With all the bologna about batteries these days, mine run better, mine run longer, you cant win without these cells, what ARE the differences really between different matchers cells except a few dollars retail and the labels? Most of these cells are manufactured to the same exact specs, and come from the same date I suspect, so how could one brand be any better than the other? Number of matching cycles? Zap, push, pull, or yank settings? Maybe this could be a good place for some of the matchers to tell us what they do different rather than push a button and stick on a label? Is there ANY difference between barand X and brand Y?

Mayhem,
I don't want this to sound like an info-mercial, so here goes...

Battery matching and availability has changed greatly over the past 20 years. Killer cells are readily available now from many sources. When comparing the same type of cell, (say Intellect since they are the most popular) The difference from matcher to matcher is attention to detail. Zapping cells is simple, and everyone knows how to now. It comes down to attention to detail: climate controlled rooms, keeping all the ports in your machines calibrated, stabilized cell temperature prior to cycling, etc...
Basically, how well the matchers do their jobs to give legitimate readings and keep tightly matched cells.

The most anal and thorough person I have met thus far in the battery game is Steve Salvas from TQ Cells. I used to do all my own, as well as all of Team Trinity's team cells when I worked for Ernie. For me to hand the responsibility to someone else took a long time for me to do, and the only one I trust is Steve. His numbers are true, the match of his cells within a pack are tight, and they cycle out to what they should be. If there is an unforseen problem, he makes it right. Great cells and service are the norm from Steve Salvas at TQ Cells.:thumbsup:

Good stuff, keep it coming...Thanks for the input Todd.

And how do we find TQ cells? Does he have a web page or are they sold through another dist.?

the best in the biz!

http://www.tqcells.com
NICK

the best in the biz!

http://www.tqcells.com
NICK

The TQ cells are matched better then most but my money is on Axxis Batteries light years ahead... This is why.:thumbsup:

read this: http://www.axxis-racing.com/hes.html

I dont know guys, i look for product support, an Eric Anderson is a super nice guy to work with, go with who treats u best

Charlie Flanagan

I dont know guys, i look for product support, an Eric Anderson is a super nice guy to work with, go with who treats u best

Charlie Flanagan

I agree... product support is good but performance and support BETTER! :thumbsup:

in the past few years I have ran many different companies products. this past winter I had the chance to team up with TQ cells. I had bought some other IB's and let me tell yah I have ran all my best runs on with the TQ cells. I'm a believer. I will never buy from anyone else. And TP is right Steve is awesome to deal with.

im just starting to try something other than SMC, all i know is eric is a super nice guy and hope to run more of his product, just to SAY, ive heard nothing but good about TQ cells, just puttin my two cense in, not like that means much,,,,,,, lol,,, goodluck


C3

but what do all these matchers do to make them so diff.they all get the cells the same way.Mayhem what cells are you running?lol

I have IB,IP, and GP calls in my box. Aside from the obligitory sponsor plugs, I am really interested in WHY one brand runs better than another, IF that is possible and noticeable. For example # of cycles during the match, zap techniques,stuff like that. Todd started to touch on it. Attention to detail, and service seem to be important.

I was hoping to hear from some matchers to sell us on WHY thier stuff is best, and what they do different, without giving away any proprietary info of course.
Could Joe racer buy a matcher, a zapper, and a case of cells and have a decent product? Trying to keep sponsor plugs out of this...

About the only thing that will change the numbers on the matchers is TEMP the hotter the cells are when the match is being done the better the numbers will look on the machine!!!!!!If you don't think this is right put a pack on a heating pad and let it get warm and then do a cycle on it and look at the #s!!!!!!!The pack will have more snap to it on the track also when done this way!!!!!!!!!Hacksaw

If you don't think this is right put a pack on a heating pad and let it get warm and then do a cycle on it and look at the #s!!!!!!!The pack will have more snap to it on the track also when done this way!!!!!!!!!Hacksaw

Not many of us tote around "heating pads" you old fart...... :cool:

Kenny@RAPTOR

I actually have done that, great for the knees between heats also! BUT why does just about every matcher advise not to charge a warm pack? I suppose COLD packs dont charge as well as room temp or warm on the surface cells? I know of a matcher who used to heat his cases before matching many years ago, which I think is a little misleading. I dont think he is in the biz anymore.

