CORRECTIONS HAVE BEEN NOTED

:cry:

JB,

Ties will be determined 1st) by TQ, of class, if applicable, 2nd) by total combined Main laps, 3rd) by total combined time, from each Main.

Say:
Racer A Qualified 4th and finished with a 1st, 2nd and 2nd
Racer B Qualified 1st and finished with a 1st, 2nd and 10th

Racer B would win ?

In ROAR (when they used to run Triple A mains) and Norrca Racer A wins because the 3rd throw out main is the tie breaker.

Just trying to understand this.

JB,
THANK YOU SOOO much for taking the time to go over and over these sheets to correct any mistakes. Position three never changed and that is good enough for me. Great job again, keep up the good work. :thumbsup:

i am not trying to start another big mess here, but i know at the time matt tyson missed 2 laps in the one main., and one in the last.was that adjusted?it was on race day that is why he was 2nd.but would have given him 196 points.again just askin a question.

Bill:

I appreciate your staright forward question, no accusations, no inuendos, just a plain question that deserves an answer.

I will now give you a perfect example of making a mistake. Walt called me today also. The reason I had a different result is, I did not move Matt up to 2nd in his second round becasue of the missed laps, which then changed the whole results that I posted earlier today.

Attached is the corrected standings which I might add ARE THE SAME AS THE ONES THAT WERE AWARDED. What that means is that Walts daughter did not make a mistake, she did fine and she deserves a huge hand of applause for doing an excellent job in figuring out the results in all the MAINS under the stressing circumstances!!

It's been a long day, but at least I hope that everyone knows that those that won, won, plain and simple. I also hope that most of you understand, I try my hardest to make sure everything is up front. I don't hide under the table and I will answer reasonable questions. If I'm wrong, I will admit it, a little crow never hurt anyone. I can tell you this from experience, stay away from Coot gizzards, they are terrible!

Now for all concerend, perhaps another rule change for ARCOR? As someone said we have to learn from mistakes and from problems, to prevent them in the future.

This concerns personal transponders. It's a simple rule, simply phrased.

Personal transponders, personal problem. If your personal transponder does not count, laps missed will not be awarded.

There was no problem with the counting system this weekend except for those of personal transponders. If you are not sure of your personal transponder, then use the track's.

XXXXXX

Now for all concerend, there is another rule change for ARCOR. As someone said we have to learn from mistakes and from problems, to prevent them in the future.

This concerns personal transponders. It's a simple rule, simply phrased.

Personal transponders, personal problem. If your personal transponder does not count, laps missed will not be awarded.

There was no problem with the counting system this weekend except for those of personal transponders. If you are not sure of your personal transponder, then use the track's.

JB thats a good rule BUT....what do you do when you go to a track that REQUIRES the use of personal transponders and does not offer house transponders? I know Oval tracks do not have this problem yet as most that are racing are older tracks and have not bought new systems. But in On-road 90% of the tracks I go to do NOT have house transponders.

Just a thought.

EA

i am still confused.thought matt won a race.never thought nick did.lol i am lost

xxxxx

Nice policy and nice to see the genuine concern in making sure everyone is treated fairly :

This concerns personal transponders. It's a simple rule, simply phrased.

Personal transponders, personal problem. If your personal transponder does not count, laps missed will not be awarded.

If that had been stated up front I guess everyone would have chosen to use a house transponder because then the track would have assumed total liability and I'm sure the track was ready to hand count every car, Not.

The start sequence of two beeps and a tone for one race and not the next sucked, it caused repeated confusion in multiple mains. It cost the TQ racer a shot at a national championship and to make matter worse the track was ready to fire that main off without giving him a chance to fix a car that got blasted from behnd in a false start. If 90+ people had not revolted the race would have been staged without him on the grid.

No thanks Arcor.
Tom Welsh

You guys still have it messed up. Finished 5th in race one. Check the laps.
Ern
Just to clairify My personal transponder was not the cause of the missed lap in race one. I was forced through the infield by another car. Everyone saw it, it was noted during the race, but I was not awarded the lap. Why are some cars awarded the missed laps and some cars not afforded the same courtesy? This would of infact changed the outcome of the race.

The start sequence of two beeps and a tone for one race and not the next sucked, it caused repeated confusion in multiple mains. It cost the TQ racer a shot at a national championship and to make matter worse the track was ready to fire that main off without giving him a chance to fix a car that got blasted from behnd in a false start. If 90+ people had not revolted the race would have been staged without him on the grid.

