What 19 turn motor for Oval racing?

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If hand wound motors are allowed, why wouldn't you run one?

because i have a box full of ultrabirds!!! honestly guys the handwound motors are great but the best bang for the buck is the ultrabird 19T.


and I think that the rules should be changed to only adjustable timing 19T. there are alot of people out there that say I don't like adjustable timing motors because there hard to work on. BS take that endbell move it to the last notch and lock it down your done!!!!

oh yah for the record the ultrabird is a machine wound 19t

I was always a big advocate of the Houndwound 19T movement. But honestly I think I would run more 19T if they went back the C2's or the new Komodo Dragon motor.
I think the racing would be closer.

I have never witnessed somebody pick up a full lap or 2 in Stock just because somebody is handed a motor. Granted some stockers run better but most of the time chassis is gonna be king. In 19T I have seen people pick up 1 or 2 laps when somebody is handed that Freak Handwound 19T.

I have never heard a Stock racer say, man if i put in this certain motor I am 3 seconds faster. In 19T Handwound I hear that all the time, "with my 1 stout can" or "my 1 stout arm" I am quicker.

Too much funny business can be had with the Handwounds. Milled out stacks, Short on wire, Bigger guage wire, P-94 hoods, cut down P-94 brushes etc etc. Not every track does tech thoroughly. Plus with all the winders and teardowns you almost feel as if you have to try them all to see what works and what doesnt work for a given track. Leave that guesswork for Mod.

But all and all
I guess it all depends on how you view 19T.
If its a class for Stock racers who want more speed then I think the Machine wounds are the way to go. Keep it simple and cheap.
If you view it as a class for the Mod drivers to drop down and run because they dont have enough to run Mod weekly and dont mind having every 19T on the market and spend the money then by all means use the Handwounds.

I like to see the winders involved and dont like to see Trinity get all the sales. But winders could do tuned versions of C2's or Komodo's and still get a share of the profits like they do with Stockers.

Aw for Pete's sake,

If you want fixed timing, laydown brushes, equal motors, bla bla, then run stock. Open 19 turn is a good way to keep Mod. guy's somewhat happy, while keeping the speed down for the stock guy that wants to make the move.

Maybe this is what should happen...

Stock..........................Entry level.
Fixed timing 19............Intermediate.
Open 19.......................Advanced.
Mod..............................Expert.

Not to go off, but PLEASE let 19 be open :(.

Almost forgot, What stock motor is the sure thing???
I've seen guy's with every stock motor under the sun, Epic, Trinity, Yok...Trying to go fast, then suddenly with motor XYZ, they're back on track...But that's another story.

Call Putnam, He'll hook you up with what's fast, we've done all the testing :thumbsup: .

Jet the problem with stock being entry level is 95% of the tracks out there (meaning 150' or less bullring flat tracks) are too small/tight for anything faster. You put an ill handling 19T car on a bull ring and that = carnage.

I would much rather run stock on a series like the ORL weekly against 40 competitive guys versus running stock with 5 guys, 19T with 4 guys and Mod with 2 guys on a weekly show.

My favorite race ever was Willow Mill 3 summers ago when 50 of us all ran stock. Got to run with the likes of Arnie, Pete D, Marabella. To make that show was an accomplishment regardless of the speeds we went.

Jet the problem with stock being entry level is 95% of the tracks out there (meaning 150' or less bullring flat tracks) are too small/tight for anything faster. You put an ill handling 19T car on a bull ring and that = carnage.

I would much rather run stock on a series like the ORL weekly against 40 competitive guys versus running stock with 5 guys, 19T with 4 guys and Mod with 2 guys on a weekly show.

My favorite race ever was Willow Mill 3 summers ago when 50 of us all ran stock. Got to run with the likes of Arnie, Pete D, Marabella. To make that show was an accomplishment regardless of the speeds we went.


lol come on Eric now your stretching it

Focar race #1 was @ MTR

http://www.snowbirdnationals.com/manateethunder.htm

tone of fun and it teaches you alot of car control. 19t know problem we even ran a 10 car A. and the driveline is 130FT

I'm for adjustable timming and any brush...p-94, round, just not laydowns.Laydowns are at least easy to tech, if you allow every thing else then tech should be easier? Just guessing, but still I dont think any one single brush combo is better. 2 pennies worth from me.