I agree... product support is good but performance and support BETTER! :thumbsup:

You trying to say my products dont perform? ;)

Just messing with you.

EA

Todd pretty much sumed it up and got his shameless plug in for his sponsor :thumbsup:. Seems he's the Michael Waltrip of RC!! LOL

There is no black magic in matching batteries like some have you to believe. Consistancy is the #1 thing in batteries. Cycling cells from day to day with the same rest between cycles, CONSTANT room temperature even when your NOT matching cells, same matcher settings from cycle to cycle, number of cells you do (larger pool=better match), etc.

Have the cells stored, before and after the match, (if you have to keep them very long before/after matching) at the same temp you match at is a big key as well. Having your equipment calibrated on a regular basis is a key to consistancy as well. The matchers must stay at the same room temp even when they are not in use. This keeps their calibrations a lot tighter, Just ask Jim at CE.

In the end pick what suits you best, offers the best service (before and after the sale if a problem arises) and on track performance.

EA

I actually have done that, great for the knees between heats also! BUT why does just about every matcher advise not to charge a warm pack? I suppose COLD packs dont charge as well as room temp or warm on the surface cells? I know of a matcher who used to heat his cases before matching many years ago, which I think is a little misleading. I dont think he is in the biz anymore.

The reason matchers tell you that is the heat after a charge/discharge is from a chemical reaction and the cells must have time for that reaction to stop and cool off naturally.

Heating the cells on a heating pad is not causing the same type of reaction.

EA

FYI - in the past three months I have tried IP's from both Hefty and Pole Position as well many IB's from Promatch. All ten packs from these various matchers cycled within .02 AV as a PACK! AIR's right on and runtime seems to depend on how long the cells have sat in stock. I guess the bottom line is that as long as you are getting what you pay for - it's all good. There's too many players on the market for companies to get away with playing number games. We all know how it feels to look at the turbo with dissapointment after spending big bucks!

I think powerpush has outstanding packs. They do not use the traditional turbo matcher as everyone else does. Every pack I have ever gotten from matches the label, service matches aswell. Taken directly from the website and have spoken with tony many times this is what his system does,
A)Hold the current to .001 of an amp, its that accurate.
B) Reading the voltage every 10 seconds, sets-up the discharge curve. This accurately matches the batteries.
C) We cycle the batteries until they repeat their discharge, this can be 4-5 times.
D) Cut-off voltage is determined by the computer to maximize potency per battery, this is not preset.
E) By using these methods each battery pack will discharge identically causing an increase in performance
Though some people disagree with this method of matching, I strongly beleive in these batteries and have used them for some time now. There is just to much hype in the battery industry, a fast driver is going to be fast no matter what. I have taken the advice and stuck with one matcher. Spoken on behalf because I dont see him on here very often.

About the only thing that will change the numbers on the matchers is TEMP the hotter the cells are when the match is being done the better the numbers will look on the machine!!!!!!If you don't think this is right put a pack on a heating pad and let it get warm and then do a cycle on it and look at the #s!!!!!!!The pack will have more snap to it on the track also when done this way!!!!!!!!!Hacksaw

In regards to battery temperature topic, what I found to be real important is the initial peak temp ... not so how warm the pack is at beginning of charge ... the latest Intellect date codes perform optimum when you get them 130F-135F at initial peak (70-75F ambient temp). If the battery pack doesn't get to 130-135F at initial peak simply "wrap" the battery pack in a clean cloth and monitor its temp so it reaches 130-135F at initial peak.

