Let's get the ball rolling for the summer season:

Jeff (O'tec) will not be able to provide batteries this year so we're going to need to come up with an alternative (IE the SMC 3800 stick packs).

I'll see if I can dig up the rules from last year and post them so that we can work out any changes that everyone might want. Personally, I think that everything went pretty well last year and with the added traction this year I think that it will be even better.

And the teams:

BMW Sauber
Ferrari
Honda
McLaren - Dish and Brad
Midland - Fred and Derek
Red Bull
Renault
Super Aguri
Toro Rosso
Toyota - Rlegend
Williams

Any thought on motors? I'd like to see the group run a spec motor, all the same, any brush/spring combo as we did last year. Does anyone have a way to purchace a cheap lot of these? I thought the Reedy's were awesome. Any thoughts?

I think Brad and I will be team McLaren once again. We'll be all liquored-up on Johnnie Walker before the mains!

Oh, the cheapest 3800 stick packs we can find in bulk...thats my 2 cents.

Since its early I will again be using the toyota team livery and I currently don"t have a teammate but I will be ready for a full season.

Well, I was talking to Jeff again last night and he may be able to hook us up after all. I'll keep everyone posted on batteries.

I think that the motor package that we ran last year was actually pretty good. The xxx brushes in the Reedy motors would last for a few weeks without any major maintenance. Most of us already have the Reedy's so I'd recommend that.

We are happy to announce that starting this season you will be able to use your personal transponders here at Lazer !! We also have a Spektrum telemetry lap timing trigger that goes down on the track

Great to hear about the personals, I might get in on the group buy if the price is right.
I am in agreement with leaving things alone as far as the rules go, the racing was very close towards the end of last season and I think that this year will be even more competitive. I was considering running an old F103 chassis with 201 rims and tires since they have released the GT version that has TC style hubs, but I will probably stick with the 201 to avoid the controversy. I would be interested to know how people feel about this. The chassis is rear drive and anything over a mabuchi at Lazer would be insane. There is talk of Tamiya possibly doing a new F1 chassis that might be a hybrid of the 201 and 103, but nothing official and probably a year or more away at the earliest.

Brad

Some talk of a group buy on the other site..But it looks like they want the money by Monday (4-03)

I'm selling my F1 car. PM me if interested.
Thanks.

Hey guys, I have been running at CEFX this winter and I always wanted to try F1. What is involved with the class. I see there is some team racing but I am not sure if I'll make all the races.

Plus side is I already have a like new Reedy. I am sure that I could get a car together by April. What do they drive like? Any comparison to my now sold FT TC4? What about tires? Is this an expensive tire class or can I run a few sets all summer long?

Brandon

Barry-Check your PM.

Brandon,
I will try to keep the answers as simple as possible
Tires- If you take care of them you can run 1 set for the season, although I will run new ones this year, my set from last season are still in good shape. Tamiya tires are the only ones that are legal, and they are available in two compounds Type A and Type B and run roughly $ 40 for a set.
Handling- Different but similar to a TC, the cars tend to dance around more than a TC, but still handle well.
Last year we ran the Reedy spec 19 w/ xxx brushes and they were plenty fast enough, the xxx's are pricey, but you can run 1 set almost the whole season.
The 201 can be very demanding from a maintenance perspective, so if you dont like working on the car between rounds then this may not be your bag.
Reply if you need more info

You can also show up at any of the races and run without being on a team. The bottom line is that we want everyone that is interested in F1 to run when they can. It's more of a "fun" class than anything.

What Fred said, we want and need as many people as we can get. It is a very competitive class, but also alot of fun. The only reason for the warning is that people have gotten into the class and then dropped out after a couple of races because it was too much work. :wave: :thumbsup:

Can you tell me what springs to use with the xxx brushes?

The heavier the better. I run Trinity purples on just about all my motors these days, and it works for me. Its like anything else, ask 10 guys and get 10 different answers. :wave: :thumbsup:

Yeah with the XXX's or the 767's in the Reedy quad mag, definitely the purples. Then you can put the biggest gear that will fit on it.

That would be trinity xxx brushes #TRI13506NT. Is that correct?

Yeah with the XXX's or the 767's in the Reedy quad mag, definitely the purples. Then you can put the biggest gear that will fit on it.


