Just have to say, I loved the opening scenes this particular episode had to offer.
I love the relationship that has been developing between Adama and Roslin. It was nice to see them smile and laugh with Roslin's goofy little pre-speach habits.
The music of this show continues to impress me to no end. So non-traditional for a sci-fi show. I can't wait for the soundtrack for season two.

This ep had me on the edge of the seat from the initial scenes with Tyrol and Callie.

Did anyone notice the Trek nod when the Raptor came out of FTL inside the mountain? You always heard someone say "what if we rematerialize inside solid rock?" but it never happened. What a way to go...

Bet they never even knew it.

Frackin great episode of a frackin great show.

Bet they never even knew it.

Frackin great episode of a frackin great show.

Yeah, but it was interesting that Helo could detect the transponder.

While I'm fairly sure John your thinking of a 'Philedelphia Experiment' type fusion between the Raptor and the rock.

What if it was more like the Terminators time travel bubble where the displacment field simply 'got rid' of everything in the area of the bubble. Then, they would be alive with no chance of getting out. Since they're in a space ship, they probably have a few days of oxygen left.:drunk:

Yeah, but it was interesting that Helo could detect the transponder.

While I'm fairly sure John your thinking of a 'Philedelphia Experiment' type fusion between the Raptor and the rock.

What if it was more like the Terminators time travel bubble where the displacment field simply 'got rid' of everything in the area of the bubble. Then, they would be alive with no chance of getting out. Since they're in a space ship, they probably have a few days of oxygen left.:drunk:

If what you say is true, what would stop them from "jumping" out?

I think last nights episode brought BSG back to the great show it has been except for the recent bumps in the road.
When BSG is hitting on all eight it is the epitome of a sci-fi show.

An excellent series. I wonder if they'll consider making a theatrical transition at some point?

It was nice to see "Starbuck" acting like a CAG, again. (Or finally.)

:thumbsup: This show really has it all.

I wished they would've given hints about Tyrol's breakdown in earlier episodes. Smacks of Apollo's relationship with the hooker and Starbuck losing it over Anders. Small snit.

And I was wondering when they were going to use Roslin's remembering seeing Baltar and Six. I can't wait for next week.

Possible (minor) spoiler if you taped the show and haven't watched it yet.







I liked the part when the Chief asked Dean Stockwell how he
knew the Chief wasn't a Cylon, and Dean said what we all were
thinking:

"Because I'm a Cylon and I didn't see you at the meetings."

:p

^ Yeah, that was a great line. It's nice to see Dean Stockwell and I liked the character he played. A no-nonsense, seemed-a-bit-burned-out-by-religion priest. I hope they bring him back.

José

I liked the part when the Chief asked Dean Stockwell how he
knew the Chief wasn't a Cylon, and Dean said what we all were
thinking:

"Because I'm a Cylon and I didn't see you at the meetings."

:p

Similar to Six telling Baltar in the mini that she hadn't seen Doral "at any of the Cylon parties."

Good line from Tyrol,"Are you sure you're a priest?"

Great episode except the ending. Finding Anders was WAY too easy and you just knew the artillery was about to start. Have to also agree that some hint of the Chief's state of mind before this episode would have helped. Poor Callie. For her unrequited love of Tyrol she has been temporarily imprisoned for killing Boomer and had the snot beat out of her. She needs to get a new boyfriend.
:p

Poor Callie. For her unrequited love of Tyrol she has been temporarily imprisoned for killing Boomer and had the snot beat out of her. She needs to get a new boyfriend.
:p

No kidding. I was thinking that so far she's:

- Been imprisoned and threatened by a criminal
- Imprisoned for killing Boomer
- Psychologically traumatized on Kobol
- Beaten by Tyrol

I'm sure I'm missing something else. Regardless, I think the writers need to start picking on someone else.

José

I think they found Anders easily because they knew where the base camp was, and they intentionally landed close by. They didn't go in for a firefight, they just went in to grab the survivors and get out.