I'm for adjustable timming and any brush...p-94, round, just not laydowns.Laydowns are at least easy to tech, if you allow every thing else then tech should be easier? Just guessing, but still I dont think any one single brush combo is better. 2 pennies worth from me.
I kind of agree, I just want something I can take to any race, anywhere and be legal. Not have to have different types.

lol come on Eric now your stretching it

ton of fun and it teaches you alot of car control. 19t not a problem

just posting what I have seen in the past.

jflack,

I started a thread in the General R/C Messages asking questions about this very subject.

Recently I've been to too many places where OnRoad runs one type and Oval runs the other.

I like to do a little road racing, but mostly run oval...it would be nice not to have to have BOTH types of motors...

I agree with JET. I think that 19t started out and should stay a limited modified class. If you make it machine wound with fixed timing its just stock with 8 less winds. In 19 you have a spec # of winds on the motor, however you are able to adjust timing and play with different combos like you do in modified. Because of that I think that 19 is a good way to make the transition.

I would like to run with more guys as well, but its not fair to the new guys coming in to start racing and you have all the sponsored "hot shot" guys running it. They are gonna see the dynos and all the equip, and freak out. Let spec and stock be for the beginers and 19 and mod be for the experienced.

Thanks,
Adam Liehr :dude:

Well, the Snowbirds is the biggest race in the World every year... and it works well for the FOCAR series...

My vote is for the Ultrabird 19T motor and for just $25.00 each.

LET's GO Racing!!! :thumbsup:

My vote is for the Ultrabird 19T motor and for just $25.00 each.
I don't think you can vote for the Ultrabird here :confused:
It is machine wound with adjustable timing and that wasn't one of the choices in this poll.

...but that is what we are running where I race.

Well, the Snowbirds is the biggest race in the World every year... and it works well for the FOCAR series...

My vote is for the Ultrabird 19T motor and for just $25.00 each.

LET's GO Racing!!! :thumbsup:
Granted that is the biggest race around, but what if you were able to bring your handwound, adj. timming motor, it still would be a great race. I would just like to see one motor, no matter what it is, as long as you can run it everywhere ( touring, offroad, oval)

Seems there should have been a third option added to the poll. The Ultrabird is a "machine wound adjustable timing" motor.

Bob, why would you want to run that purple thing anyway?

Bob, why would you want to run that purple thing anyway?
Because it's not all purple??

Jet the problem with stock being entry level is 95% of the tracks out there (meaning 150' or less bullring flat tracks) are too small/tight for anything faster. You put an ill handling 19T car on a bull ring and that = carnage.

I would much rather run stock on a series like the ORL weekly against 40 competitive guys versus running stock with 5 guys, 19T with 4 guys and Mod with 2 guys on a weekly show.

My favorite race ever was Willow Mill 3 summers ago when 50 of us all ran stock. Got to run with the likes of Arnie, Pete D, Marabella. To make that show was an accomplishment regardless of the speeds we went.

That was one fun day of racing!

Granted that is the biggest race around, but what if you were able to bring your handwound, adj. timming motor, it still would be a great race. I would just like to see one motor, no matter what it is, as long as you can run it everywhere ( touring, offroad, oval)

Then FORGET about 19 turn motors and run the Novak Brushless 4300 or 5800 system!! :confused:

Then FORGET about 19 turn motors and run the Novak Brushless 4300 or 5800 system!! :confused:
Honestly, I'm gonna run the ARCOR brushless nats. @Steelcity. That will be my first time brushless, so intill then I wont comment.

Ron: It's not an option in the FOCAR series. It is the required equipment (as you know) Hope to see you soon.

Bob

Bob, the world is bigger than FOCAR. And yes, we are stuck with the Ultrabird for this series and the I-4 corridor.

I plan on being down your way Sat. with Armon and Jeff.