You are incorrect on the gear thing. There is only two gears possible. A high speed and a low speed set. The motor mesh is not adjustable. You replace the spur and pinion. I think last year every one ran the highspeed set.

yes, you are correct sir!!!!!!!! two ratios , without a doubt hhhhyyyyyyyyyoooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brandon,
I will try to keep the answers as simple as possible
Tires- If you take care of them you can run 1 set for the season, although I will run new ones this year, my set from last season are still in good shape. Tamiya tires are the only ones that are legal, and they are available in two compounds Type A and Type B and run roughly $ 40 for a set.
Handling- Different but similar to a TC, the cars tend to dance around more than a TC, but still handle well.
Last year we ran the Reedy spec 19 w/ xxx brushes and they were plenty fast enough, the xxx's are pricey, but you can run 1 set almost the whole season.
The 201 can be very demanding from a maintenance perspective, so if you dont like working on the car between rounds then this may not be your bag.
Reply if you need more info

Thanks for the reply(s). I talked to Barry Z today so everything is looking good for F1 this summer. :)

Where do you guys get parts and tires normally? Also what about the batteries? Has anyone decided what to run?

Thanks,
Brandon

As far as parts go ,I order multiple spares in the pre season. At any given time I have enough plastic to build a new car. The part that you will go through the most are the suspension pivot balls. The stock ones bend almost by looking at them. A couple of companies including Tamiya offer titanium versions, but they are like $30 for 2 and I am not sure if they will hold up any better. A little advice, Tamiya offers the pivot balls as a service part and they are like $4 for a bag of 8, if you do it the other way you end up buying the whole screw bag for like $18 and you only get like 4 or 8. I special order the stuff through Larrys, but any LHS could get the stuff for you. Batteries are Freds dept, and it sounds like he is waiting on Otec. They have done the packs for the last 2 seasons and they were very good. :wave: :thumbsup:

....and if O'Tec supplies the batteries, Fred will have them here at the track for purchase

I've been talking to Jeff and it looks like he can get the packs but we're working out the price. I know that I can get SMC packs for a reasonable price and Jeff's working out his cost to see if it's any better.

I'm looking at 3800's because that's what's ROAR legal. I want everyone to be able to use the packs when they go indoors at the end of the season. The latest 3800's aren't far off from the 4200's anyways. Well except the runtime...

The new cells are way better than what we ran last year (last for more cycles).

Fred,
Are you going to handle the packs one way or the other?
Also is there anyone to do the motors again?
That was a killer deal, and if there is anyway to do it again I think you would have alot of takers :wave: :thumbsup:

I'll take care of the packs unless soemone else wants to foot the bill. I can get the packs either way, Jeff or from some one else.

Can you PM me a list of the bearing sizes for the 201? I think I pretty much have them all on hand now.

I was just talking about putting the deal together, I would be willing to prepay for packs and motors if the deal is in place. I will get the list together and get it to you asap

I'll take care of getting the packs together for opening day.

If anyone is interested in another F1 car, nine's still in the basement collecting dust....

Memo & James Raupp are in for the F1 Series, We would like to use the Panasonic Toyota 2006 color scheme, if it is not taken.

I recently picked up bulk buy of 767 brushes for .90 a pair + shipping, I could try to get another 50 to 100 pair if there is interest / need. let me know.

Why don't you dust it off and join us this year for the series ?


If anyone is interested in another F1 car, nine's still in the basement collecting dust....

Memo & James Raupp are in for the F1 Series, We would like to use the Panasonic Toyota 2006 color scheme, if it is not taken.

I recently picked up bulk buy of 767 brushes for .90 a pair + shipping, I could try to get another 50 to 100 pair if there is interest / need. let me know.
Already using Panasonic 2006 color scheme. Posted a few days ago SORRY

full size racing commitments....

Memo & James Raupp are in for the F1 Series, We would like to use the Panasonic Toyota 2006 color scheme, if it is not taken.

I recently picked up bulk buy of 767 brushes for .90 a pair + shipping, I could try to get another 50 to 100 pair if there is interest / need. let me know.
Memo,
You've got mail (PM)

Is Carlos running F1? does he have a teammate? Anyone else else is running the series?

From Dans post on the other thread it seems like he might be a part timer at best.
It looks as though we have 6 solid team entries so far. If Carlos doesnt run, who will put the series together? Anyone see Australia? it was a pretty wild race.

PM from Carlos says he is planing on running F1.