During the beating at the beginning, I kept thinking how much I felt sorry for both characters - Tyrol is going to be beating himself up over it...big time.

where the displacment field simply 'got rid' of everything in the area of the bubble. Then, they would be alive with no chance of getting out. Since they're in a space ship, they probably have a few days of oxygen left.:drunk:I think it is something like this, but the raptor is in motion when they jump back into "normal space". Wether the ship rematerialized inside or just a few feet outside, at however many thousands of miles per hour they were travelling, they're still gonna slam into a mountain.

Great episode, BTW

John O.

Were there always so many raptors? Seems like it would make more sense to take some kind of shuttle. I think they were going to build one for the episode with Dana Delaney but decided against it.

I like the beginning too, the intercutting and the music. It gave it an interesting feeling, but they kind of lost it through the episode. That related to the episode trailers too I thinking, this episode had a really interesting trailer, but the one for the next episode was kind of boring in comparison.

Loved the interplay between Roslin & Baltar; the conflict between them is firing on all cylindars.

Great writing, editing and performances across the board. It's always a good sign when the credits list Moore as writer and Michael Rymer as director, and last night's episode was one of their best.

Great to see Dean Stockwell, but I agree with those who wish the Chief would catch a break. That guy's been through the wringer.

I believe the Pegasus had a much larger arsenal of ships being a modern battlestar vs. Galactica neaaring the end of it's service. That's where many of the raptors are from.

I'm betting this new planet is a setup by the Cylons. Come on, Racetrack's raptor just "happens" to jump right to a planet that can support life. Where did those coordinates come from? Gaeta perhaps? Dee?

Based at some hinted-at spoilers, the Cylons may offer to end the war and give the humans this refuge in exchange for something frightening. Kind of like the pact that was made with the dragon in "Dragonslayer." ;) Of course, I hope I'm wrong and will be continually surprised.

We know that Pegasus has the capability to manufacture Vipers...why not Raptors?

Based at some hinted-at spoilers, the Cylons may offer to end the war and give the humans this refuge in exchange for something frightening.

I loved it when Baltar played the Fear Card during the debate. It seems pretty clear that if elected he would attempt to strike some sort of Faustian bargain with the Cylons in an effort to make peace (because, you know, trusting the Cylons has worked out so well in the past).

Laura is going to lose the election, and the results are going to be catostrophic for the fleet. The good news is President Baltar will almost certainly be impeached before the end of the third season. :)

Actually, I have no idea where all this is leading but it's fun to speculate. Boomer's ominous prognostication about a looming "dark time" clearly foreshadows... well, something dark and ominous. Any thoughts?

^ Other than a tribute to B5, since the first two seasons were rife with ominous warnings.

I agree, I think Roslin will lose, and playing the fear card by Baltar struck a definitely realistic tone. We've seen it being used in presidential elections going back to the 1960s.

José

In my opinion, this episode is a lead into the election built on the basis of people taking the more pleasurable choice and go to the planet. This is a very similar affair to the episode where Commander Adama, in the TOS version, had to face with the "wilds" of Carollon where the hidden danger was the Ovions taking humans as food for their un-hatched young and the Cylons prepared a trap for the Battlestar.

I believe we'll see a situation where the cylons will spring a trap after the people begin to enjoy the planet and there will be a mad rush back to the ships for a last minute jump that Adama planned for. The season finale will be that of the cylons springing their trap, and the new season episode will be a planned counter offensive planned by Adama to give the fleet time to escape and resume their voyage. I'll be beans to dollars that's how this will play out using the second half of the TOS pilot episode as the basis for this episode.

Great episode! Good combination of drama and action.

I've noticed a lot of brutality on the series so far. Is this in common with other current dramatic/action television series? (I don't regularly watch any other TV series.) I don't really mind it but it seems some of it is excessive in regards to the storytelling.

Must say that I'm greatly enjoying watching repeats in HD on Universal HD. www.universalhd.com

They just showed the episode that introduces the Pegasus. The clarity of the special effects makes it like watching it in the movie theatre. It's like a whole new show.

The brutality doesn't surprise me, I figure the amount of stress on these people is beyond belief. Every minute of every day they are on the run, I'm sure it gets to them.
I'm sure there are those who don't give a dam (ya know that thing that holds back water) but for a lot of them it must boil right under the surface.