No thanks Arcor.
Tom Welsh

That was one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen at a track... Not only the two beeps but Walt wanting to start the race without a person that was broken by a false start that HE DIDNT CAUSE!!

Where was Arcor when this happend? As Tom said it was the RACERS that made Walt wait on Bill!!

EA

i have great idea
LETS RUN 1 A MAIN JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!!!
no confusion then
i have 1 of the original personal transponders that came out and i have NEVER missed a lap if it is this certain track that has problems with them then they shouldnt be allowed to use them there. its that simple
JB i am a big fan of arcor
i hope last weekend does not leave a black eye on it

alan behler
rip motorsports
axxis racing
orc

I hate single A mains. Many reasons. Here is just 1 big one.

The past 2 mod A mains at the ROAR Paved Oval Nats. With a total of 6 cars finishing, if you combined both races. (Triclone and BMS)


Adam Liehr :dude:

Ties will be determined 1st) by TQ, of class, if applicable, 2nd) by total combined Main laps, 3rd) by total combined time, from each Main.

TQ in Stock is applicable for a tie breaker because Bill Aucherlonie was in fact the Top Qualifier with pole position. Therefore in this instance tie has to be broke by TQ not laps. It's in the rules.

1st Adrian Chandler
2nd Matt Tyson
3rd Bill Aucherlonie.

Are the final results going to be posted anyplace where a semihuman can understand them?

I think the final order is!!!

1. Adrian Chandler
2. Matt Tyson
3. Bill Aucherlonie
4. Nick Ellis
5. Bill Osborn
6. Ernie Parisons
7. John Birnele
8. Mike O'brien
9. Chris Klink
10. John Taylor

We're slidining backwards but if bill andmatt beat us cool, maybe we'll get you guys next time. good job guys...

I am sure there are more that stock results posted somewhere. Does anyone know where????

Thanks
Don

I am sure there are more that stock results posted somewhere. Does anyone know where????

Thanks
Don

RESULTS A MAINS: ARCOR 2006 Carpet Oval Open Nationals/Classic Hobbies/April 09, 2006


4C SPEC NASTRUCK:
1.-TQ Allen Stephens using: Hyperdrive chassis, BSR, McAllister body. Representing Steel City Hobbies

2. Larry Boyd using: KSG, T&M, McAllister, representing Coopers Raceway

3. Rick Lohr equipment not listed, representing Classic Hobbies

4. Dale Steele ( no further info

5. Randy Ciccone ( no further info

6. Coner Mullen (no further info


CLASSIC BUSCH: Representing Classic Hobbies
1. Rex Arnold: Representing “Team Wife”

2. John Howard: Associated, ProtoForm, TRC

3.-TQ Ron Manes: Hypredrive, Fantom Stk. ProtoForm SMC3300, TRC

4. Steve Smith: Winner of the Hard Luck Award. How far do you go, how much do you spend, how persisitant are you? Anyone that falls into all these categories, wins the HARD LUCK award. Using: KSG, Protoform, TRC

5. Chuck Bunch: Using Silva Chassis, Protoform, TRC

6. Jake Feskanin: Using Associated L4, ProtoFOrm, TRC, Hefty Calls

7. Bob Biro: (no further info

8. Sam Stefano: Representing “Dad Racing”



INDY:
1. Rick White

2. Rick Lohr

3. Charlie Morrison

4. No listing

5. Kevin Coulbourne

6. Rick Morrison

7. Mike Perry

8. Fred Coulbourne

9. Dale Steele



1/12th STOCK
1.-TQ Barry Hill: Using Hyperdrive, KC Co27, Windtunnel, BSR, KC 3800, Finishline, EA Motorsports, MAS Dist. IRS.

2. Rick White: Using KSG, EA CO27, Bandit, BSR, EA 3800, Finishline.

3. Jim Workman: (no listing

4. Bill Goff: (no listing

5. Brian Padavini: Using Leading Edge, Hyperform, McAllsiter, BSR, Express, representing Steel City Hobbies

6. Jimmy Weikel: Using Associated, Monster, BSR, SMC, representing Steel City Hobbies

ARCOR 19T
1. Adam Liehr: Using KSG, KC Racing, Windtunnel, BSR, KC 3800, Novak, IRS, PRS, Futaba, Dr, Graphix, special thanks to Humpty Helms, Arnie Fie. Representing Classic Hobbies

2. Dusty Dean: Using KSG, Putnam, Windtunel, BSR, TQ Cells, Zuback’s Spedd Juice, Finishline, PRS

3. Mike Ulbruk: Using Hyperdrive, Protoform, TM, EA Motorspts, Speedjuice

4. Zack Messenger: Using KSG, Truespeed, Windtunnel, BSR, KC 3800, Finishline, and his Dad that makes the whole thing possible.

