So with the way the rules are written one can not race stock and modified at the same race (in the same scale).

last I knew ROAR doesn't have a brushless only class. Roar rules state that brushed mods and brushless motor are the same class.

last I knew ROAR doesn't have a brushless only class. Roar rules state that brushed mods and brushless motor are the same class.

Not for Oval....Oval brushless and Modified are run as seperate classes.... At least this is what I was told for the Nationals.....but its not in the rule book anywhere.

Now in On-road brushless and Mod run together.

EA

Cut and paste from the National Guidelines: For level 4 events (current status of ROAR level system), refer to the National Guidelines. The rule book is for general rules and specifications.


30 CARPET & PAVED OVAL


30.1 Required Classes are:


• 1/10th scale 4 cell Modified



• 1/10th scale 4 cell stock



• 1/10th scale 4 cell 19T limited modified



• 1/10th scale 4 cell Brushless (limited)



• 1/12th scale 4 cell 19T limited modified

thanks for clearing that up Dawn

Hey Dawn,

I was told you can NOT run brushless in the 4 cell open mod class in oval....Is this true or not? I can not find it in the rule book anywhere but when I asked to do it at the nationals I was told no.

EA

Dawn:
This does not answer my question. :confused: Please, reread post #1 of this thread. Then check the "RULE BOOK", the "Nationals Guidelines" only lists classes, not if they are classed as modified or stock. I've listed the page and paragraph numbers.

Hey Dawn,

I was told you can NOT run brushless in the 4 cell open mod class in oval....Is this true or not? I can not find it in the rule book anywhere but when I asked to do it at the nationals I was told no.

EA

As per the national guidelines, oval electric racing has a limited brushless class. (I do not understand the limited wording either.. LOL) Which means.... brushless is running separate in oval electric in 2006. 2007 will see changes.

Three: as per the National Guidelines, cut and pasted:


25.2.1 When both are offered at a single event, drivers may enter either the stock or the modified class of a vehicle type, but not both. At electric events where a 19T class is offered in addition to the stock and modified classes for a vehicle type, drivers may enter stock and 19T or 19T and modified, but not all three.
As for the actual substance of your question, I will defer to Kenny Bergschultz and post his response. :)

Dawn:
19T is classed as modified in oval (because of adjustable timing). Brushless is also listed under modified. And you can't race in stock and modified. :freak: This is a conflict with the ROAR rules. (Maybe I'm just anal.) I sent you the email (as well as all the other ROAR officials). It's funny that all the ROAR officials have defered me to Mr. Bergschultz (poor Kenny!!).
At least you have tried to answer my questions and I thank you for that. :thumbsup:

How about if the motor classifications were changed to the following:
Stock: A. fixed endbell, B. rebuildable
19T: A. fixed timing, B. adjustable timing
Brushless: A. Limited (like the Novak 4300), B. Unlimited
Modified: Current modified rules
These would apply to all classes in on-road, off-road, and oval. This would remove 19T and brushless from under the modified category and eliminate any confusion.

Three - thank you....

Kenny is the Oval committee class chairperson and honestly, oval racing has different rules than the rest of ROAR racing classes and he's the resource. It was designed that way since Oval racing is so different.

I received your email and yep.. I deferred to Kenny in my response but I wanted you to know that I did read it and have in my notes to ensure follow up.

I know at the 2005 Carpet Oval Nats they ran a seperate BL class in addition to the 19T and mod classes
Tom

on a similar subject,i live in florida but am going to race in the region 4 oval race
my latest understanding at thier track they will only allow 19t locked 24 degree
motors in oval this race.here in fl. we run 19t adj timming in 19t oval.

on a similar subject,i live in florida but am going to race in the region 4 oval race
my latest understanding at thier track they will only allow 19t locked 24 degree
motors in oval this race.here in fl. we run 19t adj timming in 19t oval.

Roar rules state adjustable timing for 19 turn classes is legal..Ive read a few things on region 4 trying to re write Roars ruls to hold the event.. they tried to make certain legal batteries illegal to run ect.. i would contact roar directly..

That information was from the first site that cancelled the event in August.

Burbs-Check PM
-George

on a similar subject,i live in florida but am going to race in the region 4 oval race
my latest understanding at thier track they will only allow 19t locked 24 degree
motors in oval this race.here in fl. we run 19t adj timming in 19t oval.

That information was from the first site that cancelled the event in August.


Not true. Hobby World never said that you had to run 24 deg locked timing motors. Hobby Worlds motor rules have been current with ROAR rules for atleast 4 years.


Burbs the only things HW wanted to change was allow ultrabird motors and limit batteries to IB 3800's since 99.9% of the state of Folrida Oval racers run the IB cells.

Now that Arcor has changed the motor rules for 19T oval to ultrabirds only,any chance Roar might follow suit?

I sure hope not.

you must really like racing with 4 other cars all the time

You mean since JB changed it without taking a vote of members like it should have been done.

I would just assume leave it alone,but I've been hearing rumors that Roar MIGHT go to fixed timing 19T rules for oval like it is for on road,why do we have different motor rules anyway?

You mean since JB changed it without taking a vote of members like it should have been done.
amen......