I figure the amount of stress on these people is beyond belief.I think this is right and two things occurred to me the other day about it.

1) If you're lucky enough to make it to Cloud 9, you could fake yourself out that you're under something like a real sky, otherwise the biggest room you might find yourself in is a flight deck on Galactica or Pegasus. I think these folks live in pretty tight quarters, with little privacy, and that's gonna make people very grumpy.

2) I don't know about you guys, but I work with pretty decent people most of the time, YET if I never got a break from them, I'd get fed up in short order. I think the BSG folks are way past that point.

John O.

^^Good points. I'm still not sure that the slugfest on the face of that girl needed to be as long as it was to make the point, however.

If she still loves him after that, will she take on the "battered wife syndrome?" Is that the sort of relationship the humans have with the cylons? It seems that Baltar has that sort of relationship with his mental Six.

I'm still not sure that the slugfest on the face of that girl needed to be as long as it was to make the point, however.

The over-the-top ferocity of Tyrol's attack was like something out of "28 DAYS LATER" (I half expected him to start gnawing on Cally's face). Not sure why the producers felt the need to amp up the violence, but I agree with those who found it a bit gratuitous.

Not sure why the producers felt the need to amp up the violence.I asked myself the same question and along with the conditions I noted above, I think the answer is as simple as these folks are past the point of enduring anything we have experienced ...and it has to come out somewhere and it ain't gonna be pretty. I'm sure that "envy of the dead" lurks right below Tyrol's conscious thoughts, as it probably does for any of the characters on this show - that has got to eat away at his ability to make rational choices.

John O.

We also don't know how long he's been sleep deprived or unable to get a good night's rest. I know that I'm pretty grumpy when I don't sleep well. Not beat-up-my-wife grumpy, but maybe the cats don't get the usual number of scratches-behind-the-ear.

José

We also don't know how long he's been sleep deprived or unable to get a good night's rest. I know that I'm pretty grumpy when I don't sleep well. Not beat-up-my-wife grumpy, but maybe the cats don't get the usual number of scratches-behind-the-ear.

José

Tyrol was definately disoriented, and didn't seem to know where he was or what he was doing.

What he had was a common form of sleep-walking wherein aggression and panicky fear combine to unleash some very violent reactions to the sleeping mind/waking body. The supposition would be that he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder probably combined with sleep deprivation, physical exhaustion, depression, and severe daily stress.

I have a friend who is probably less likely than most -- under normal circumstances -- to be violent toward anyone. But partly because of something that happened to him as a child, I wouldn't attempt to wake him as Callie tried to wake Tyrol in this episode. I did once ... I didn't get punched, but he came up with his fist drawn back.

Qapla'

SSB

Tyrol was definately disoriented, and didn't seem to know where he was or what he was doing.

Yes, exactly. It implies this had been going on for quite a while. Long past the kitties-don't-get-scratches-behind-the-ears grumpy stage.

José

Anyone notice that the drums being played as part of the mood-elevating background music is very "japanese" in theme? I noticed this after watching a commercial for the Mitsu.. Eclispse sports car.

They wanted Tyrol to do something awful so they had him beat her up.

Overall, I liked the episode.

I think that if (and probably when) Roslin looses the election, it will give her and Adama an opportunity to become more ... ... intimate. I did notice that she's becoming quite comfortable in Adama's quarters ... practicing with her shoes off ... I wonder if we'll see her get any more comfortable ... ;)

I thought Stockwell's character (Brother Cavill) was well written and executed. He's definitely 180 degrees out from Elosha. I'm thinking that his line about not seeing Tyrol at any of the "Cylon meetings" was a little too reminiscent of Six's line in the miniseries and was actually meant as a clue to us that he really is a Cylon. If he is, I think it's a brilliant move on Moore's part ... What better way to manipulate humanity than through the use of their own religion ... it's wonderfully insidious! :eek:

I thought it was a little too much of a stretch to believe that Tyrol was sleeping on the hangar deck floor in his underwear and only Cally was looking for him or saw him ... Probably comes from serving on five different aircraft carriers over the last twenty years. Someone had to have seen him ... especially if he was sleepwalking. That sort of thing just doesn't go unnoticed or unmonitored ... especially on a war ship. I understand the need to tie in to his dream ... but I think the scene would have played better in the berthing (sleeping quarters for you civilian types).