5. Kenny Mox: Using Leading Edge, Zuback’s Speedjuice

6. Adam Martin: ( no listing

7. Corey Heft: Using KSG, Truespeed, Bolink, BSR, Hefty

8. Terry Zinser: (no listing

9. David Messinger: Using KSG, Truespeed, Windtunnell, BSR, KC 3800, Finishline

10. Rick White: Using KSG, BSR, EA Motorspts, Fiishline, MSA, Exotic Graphix, and Sally


OPEN MODIFIED:

1. Arnie Fie: Using Custom Works, Truespeed, JAco, Truespees Batteries

2. Mario Marsilo: Using KSG, 7X1, Windtunnel, Murdock tires, Hefty, Finishline, PRS

3.-TQ Rick Liehr: Using KSG, KC Racing, Windtunnel, BSR, Finshline. Special Thanks to Humpty, Arnie and the Peachocks.

4. Frank Ulbrik: Using Hyperdrive, DC Motor, Protoform, Tm, TQ, SpeedJuice< Finishline

5. John Foister: Using Hyperdrive, Kisby, Tauras, BSR, SMC

6. Joel Biro: Using Silva, KC Racing, BSR, SMC, Finishline

7. Eric Anderson: Using Hyperdrive, EA Motorspts, Windtunnel, Jaco, PRS, Finishline, DC, MSA

8. Sean Maxwell: Using Custom Works, Lightspeed, Protoform, BSR, Brood, Porter Paints, Cincinnati, Lumber Liquidators

9. Jeff “Humpty” Helms: Using Hyperdrive, KC Racing, Windtunnel, BSR, Stick-E, PRS, EA Motorspts, Dr. Graphix and rising from the ashes, Phoenix. GOD LUCK ON YOUR MOVE HUMPTY, a friend is always a friend, distance and years will never change this.

10. Frank Peachock: (no listing

anything on the B mains as well. JB where is the pics from the race weekend?????????????

picks are on a different post.
Look for Pics of Arcor race at Classic.

John those were just my pics on that other site hosted by Beach of Willow Mill.
JB's and others who snapped em are not up yet to my knowledge

Yeah JB took a couple pics of my crashed car and I wanna see them to show my wife.

I dont think it was a transponder issue, it was because the loop dosn't go to the inside of the track enough. I was bumped down below the line by maybe three inchs and lost a lap. It wouldn't matter who's transponder I used it would not have counted. I have been using a personel ever since they came out and the only time I have ever missed a lap was when I plugged it in backwards.
The race is over and I'm sure we will get over the problems that came up just hope we learn from any mistakes that were made.
All in all I had a great time and will be back next year. Maybe next year I will come earlyer and get more than 5 minuites practice hahahahaha

lol you are old and slow we will never be early!!!lmao

I think the final order is!!!

1. Adrian Chandler
2. Matt Tyson
3. Bill Aucherlonie
4. Nick Ellis
5. Bill Osborn
6. Ernie Parisons
7. John Birnele
8. Mike O'brien
9. Chris Klink
10. John Taylor
That's right Nick didn't finish in front of Bill. Bill should have won the second race as well be he got wrecked so... Going by TQ is stupid it should be by the most laps in the mains. What happened on qualifing shouldn't affect race day. Just my opion.

JB you should get the final results and look them over very close. What was posted as the final results is still not right....Ive got copies of all 3 mains with laptimes.

EA

That's right Nick didn't finish in front of Bill. Bill should have won the second race as well be he got wrecked so... Going by TQ is stupid it should be by the most laps in the mains. What happened on qualifing shouldn't affect race day. Just my opion.

Yes, they should go by qualifying for the tie-breaker....... You can get lucky and win a race (wreck-infested). The odds of getting lucky to get TQ are much slimmer...... Just my opinion....

Kenny

Yes, they should go by qualifying for the tie-breaker....... You can get lucky and win a race (wreck-infested). The odds of getting lucky to get TQ are much slimmer.....

Agreed Raptor TQ is harder than winning a race in my opinion.