Thank you for the kind words toward TQ Cells ... it is much appreciated.

Objectives here are ... availability/quality/service ...

I love RC racing and well before being a battery matcher or a business man, I'm a dedicated racer. I know what a racer likes and dislikes ...

Steve.
tqcells.com

Ahhh, the fish finder is going crazy! The big fish are starting to bite! Good to hear from the matchers on this subject. I would be interested to hear how many cycles, if any, the different matchers are doing after the initial cycle. From a buisiness standpoint, the newer cells must take twice as long to cycle than just a few years ago. Cycling 4-5 times or till the discharge repeats as one racer mentioned above must take FOREVER to match a case, but I like the theory. Is this really necessary or feasable to do?

I Put My Ibs In A Heating Blanket Untill The Bars Are Hot To The Touch Then I Charge And Baaaaaaam! The Voltage Is The Highest And Air Is The Lowest !!!!

Much-More makes a cool warming tray with constant temps and it is ajustable..real nice peice..:)

You trying to say my products dont perform? ;)

Just messing with you.

EA
Yea I know...

Don't get me wrong not bashing TQ cells or any others.. I will try TQ cells.

I have used top team packs from Fusion, Promatch, SMC, and a few others only to find that there not matched as good as Axxis batteries. ;)

I got my tq cells last week and I ran my best times ever by 2 to 3 tenths per lap.

A new pack will do just that. You just cant beat a fresh new pack.

I charge my Fusion IB's with a fan on them.
Peak temps around 100F or less.
They consistently take 4200+ mah and peak voltage around 6.4 or so.
I don't have a CE charger so I can't double check my numbers. They run the same week in and week out.
I run in a very competitive class - 4300 brushless. 6 or 7 laps separates 24 drivers. I'm usually in the middle because of handling issues though not speed.

I am going to let one heat up next week and see what happens though. If it moves me from the "B" to back of the "A" I will change my methods.

CHARGING WITH A FAN ON THEM IS NOT SUCH A GOOD IDEA try the heating pad it works!

hey Kenny you will see this old farts packs sitting on a heating pad any time I am at the track!!!!!!!!!Hacksaw

CHARGING WITH A FAN ON THEM IS NOT SUCH A GOOD IDEA try the heating pad it works!

I have always subscribed to the theory that heat is what kills batteries.
The fan is not hurting them at all. What does the heating pad do for them that simply letting them heat up during charging does not do?

thefan causes un even temps across the cell they will have warm spots and cold spots the heating pad activates the chemicals inside the cells and gets things started! with out haveing to beat the battery up with a high amp rate or extra long lock outs

[QUOTE=EAMotorsports]Todd pretty much sumed it up and got his shameless plug in for his sponsor :thumbsup:. Seems he's the Michael Waltrip of RC!! LOL

...Not sure the Michael Waltrip analogy really fits...:confused:
He is notoroius for plugging sponsors since he can't get them adequate exposure by sitting on the pole,winning, etc..

We'd have to start losing poles and races for that analogy to be accurate...LOL:thumbsup:

[QUOTE=EAMotorsports]Todd pretty much sumed it up and got his shameless plug in for his sponsor :thumbsup:. Seems he's the Michael Waltrip of RC!! LOL

...Not sure the Michael Waltrip analogy really fits...:confused:
He is notoroius for plugging sponsors since he can't get them adequate exposure by sitting on the pole,winning, etc..

We'd have to start losing poles and races for that analogy to be accurate...LOL:thumbsup:

Thats true!! I just meant the part about plugging his sponsor's so well!!

EA

I have found Power Push cells to be the best I can get. I have no sponsors, and I have tried many of the different matchers cells. With no changes to the car I can get an extra .10 seconds per lap up front with my power push packs than I can with any other matchers cells, and some have better #'s than the power push's. Customer service is excellent, and Tony is great to deal with. just my 2 cents...