Looks like things are beginning to shape up.
Question? On the Spektrum Lap trigger, can anyone running the telemetry recieve data from a single trigger, or is the trigger bound like the rest of the system to a spcific radio. I was going to buy a trigger for my personal use, and probably will anyways, but it is one less thing to deal with at the track.

Never mind, I did the unmanly thing and read the instruction book. Only 1 trigger is necessary per track. Telemetry is cool

Anyone else interested in Telemetry see Riders in Ypsi. They are nice enough to be the ones supplying the lap trigger..

Dan and Carlos should probably choose a team...

I think that they should choose Super Aguri. Choosing the slowest team can result in winning the championship.

On the real F1 scene, I wonder what Scott Speed said to get a $5000 fine from the FIA.

On the real F1 scene, I wonder what Scott Speed said to get a $5000 fine from the FIA.


When did that happen? I didn't see anything about that during the race coverage. Anyways, Scott Speed did really well. If I am not running a team can I choose whatever paint scheme I want or should I use anything not being used. I am leaning towards a Sauber BMW or a Ferrari.

When did that happen? I didn't see anything about that during the race coverage. Anyways, Scott Speed did really well. If I am not running a team can I choose whatever paint scheme I want or should I use anything not being used. I am leaning towards a Sauber BMW or a Ferrari.
You might want to try and hook up with someone who is looking for a partner. I ran by myself the first season, and looking back, it wasnt as much fun. Dan and Carlos have been Ferrari for all three years, of course first to the line is the winner, and if you snooze you lose. Although I would say that we should have no more than 2 of any given car, its too confusing.

Carlos might be looking for a teammate?? I am unsure if Dan has commited to running F1 this season.

Yes, Team Ferrari is taken. The body is finished. Schui is on-board, but Barichello may have taken a vacation brake. Don't know if he will end up with new teammate this year. Maybe Massa may joy the team, but he hasn't gotten much luck lately.

There is a new powerplant in place and Bridgestone has developed a new set of special compound tires for the team this year. Ready to take on the new season, Team Ferrari believe they are on pace this year. Not making any forecasting on the first race, but Schui is very confident on putting a great battle on the first race of the season.

2006 Formula 1 Constructor/Team Championship Point Series

Team Formation:
Teams will be comprised of two (2) drivers that will race and score points in the same event day. Drivers/Teams are encouraged to pick original Formula 1 team names and color schemes for their cars.

Some examples of team names are:

Scuderia Marlboro Ferrari
West Mclaren Mercedes
BMW Williams F1
DHL Jordan Honda

Sauber Petronas
Lucky Strike BAR Honda
Mild Seven Renault F1
Jaguar Racing

Orange Arrows Cosworth
KL Minardi Asiatech
Panasonic Toyota F1

Red Bull F1

Prost



If a driver changes teams once the season started, the driver does not carry his previously earned team points to the new team. The new-formed team (due to new driver) continues to earn points from there on until the end of the season. BOTH cars for the new team MUST use the same body color team scheme. That driver keeps his “driver” points earned up to that point and continues to earn points on the “driver” championship.

Team members should have paint schemes that closely resemble each other and are easily identifiable as team cars. Paint schemes of actual F1 teams is preferred and highly encouraged, but made up teams will be allowed provided they look like they could be a real team if any such team existed. Please keep team names tasteful (i.e. no team names that are either obscene or offensive in nature).


Race Format:
The format will be comprised of one practice 5 minute session where drivers will be trying to set a fast-lap. Then it iwill be followed by one 5 minute qualifier session race to set the fast lap. Then it will be followed by two 5 minute mains each race day.

Qualifier:
We will run the first heat as a practice session. The cars will grid according to their current point standings. We will use heads up start (i.e. all at once). Because this is fast lap qualifying, each vehicle is only required to complete 1 fast lap in the session, however it is highly recommended to do the full race in case other drivers improve over your "fast lap". All drivers must turn marshal regardless of the amount of laps taken.



The grid for the second heat, the 5-minute qualifier will be set the same way as the first practice session. Again, we will use heads up start and shoot for the fast lap to qualify for the mains.




Mains:
There will be two 5minute Main events.

The grid order for the FIRST MAIN will be done according to the fast lap times of the qualifying session race. The person with the fastest lap time will grid in 1st place for the FIRST MAIN RACE, the second fastest time will grid 2nd place and so on.