But when it comes to mains and tie breakers
I have to agree with Zach. Use the 3rd throw out main as the tie breaker.

I think a guy with a 1st , 2nd and 2nd is more deserving of a nats title than a guy with a 1st, 2nd and 10th but TQ'd.

In the last few days, I have been doing some soul searching. ARCOR is not my occupation. I engrave custom knives and get from $300 to $900 each knife. At this time I am trying to get 5 knives out by Monday, so I won’t be on the internet much. Actually, I think I won’t be on much at all after this.



I keep hearing ROAR does this. Snowbirds does that. So maybe ARCOR does need to make changes and be more like ROAR and the Snowbirds. One of those would be posting on the internet. For every ARCOR race there has ever been I have come on the internet to help promote it. I answer questions and try to make sure everyone knows what’s going on. When was the last time you saw anyone from ROAR actually promote a National event, or for that matter even a State race? Any promotion was left solely to the track owner. Does ROAR make the race flyers for the tracks? No. It’s up to the track to make the flyer and get it approved by ROAR. ARCOR makes the flyer and I try to send them out by e-mail if nothing else. Does ROAR do this for it’s members? No. It’s up to the track.



At every National event ARCOR has had, the racers all got a participants plate. At least I try to make sure they get one? This is one of the things that ARCOR does, at ARCOR’s expense. These plates do not cost the track a single penny. What ROAR race did you receive a participants plate that was furnished by ROAR and not the track? Zilch.



At every National event there was a Hard Luck Award. This award was furnished by ARCOR, not the track. I spent numerous hours making the special awards, all one of a kind, at my expense. This last race it wasn’t the Out House award, but a wrist watch.



The awards for last years and this years Twinny Twin Twin’s, were also furnished by ARCOR and I did not receive one penny from the entry fees.



For this race, many said they were going to run brushless. I wasn’t sure if Walt had awards for this class, since no one pre-entered, so I has three plaques made, 1st-3rd, 9x12”-8x10” and 7x9”. No one showed for the brushless class, so like many tracks, ARCOR was out $$$ for awards that had no class.



At all ARCOR National events, I have brought candy and some sort of treat for the Friday night racers. Cakes, cupcakes and this year Rice Krispy treats. I spend my time, my money for these. Out of 70 plus racers I think less than 5 even thanked me. Do I want an award for this, no. No one asked me to do it, I just did it because I wanted to do that little extra as ARCOR. Since the Fire Cracker Nationals was our home Track, my husband footed the bill for the BBQ at each race. I did the cooking. These BBQ’s cost anywhere from $100-$150. For the most part 80% of the racers had the courtesy to say Thank You.



This year I thought that ARCOR needed to do something for the A-Main winners at ARCOR National Events. Something besides the plaque or bowling ball trophy. ARCOR can’t afford Martin Guitars, Grandfather Clocks or the gold ID bracelet. I could however afford to give out watch’s at this event and future ARCOR Nationals. Everyone that was an A-Main winner got a wrist watch. No, it wasn’t a Rolex, it was what I could afford. The box it was put in was just a $1.00 box from Wal-Mart, that needed to be stained. It also had a plate on top that said ARCOR Carpet National Champion 2006. Three of these winners actually came up and thanked me when they got them. (your welcome Barry, Arnie and Rick)One even said so, on the internet. (Thank you Arnie) My thinking was, also for the future, like the gold bracelets on the Poker tour, how many racers would be repeat winners over the years and get a watch. What kind of “free treats” did you get at a ROAR race or the Snowbirds?



Last year after the ARCOR Classic race, I sent out Thank you for coming to the race postcards. Not one person ever acknowledge that they even got the post card. When did ROAR send out Thank you cards for Attending a ROAR Nationals. Did you get one from the Snowbirds?



These are things that ARCOR does/did for the racers. No one asked me to, it’s just something I wanted to do.



About the complaints about this past race and ARCOR. Some of them are coming from people who weren’t even at the race or from people a particular complaint didn’t even pertain to.



Yes, the Stock class was a mess, of sorts. If I had my way, 3rd place would have been a tie, because it was so close. Tie breaker was TQ, but if it was figured by laps, or by the dropped round, Nick would have won it. I will be sending out a plaque to Bill Aucherlonie.



