View Full Version : K&N - To close or Overhaul?
Danielle 02-07-2006, 11:28 AM The time is now! Do we close or make this last attempt?
Chad's serious & ready to take action but the lack of support & involvement from the racers is putting a BIG hesitation on his plan for action.
This track is so important to MANY people - I dont want to see it close...but fear its heading that way if people dont speak up NOW!
The time is now, spread the word - we NEED feedback, suggestions and ideas.
There are events coming up that deserve a shot....
The questions are WIDE; from
Keep it open?
Flat?
or stay banked?
new carpet...
painting ..lights...shades...
JUST overhaul the place.....
update & expand the hobby shop
New racers - increase the races/events
more events - monthly trophy events w/prizes!
Help us out so we dont lose K&N!
weee37 02-07-2006, 11:43 AM Tear out the banks and make it flat. :)
rickster58 02-07-2006, 12:36 PM I'm for banked for the reason that it makes it different and exciting. If it was flat you have to compete with all the flat tracks. It didn't lose popularity because of the banks. Time to rally! :thumbsup:
jonnycash 02-07-2006, 01:53 PM I think people want to see tightly run races... especially at big shows.
omnis85 02-07-2006, 04:37 PM I agree with john on that comment. but its all going to have to come from chad since he is the owner/director. Overhauling--this all depends on your pocket, its not up to the racers, we can help-(bull work) and suggestions are helpfull. I think you have enough to go by for whats needed there now. Is the carpet realy a big concern now since it would be the biggest expense. updating the paint,hobby shop and some playbacks or something, plus promotions would be a huge start. ALL this would not cost nearly as much as replacing the carpet with little to no down time. I know I look at the message board for upcoming events at my local hobby shop and here on hobbytalk. Try and get those out as much as possible--kind of like a reminder to plan ahead. I received a great envolope from chad for a free pass-thats what keeps people coming in. Also word of mouth from other racers is what also makes for a good turn out, how great or bad of a place is. Obviuolsy there is problems and they just need to be addressed as you go, cant do it all at once. the other suggestion to is if It cant be done in your reach see if someone else would consider taking it over, if the main intrest is keeping the place alive/open than this would have to be an option.
NHRCRACER 02-07-2006, 04:40 PM I personally think changing to a flat track is a huge mistake. Changing to a flat surface means a lot of money gets spent and, in the end, K/N is no different than any other track. The only reason I have ever gone to K/N is because it is a banked track. I know a flat track allows other forms of racing, but I just don't see those people flocking to K/N when they already have three other flat carpet tracks for touring cars and stadium and mini trucks in CT. In my opinion, K/N's biggest obstacle is that it is in the middle of nowhere. My suggestions:
> If at all possible, move the actual track and rebuild it in a better, more central location. Why not? The only good reason to stay is if the rent is incredibly cheaper at the present location than anywhere else. A new location might also allow a dirt oval or off-road track to be added which would keep money and people flowing in during the summer when most of us don't think about carpet oval.
> Improve the hobby shop. A new location should allow more traffic which would allow you to stock a wider range of RC products such as monster trucks and parts.
> Cater to the sportsman.
I used to love K/N and go there all the time. Now I live a little further away, have a wife and child and in general race about 75% less than I used to. I'm sure I'm not alone. I would hate to K/N close, but the only reason I don't go regularly is that it's in the middle of no where.
jonnycash 02-07-2006, 04:45 PM I don't think there is one particular thing that needs to be done. There is no magic spell that can make people come back. Like Ken said, word of mouth is the best advertising. People aren't going to show up, because there is fresh paint, they will come back if they hear people say " I had a great time racing at K/N".
The Jet 02-07-2006, 05:01 PM You need to be different, every track, flat or banked has the fastest line on the bottom.
MAKE A PROGRESSIVE BANKED TRACK, to allow actual side by side racing, that'll DRAW people, along with a nicely stocked hobby shop.
That's what I would do givin the chance.
Later, Bret
Danielle 02-07-2006, 06:33 PM Like I said on the other thread "overhaulin' K&N"
Im for keeping it banked. I dont think K&N needs any more competition its having a hard enough time as it is. For the people who DO show up weekly...they want it banked for the most part.... for those who want to change - I ask you - why not come show your support - so Chad sees the reason to change it to flat. What incentive does he have otherwise.... just typing the idea is great - but if you want him to meet your needs - should you give him some good faith as well?
I think what seems to be the major problem is that each person is unhappy for one reason or another. WHat we need to do about that is list all the reasons, and SOLVE them.....
Time, energy, creativity - it will all work. I have faith. I support Chad 100% and dont want to see him close K&N.
Im all for more events, more prizes, give aways, trophy events....more advertising, more talks - and getting the competition back at the track..to BRING THE THRILL BACK....
