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Venom coming!

Say... isn't there a thing at the top of the Forum about Venom postings? I don't think it's allowed ;)

Well, that looks like a set up for part 4 if I ever saw one.

Hey great! A superhero in a black costume! There's something new!!

:rolleyes:

You don't know Spidey history, do you John? It's not one of those "Let's change it for the movie because we can" things. There's a whole sub-story from the comics involving the black costume - it leads to the creation of one of his villains.

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There's a fan-altered image that brings the costume truer to the comic/cartoon version
http://images.aintitcool.com/images2006/Blackenstein.jpg

And as a longtime comic fan........I'm insulted that Venom is in it. Very insulted. Spidey and his GREAT rogue's gallery were around for 40 years without the boring Venom. Where is Electro? Vulture? Kraven? Mysterio? etc....

He had great titanic tussels with those guys. But no, the teenie fanboy audience screamed for Venom and Raimi caved into it....Very disappointed I am.

And as a longtime comic fan........I'm insulted that Venom is in it. Very insulted. Spidey and his GREAT rogue's gallery were around for 40 years without the boring Venom. Where is Electro? Vulture? Kraven? Mysterio? etc....

He had great titanic tussels with those guys. But no, the teenie fanboy audience screamed for Venom and Raimi caved into it....Very disappointed I am.

It would seem the assessment that Venom will be in part 4 to me the more likely scenario. If you check the IMDB credits,
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413300/fullcredits
it looks like the main villains will be Sandman, probably the Lizard and perhaps Green Goblin II (see Gwen Stacy). Also, given that Steve Ditko and Stan Lee figure prominently in the writing credits, I think it will be all classic villains (IIRC, David Michelinie and Todd McFarlane came up with the Venom character).

The last wildcard is figuring out who Topher Grace is going to play... but given his physique, I doubt it will be Venom. Given his talent for taunts and sarcasm, my money's on Mysterio.

The last wildcard is figuring out who Topher Grace is going to play... but given his physique, I doubt it will be Venom. Given his talent for taunts and sarcasm, my money's on Mysterio.

More & more news sources are listing him as playing Venom... including comments by Variety's Michael Fleming, as well as an interview with Kirsten Dunst. Mysterio's not an option, as Mysterio's alter ego, Quentin Beck, is slated to be played by Bruce Campbell.

Lizard's looking to be unlikely, as the actor playing Curt Connors wasn't signed til later in the filming process... probably just another small part to keep the character tied into the backstory in case they do opt for the Lizard in a future script.

I'm not too thrilled with the possibility of either Venom OR Sandman... I think Kraven or Electro would have been stronger choices.

2007!! :freak:

Personally, I'm a bit excited about seeing "Lab Technician"! Yummy!!! :devil:

Oh, yea, & James Cromwell.

Looks like a black and white photo to me, maybe Spidey fell into a tar pit! Anyway, I'm with Matthew, boo to Venom! Would rather see any of the Sinister Six. Vulture or Electro would have been great. Let's hope Sandman takes up most of the villain screen time.

Personally, I'm a bit excited about seeing "Lab Technician"! Yummy!!! :devil:

Oh, yea, & James Cromwell. Yep, he helped screw up "First Contact", no doubt he'll do the same here.

Yep, he helped screw up "First Contact", no doubt he'll do the same here.
My, my, my. Pessimistic much? :rolleyes: I thought he did a great job as Zefram. And considering First Contact was one of the top grossing films, I bet most other fans thought so, too.

Venom is well after my time so I have no particular feeling about the character but we all know these franchises lose quality as they go along. They eventually "give out". I wouldn't expect more than one more Spider-Man installment before they put the character away for a few years feature-length movie-wise.

Venom has proven to be a very popular villan as has Carnage (who I like better) and Venom would most likely help pull in more viewers.
Venom has been anything but boring, that sounds more like a case of "I want classic villans or nothing". Venom knows Peters true identity and has raised all kinds of heck (oops call Hank I said heck) with Peters life.
For those who don't know the black suit is actually a symbiote from another world that Peter got in "The Secret Wars", it is evil and feeds off of humans. Brock just happened to be the one the suit went to after Peter managed to get rid of it and Brock hated Peter so the suit feed on that hatred.

Yeah, the Venom's story's actually not bad. I hope they would do it justice. Having said that, I would've preferred seeing a classic villain, like the Rhino.

José

You don't know Spidey history, do you John? It's not one of those "Let's change it for the movie because we can" things. There's a whole sub-story from the comics involving the black costume - it leads to the creation of one of his villains.