Speaking of Bill Aucherlonie. ARCOR is being accused of not doing anything about the restart of the Stock A-Main after the false start. The one doing the complaining was pitting on the opposite side of the track and has no idea of what ARCOR did about this. When the false start happened I was teching cars. I did not see what happened. After I finished teching the previous round I went and sat next to Butch on the bleachers. We’re talking less than a minute. Walt was about to start the race and I called out 1 minute. Butch then told me what happened and that it was not the fault of the racer. I got up and went up to Walt telling him to give Bill more time. Yes, by appearances, we rushed him, but as long as I was there, the race would not start until he got his car fixed. I even went over to his pit to see how much time he needed. All they had to do was put the tire on. BTW, I think that’s the fastest I have ever seen a front A-Arm changed. EA, did you see or hear any of this???



ARCOR is catching all the flack about not posting the results, where is the track that hosted the event? They are not saying a word, are they making an effort to get them posted. When was the last time ROAR posted the results on Hobby Talk? After the race I took these sheets back to the motel along with the sponsor sheets and hand typed the results from each race and even posted the products they used. This took me two hours. I did this knowing racers wanted to know who won what.



All I have to go by are the printouts of each Main and the results. I had my jump drive with me to get the results, but you know what? I had the results in my hand and never thought about everyone needing to see there individual lap times. So, for this ARCOR is being crucified. Have at it, because it only reinforces my attitude of why should ARCOR even try to go the extra distance? No one notices and no one cares. Most of what they get extra, is just taken for granted. What turned out to be a great race weekend is now being branded as the worst race of the century. Go for it, because I know that some did have a good time, some will be back. For those that weren’t happy, you can always go to a ROAR race or the Snowbirds. I have done all I could to make this race fun, but it seems some have forgotten this word.



Yes, the Snowbirds is a fun event a “happening” and they “don’t’ need no stinking organization”..or do they? Seems to me the organizations have set the standards for the motors and batteries used at this race. Seems to me an organization set a standard for the format used at this race. Where would this race be if there were no rules, rules established by organizations???



Awards: I have already replied to that.



Mike O’Brien: It was announced at the drivers meeting that motors would be open at random. You won your round and you were tore down. Birnele was also tore down that round.



Ernie Parison: By the sheets I have, you got a 6th, a 3rd, and an 8th.



EA: According to the sheets I have, your missed laps were given back, and you finished 5th place in the 3rd Main, not 6th. So you were credited with 5th in figuring the final results.







In closing, I have not read any of the post in the last two days, I’m not going to read them, won’t be reading the replies to this either. For the next three days I will be finishing the knives that have to go out Monday. On Tuesday I will be fishing, possibly Wednesday and Thursday to. Then I will get started on the next knives that need to be engraved and out the door by the end of the month.



As for this post, you guys do what you want with it, at this point I could care less. If you feel this is not the attitude I should take, guess what, could care less. Crucify ARCOR, trash it, whatever rocks your boat. If nothing else it makes good reading among you. Other than that, Have a Nice Day, I know I am.

I think a guy with a 1st , 2nd and 2nd is more deserving of a nats title than a guy with a 1st, 2nd and 10th but TQ'd.

Erock
Can you change your post as to the order of the Bush race. Rex got 1st. We did the tie breaker and because of my poor run in the first main he got the tie breaker. I dont think he reads this but just so everyone else who does can give him his due.. He had 3 great runs and I also agree in this case he got what he deserved. :thumbsup:

This discussing is getting old. Talk about beating a dead horse, you guys not only beat it to death, but stripped it's hide too. From what I have read, ARCOR went by the rule as wrote, no rule changes at the last minute. You can't tell me all you PROS don't know the rules, you seem to know everything else? If you don't like a rule than get it changed. Rules have been changed in ARCOR before, why would this be any different?

best thing i've heard in days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o

"At every National event there was a Hard Luck Award. This award was furnished by ARCOR, not the track. I spent numerous hours making the special awards, all one of a kind, at my expense. This last race it wasn’t the Out House award, but a wrist watch. "

I'm gonna give you a award....Wasting the most bandwith!

"At every National event there was a Hard Luck Award. This award was furnished by ARCOR, not the track. I spent numerous hours making the special awards, all one of a kind, at my expense. This last race it wasn’t the Out House award, but a wrist watch. "

I'm gonna give you a award....Wasting the most bandwith!

Wow!!! that was a little on the rude side.....

xxxxx

>>>>>

Disclaimer: This is not directed towards ROAR or ARCOR or anyone. This is just an observation and something to read.