Now that the story has jumped (both figuratively and literally) back to Caprica, I'm wondering if "Caprica Six" and "Boomer" will show up to save Starbuck and company. If they do, it will be interesting to see how those two interact with Sharon, Starbuck and Helo. It will be even more interesting if Sharon, Boomer and Six make it back to the fleet and Six meets up with Gina ... ... Cat fight anyone?? :devil:

Now that the story has jumped (both figuratively and literally) back to Caprica, I'm wondering if "Caprica Six" and "Boomer" will show up to save Starbuck and company. If they do, it will be interesting to see how those two interact with Sharon, Starbuck and Helo. It will be even more interesting if Sharon, Boomer and Six make it back to the fleet and Six meets up with Gina ... ... Cat fight anyone?? :devil:

I'm hoping for a tastefully done love scene.

I have a friend who is probably less likely than most -- under normal circumstances -- to be violent toward anyone. But partly because of something that happened to him as a child, I wouldn't attempt to wake him as Callie tried to wake Tyrol in this episode. I did once ... I didn't get punched, but he came up with his fist drawn back.


I think I was about 6 or 8 when I learned not to wake Dad up. Back then he still had some reflexes left over from sleeping in a tent on Saipan when there were still occasional enemy raids. I'd made a banjo out of tinker toys and a shoe box that I was very proud of. I tapped him on the shoulder with the tip of the neck. I can still see the look of "Kill the Jap" on his face as he smacked the "rifle" out of my hand and tinker toys flew all over the bedroom. (And, of course, I ran screaming from the room and Mom yelled at him :D)

Not war related (I don't think), but I also learned not to wake up my dad. He'd jump up and be ready to throw a punch your way if you woke him up....

Granted, he really loves to sleep, so maybe that's not a defensive action as much as what he'd like to do to you for waking him up.

José

When I was a kid my mom would wake me up by tickling my feet or sometimes she'd put the cat on my bed so it would walk all over me....why didn't Cally try that? :)

I got one HOLY Frack

Speechless... :eek:

November?!? :mad:

No, October.

WOW, that's something new. Civilians stranded under Cylon occupation, Skeleton crew in the fleet jumped to who-knows-where. Cylon messiah baby will undoubtably be discovered. What do the Cylons want in exchange for letting humanity live? What about earth? AMAZING ending!!

Bad enough.

One thing I either missed or wasn't addressed in last nights episode, what happened to the Dean Stockwells and Sharon?

No, you didn't miss anything. They were not dealt with in the "one year later" portion. I am sure it will be dealt with next season.

I am wondering if that was another model of cylon that came into Starbucks tent looking for her.

I also wonder how many ships the nuclear explosion actually took out. I think I counted 5.

There at the end as the centurians marched through the center of "town", all I could think of was the Nazi occupation scenes in Schindlers List. I also kept hearing the music from Ep. III when Anakin leads the 501st into the Jedi temple.

I am wondering if that was another model of cylon that came into Starbucks tent looking for her.


It's been awhile, but we've already seen that Cylon model, it was the same model Starbuck interrogated and then Roslin threw out the airlock. And the guy Adama fought on the arms depot in the pilot/miniseries.

I believe Roslin carried out her idea of tossing the priests out the airlock. I assumed the other Sharon was still in the brig aboard Galactica, but we don't know.

She has the worst time!

Now she is pregnant.

Will the Cylons kill her baby because they think the
Colonials killed Sharon's baby?

Those Colonials!

I don't think they deserve to survive!

They land on a planet, and the first thing they do
is FORM A UNION AND DEMAND BENEFITS??!!!

Idiots!

Get out in those fields and grow some food!

Build some houses!

Build a spacedock and construct more Battlestars!

What's the matter with them?