The grid order for the SECOND MAIN will be the order in which they finished the FIRST MAIN. We will treat the time between the FIRST MAIN AND SECOND MAIN as one long pit stop, where you can make adjustments to your vehicle or fix if you break during the first main. If your car were to break in the first main event, it will take the grid in the order in which it "finished" in the first main.

In the event of a rain out after the first half of the mains the finishing order will be used as the results for the race day. If it rains out before any mains is completed. The race will be re-scheduled for the next race day.

Scoring:
The points will be based on which driver does the most laps after combining the results for the two main events. The total combined time will be 10+ minutes. In cases where drivers complete the same number of laps, positions will be awarded by lowest finishing times. In the event of a true tie (laps and time) the position will be awarded to the racer with the faster qualifying times. In case there is also tie in "fast lap" qualifying times as well, then both drivers will be awarded the same number of points for that position.


F1 Points Table
1st Place 10 Points
2nd Place 9 Points
3rd Place 8 Points
4th Place 7 Points
5th Place 6 Points
6th Place 5 Points
7th Place 4 Points
8th Place 3 Points

9th Place 2 Points

10th Place and down 1 Point

Team points shall be the COMBINED TOTALS of their drivers. Championship points for the Constructor/Team series shall be determined by the total points tally after all events have been completed in the season with TWO race drops allowed by each driver.

FORMULA 1 CLASS RULES:

1. Any manufacturer brand of electronic speed control, radio equipment, servo saver, antenna and ball bearings are allowed.

2. Any 27 Mhz, 75 Mhz or 2.4GHz radio system.

3. Any forward only ESC that is currently available on the market is allowed. Any ESC with reverse capability must be locked out. NO REVERSE ALLOWED.

4. Any Aftermarket Hop-up option is allowed as long as it is used in the way it was designed, UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED IN THESE RULES. Hop-up/aftermarket chassis will be allowed.

5. Cutting or milling to lighten the chassis will be allowed.

6. SPEC battery (3800 or new 4200) can be used and any battery and motor connectors may be used; vehicles may be hard wired.

7. Only Tamiya reinforced Type A (53564 & 53565) and Type B (53660 & 53661) rubber-grooved tires are allowed. Any tire insert will be allowed. Absolutely NO SLICKS OR FOAM TIRES allowed! If tires are worn down to slicks, they must be replaced with grooved tires. All grooves must be showing before the race. Front tires may not be used in the rear as rear tires. No purposely shaving down the grooves of the tires. No touring car tires allowed. NOTE: On non-point series days, worn down and other manufacturers tires are allowed in order to conserve good tires for the series.

8. Rims designed for the F201 car only. No touring car rims allowed. Rims must be to scale.

9. Traction compound, tire additives and tire warmers are allowed.

10. Reedy 19Turn motors must be used. Any brushes and springs are allowed.

11. Only spec stick battery packs will be allowed for point series participants. The spec battery for this year will be???. The cost of these packs will be $XX. It is encouraged that each participant buy no more than two (2) battery packs.

12. Body: F201 Formula 1 Lexan bodies only (including front and rear wing). A driver figure must be used with the body. Extra holes may be added for venting/cooling.

13. Only Tamiya stock or high-speed gear sets are allowed. Adjustable ratio or mixing the stock gear sets is not permitted

14. Minimum vehicle weight is 53 oz.


15. Vehicle track width: Maximum track width at no more than 200mm wide.

16. No one-way bearings of any kind (differential or center mounted) will be allowed.

17. 2WD Formula 1 Class (F101, F102, F103, and F103L chassis) will be separate class from 4WD Class (F201 chassis) for the constructor/team point series. 2WD and 4WD vehicles could compete in the same heats or mains, but their finishing times/laps and points will be calculated separately from 4wd to keep the class competition fair.

18. Must have fun!

When did that happen? I didn't see anything about that during the race coverage. Anyways, Scott Speed did really well. If I am not running a team can I choose whatever paint scheme I want or should I use anything not being used. I am leaning towards a Sauber BMW or a Ferrari.

As far as I'm concerned if you're not on a team you can run whatever paint scheme you like. It's not a huge deal for me as long as it's something traditional.

And the teams:

BMW Sauber
Ferrari - Carlos and Dan (or?)
Honda
McLaren - Dish and Brad
Midland - Fred and Derek
Red Bull
Renault
Super Aguri
Toro Rosso
Toyota - Rlegend
Williams

Updated teams.

Hey Carlos,

My team is run by the Russians...You might not win more than one race before you go "missing".