One thing you learn quickly (if you have a brain and can actually read well) is that you have to divide everything you read by 50%. :lol: I believe other sanctions such as ROAR have learned the hard way - that is why they really do not post much anymore - anywhere! ROAR has almost completely reorganized their whole sanction committee and should most likely be a respectable competitor in the very near future.

The interesting thing is that JB has been driving ARCOR mostly by herself and has done so much for the RC industry/hobby/sport that ROAR was wishing it were even the smallest patch on her ass! I know… I have co-promoted several ROAR events!

I have seen many "bad calls" in pro sports (NFL) over the years that have made or broke a season and after the game is over, that is it! Finished, Done, Gonzo! It does not matter how much time, effort or money invested.
At that point, an organization (and team) can only learn from the experiences and make the next event (season) that much better.

I consider the "oval" R/C industry LUCKY to have someone who devotes as much time and effort such as JB. If you participate in these events you usually come away from it with a positive experience.

I have spoken to some racers and have not heard any complaints - until today! The complaint was all this nonsense being posted here on HobbyTalk... (See line two of my posting) JB can/will and has fixed any problems that ARCOR sees fit. I am sure she appreciates any positive "Constructive" feedback, as that is the only way to make things better. When JB ran an event in Pittsburgh PA last fall, it was outstanding. And everyone including "I" appreciated the effort and thoughtfulness from way before the event to after. All I can say is that it would be nice to have more like JB! I do not think you will ever see this type of professionalism and personal touch again in your lifetime.

As a track/shop owner… all I can say is pray that the timing system works perfectly as well as the staff! It is not easy coordinating and fronting expenses to put on such events. It truly is a team effort and hopefully everything will be smooth sailing. But it is much easier if everyone cooperates and becomes a part of any solution rather than the problem. (if there were a problem.)

Good luck to everyone and hope to see you at the next big race. Happy Easter!

-MR :wave:

No need to respond to this as I am on the road with limited internet connectivity - this is my last post - Thanks!

Agreed Raptor TQ is harder than winning a race in my opinion.

But when it comes to mains and tie breakers
I have to agree with Zach. Use the 3rd throw out main as the tie breaker.

I think a guy with a 1st , 2nd and 2nd is more deserving of a nats title than a guy with a 1st, 2nd and 10th but TQ'd.

What if the reason that guy finished 10th is because 3rd place ran up his rear on the start (turn 1)?

You cannot do consistency for triple mains because of how it only takes one bonehead to screw you out of a title.

it only takes one bonehead to screw you out of a title.

We know all about that don't we erock

We know all about that don't we erock

Been there Raptor

Amen Ace

would have been an awesome race dueling with ya last year, too bad we were taken to the catch fence, not once but twice lol

Worked out great for Zach though, hehe

We know all about that don't we erock

I remeber the 04 nats i think it was some one came out of the infeild and cost someone i know the title as well..

Its a part of racing,... a main nerves are the hardest to beat...

Yes, they should go by qualifying for the tie-breaker....... You can get lucky and win a race (wreck-infested). The odds of getting lucky to get TQ are much slimmer...... Just my opinion....

Kenny
Kenny it is called Racing. Not Qualifiying.

it makes it alot easier with one main you finish were you finish just my .o2 cents worth

"At every National event there was a Hard Luck Award. This award was furnished by ARCOR, not the track. I spent numerous hours making the special awards, all one of a kind, at my expense. This last race it wasn’t the Out House award, but a wrist watch. "

I'm gonna give you a award....Wasting the most bandwith!
That was the best Award any one could ask for, Thanks i got one. :wave:

Kenny it is called Racing. Not Qualifiying.

If you can have 3 CLEAN races then I would say use all 3 mains for points.... UNTIL then, the best can get screwed by anyone.

And since you would like to see all 3 mains used, then lets just go to using all 3 heats as the qualifier. Average those 3 heats and see where you qualify. You'll see my point sooner or later....

Kenny

JB, I just wanted to put my vote in for ARCOR RACER of the year. Bill Aucherlonie
If anyone has a reason to complain it would be him. In my eyes he was the class of the stock field and has nothing to show for it. His car was broken by a fellow racer by a false start and he was taken out making a very clean pass for the lead. With all this he has nothing but kind words to say about the track, Walt, and about ARCOR. Class act dude!!! Oh well off my soap box. JB and Classic Hobbies, The Liehr Family thanks you all for giving us a fine race for us to attend. Can't wait till the next one. Its was a great race and a great time to spend with frieds I only see a few times a year.

Later,
Rick Liehr