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I think John is probably aware of the venom character in the comics and the whole symbiotic costume storyline - and, like myself, he could care less. The point is: Dressing Superheroes in all-black costumes has become hackneyed and cliche'. It was fine when they did it with Batman because it fit the character. And it probably would have been okay with Spiderman IF there hadn't already been a glut of black costumed heroes unleashed on the public in the recent past. Like John, I'm tired of it.

- GJS

I seriously doubt that Spidey will wear an all black costume for the whole movie and if they intend to bring Venom in they really don't have a choice in the matter, if they wish to retain some continuity from the comics.
But if they wish to bring it in earlier in the movie I am all for it then. I love Venom.

James Cromwell is a fine actor, and never screwed up a single part or film he was in.

That's not to say he was never in any bad films, or ever played a part that someone didn't like. But he always delivers his best performance. If the script or the movie sucks, it sure ain't HIS fault.

My, my, my. Pessimistic much? :rolleyes: I thought he did a great job as Zefram. And considering First Contact was one of the top grossing films, I bet most other fans thought so, too. I stand corrected, it was a good film. But I cringe when I see him in it. Sorry to disagree JP!:hat:

Hey I'm Bummed it looks less and Less like the Lizard like you guys,BUT although Venom came on the scene right after I'd stopped reading the Comics, I've liked the last two Films,So I'm sure Rami will make 3 just as Quality. I guess Showing Dr. Conners in 2 was just like Lando Dee Williams in the first couple of Batman's as "Harvey Dent" then when it's time to show "Two-Face" here comes Tommy Lee Jones (Although He was great in the Part) I would NOT have been upset if they'ed expanded the Two Face Part and Did away with Jim Carrey as the Diddler all together. I'm sure some of you disagree but I just didn't like him Especially toward the end what was with the Elton John Capt. Fantastic Sequin Getup? lol BTW I was watchin "Rent" (mentioned in another Thread) and I was sayin' to the Wife, "Man I would Cast Taye Diggs as Lex Luthor in a heartbeat) Taye seemed (in Rent) to be Bald Enough lol Smoothly Intelligent much,In My Opinion,as Lex was presented in the Recent Superman and JLA Animated Shows. Just a Thought sorry to ramble
John/Lonfan

I Sorry to disagree JP!:hat:

Hey, it's what makes the world go 'round. :)

Hey are "Carnage" and "Venom" the same guy I mean in the Comics? Where did Canage come from?

John

I would love to see the Rhino or Mysterio in the next film. Not a fan of classic villains per say, I just think they're more interesting. Spidey in a black suit does seem to be obviously setting up part 4 with Venom. Though it also seems that films specifically designed to set up a sequel never work out well. Hope this will be the exception. Loved part 2, though now EVERYONE in the city knows Spiderman's true identity since he kept pulling his mask off throughout the film.

Well, think of it this way- they do & they don't. Those people on the train know he's a kid, but they don't know his name, regular job or anything else about him. So in a sense, he is still safe to an extent. NYC is a big city!

Hey are "Carnage" and "Venom" the same guy I mean in the Comics? Where did Canage come from?

John

Carnage is a guy named Cledus Kassidy who was a cellmate of Eddie Brock (Venom) He caught a glimpse of Venom's alien symbiote outside his cell window and tried to kill Brock, but in the attempt, became infected with a bit of Venom's symbiote, which then grew to become the Carnage symbiote.

What is wrong with you people???
You are questioning the credibility of a filmmaker that has proven himself to know what we want before we know we want it. Raimi is a HUGE Spiderman fan and he has shown his respect and understaning of how all these comics can be intertwined to make a good solid film. Spiderman has SO MANY villians that to make sure they ALL get screen time you would have to make 25 movies or start junking the fim up with multi-villians. We all know that too many villians can become distracting. So Sam is trying to introduce as many CLASSIC story lines as he can without degrading the overall product. Yes most of the villians mentioned are cool but most of them are not gonna make it to the Big Screen solely b/c of the danger of repeating the SAME movie. We saw this in the show Smallville, cool show but even the biggest fan got tired of seeing the same story every week... Clark deals with teen problems while a super villian created by the Kryptonite is terroizing the town... Cloe documents and Lex searches for answers... This went on week in and week out until they got smart and created a single storyline that spans the entire season.

The same would happen if all the classic villians got their own shot at Spidey. After Spiderman 3 the movies will NEED a new feel, not the same as Trilogy 1... Trilogy 2 is going to need the Venom/Carnage type stuff to go on to keep people interested. I never thought of Venom or Carnage as boring, they are amazing character creations and are worthy of the Big Screen. Yes the Sinister 6 are also worthy but you have to ask are people gonna go see a Spidey film where he fights a bald Vulture or a guy in a Rhinocerous costume, or is the hard earned money gonna be spent on an Intergalactic, muscle-bound freight train with 5 rows of teeth and a bad attitude.

I am in no way a Spidey Fan boy but I do love the character and I really love what Sam has done so far, lets just wait and see and stop all this belly aching about "I want my beloved rogue gallery from 1965..."

Just my 2

As I agree with John about the over use of Black costuming in film, the Symbiote HAS TO BE BLACK...

Travis

the black suit is a signal that #3 will not be good. they will attempt to divert the storyline in a different but it will not work.





you heard it here first!

Venom was well after my time as well, so I have no enthusiasm for seeing that character. There's a better reason for concern...

Spider-Man: Everyone and their nephew pointed out that it was modeled after Superman - The Movie. Sam Raimi avered that this was so.

Spider-Man 2: Raimi has said that he was likewise inspired by Superman II.





Spider-Man 3, Superman 3: Our hero encounters an unnatural substance (red Kryptonite, goo suit from space) that turns him into a total @$$hole, then has to literally battle himself?

Do I see a Chris Rock cameo coming?

You don't strike me as the supersticious type, dreamer... :)

José

Venom was well after my time as well, so I have no enthusiasm for seeing that character. There's a better reason for concern...

Spider-Man: Everyone and their nephew pointed out that it was modeled after Superman - The Movie. Sam Raimi avered that this was so.

Spider-Man 2: Raimi has said that he was likewise inspired by Superman II.





Spider-Man 3, Superman 3: Our hero encounters an unnatural substance (red Kryptonite, goo suit from space) that turns him into a total @$$hole, then has to literally battle himself?

Do I see a Chris Rock cameo coming?


HEH! :p

i dont know of a series that has had 3 hits in a row.
James Bond probably, but i predict SpiderMan 3 may be too much.
seems like they are going to throw alot into it and i forsee it will not work.

yes, i am basing this all on the black costume.

that tells me a radical departure from a pretty good storyline is written for #3.
i hated the black costumein the comics and i dont care how popular Carnage, Ravage, Savage or Passage was, to over look some of the classic baddies is a huge mistake!

sounds like a trendy chocie in instead of the right choice.

sounds like a trendy chocie in instead of the right choice.

The character first appeared in the mid-Eighties so "trendy" is a somewhat relative term.

Also, the assumption is that Venom would appear in 3. I think they're setting it up for Venom to be the main villain in 4.

José

any characters other than the original one's are trendy.
Venom and Carnage will be a serious departure from the success of the first 2.

Look guys, Spidey's had a lot of villains over the years, and while everyone has their own opinions of which ones are the best or most interesting, bottom line is that they've already done the only ones that the average public knows - Goblin and Ock. Anything after that, they have to go with what the majority of the public will recognize, and the next most recognizable one is Venom. The rest of the villains are ones that you have to know more about the comics to "get".

Venom is easy enough to explain his origin in a short amount of time but still interesting enough to carry a film.

Short version Venom origin - Eddie Brock didn't find the symbiote and say "Yeah, let's team up." The symbiote found him. As it connected with him, they found they had something in common...a disdain of Spider-Man/Peter. At the beginning, the symbiote "possessed" Brock - Brock had no control over it. The control and mutual dependence between Brock and symbiote developed over time.

So, you have a buildup to why Brock hates Peter. You have a buildup to the existence of the symbiote. At some point, the two collide, creating a Venom.

Venom also follows the theme of Spidey, Goblin and Ock. They get these powers, usually against their will, and eventually learn what they can do with them. WHAT they do with them goes back to what Uncle Ben told Peter..."With great power comes great responsibility."

A lot of Spidey's other villains aren't that interesting. They're great physical and logistical challenges for him to beat, but none that he really has a connection to. THAT'S what makes the story interesting - "Spider-man" knows he has to take this guy down but "Peter" doesn't want to because he knows he's taking out a friend.

It's easy to stage action scenes (does the name "Bruckheimer" mean anything to you?) It's not easy to write characters that make you care about them.

Absolutely true. Plus, much as I love the "early" guys - Electro and Rhino wear really silly looking costumes.

oh yeah, that spider costume looks sooooo hip.

all superhero costumes look goofy to some extent.

oh yeah, that spider costume looks sooooo hip.

all superhero costumes look goofy to some extent.

And Electro and Rhino look goofy to an extreme extent.:p

any characters other than the original one's are trendy.
Venom and Carnage will be a serious departure from the success of the first 2.

On the other hand, Ra's Al Ghul wasn't one of The Batman's traditional villians - one with which the general public could relate - he was a later creation. And yet, he worked perfectly in BATMAN BEGINS.

While my sentiments are the same as yours when it comes to using the classic characters, there's a part of me that wants to remain open-minded about Spiderman #3.

- GJS