But my hopes arnt going to make K&N...its up to everyone to come together...
jmracing 02-07-2006, 06:59 PM Let me get bashed by writing this but hey i really dont mind.with Sandhills going flat after the Nationals i think K/N will need to if not go Flat drop the Banking to at least 1/2 of what it is now.their willing to go the mile in the next month or so.but theres not enough local support to pay the bills.and if you have 1 car and are on a budget why would you change your car for 1 weekend at K/N or keep it set up for a flat track and run more consistant and dialed in at other tracks.when your biggest race of the year is getting smaller and your looking at changes i think you may have to make a big aka " Flat Track" change.Flat tracks are making out okay i dont hear them saying they should go to a banked track.Snowbirds the LARGEST race of the year flat track Sandhills i see alot of great things written about it but talked to Mikes wife today and to make it their going FLAT track.remember if K/N goes flat track i think people may get mad but its either race flat or race at another track in the area which would be Flat also.Chad and Danielle are looking to move forward and that may mean a flat or 1/2 the banking they have now so the setup may be closer.and hes gotta decide this because he's gonna carpet the track.i feel racers from all around that used to ran there past present and future should post here for them and help them think of what best for the track and K/N.
Danielle 02-07-2006, 07:03 PM John I hear you - and dont totally disagree - but at the same point ITS EXPENSIVE - until Chad sees the reason (such as WEEKLY supporters) can you really advise him to spend the money? ANd how about peoples feeling that we should move the location? Honestly, help me John what do we suggest to Chad you know he is looking to mainly you and I - but I dont have the experience to comment. My instinct is to stay banked BUT Im open and supportive to whatever it takes to make K&N work....
Yes I see that there is NO $ here - and there hasnt been for long over a year....Chads been meeting the expenses - not at all the track..... and he prob never will meet the expenses with the track alone... I CAN HOPE it changes but dont know if it will....
Theres so much to consider and Im just not educated and sure enough to suggest things..... this is where the RACERS could really help him.....
jmracing 02-07-2006, 07:41 PM i wish EVERYONE would look at it as a business.You just said part of the answer to your own question.the money coming in from the track in the last year hasn't been enough and the change in new racers to racers quiting or leaving the hobby for other reasons hasnt i dont think increased alot.the fear i have for Chad is if he stays with the bank and recarpets the track and attendance doesnt pick up with all the other proposed changes what does he do then ?everyone has to remember its the 2 of you that are spending the $$$ not any of us.I like Brett"the Jet" Lunds idea
The Jet 02-07-2006, 07:51 PM i wish EVERYONE would look at it as a business.You just said part of the answer to your own question.the money coming in from the track in the last year hasn't been enough and the change in new racers to racers quiting or leaving the hobby for other reasons hasnt i dont think increased alot.the fear i have for Chad is if he stays with the bank and recarpets the track and attendance doesnt pick up with all the other proposed changes what does he do then ?everyone has to remember its the 2 of you that are spending the $$$ not any of us.I like Brett"the Jet" Lunds idea
Finally!!! LOL, someone agrees, LOL.
A progressive bank...Flat intialially(1 foot or so) then start a progressive bank.
EVERYONE'S setup will work now, flat trackers can run the bottom, bankers can run the banking, sounds good to me.
:thumbsup:
bologna 02-07-2006, 07:54 PM not being a local and a 4 plus hr drive one way i dont feel i have much to say on this topic but here are my quick thoughts.. i for one would not want to be a track owner in this day and age with the riseing cost of fuel and power..
back when i started racing in the mid to late 80s we ran dirt oval and that was it no racing in the winter.. then came the carpet but mostly oval in my local area.. now there are so many types of racing and so many classes that it has taken a small pool of rc racers and spread them very thin.. this is not cheap sport and with the money crunch most of us are feeling now its hard for guys who race now to come up with the cash just think of a new guy...
i have to say if it was me i would have a hard time putting money into a track and hope that would bring the racers back.. theres alot to be lost there if they dont show.. so i would think there are many ways to give it a jump start and things as far as promoting the track thay will be of little cost out of pocket.. this way if they come then you know your investment is for a reason and you wont loose out..
now if they dont show oh well and i wish you the best of luck.. i think main areas for now would be to stock the shop. ( if it dont move in the store unload it on ebay and your out little to nothing)
this winter is almost over and to do alot and expect results this winter is to much.. what i would do is get big races lined up now and get the word out.. email mail flyers and word of mouth get the word out and give the guys something to race for.. this way guys will have time to plan and your race dates will be out way before other tracks and just keep pounding your race dates everywhere you can..
this way if no one shows your out little money.. i would hate to see you guys foot this big bill and loose it all
bologna 02-07-2006, 07:55 PM best of luck
brock garis
bologna 02-07-2006, 08:05 PM not to get off topic but as far as my 1st post there is only one way i would open a track/shop is if i could do it like a track i went to when i was in the marines.. that is socal rc raceway in calli.. this place had a banked black top oval that could run touring cars also and they have a offroad track.. all this and the hobby shop under one roof and pits for over 100.. now this is in sothern calli so think of that rent payment but they race 5 out of 7 days a week and they had a nice hobby shop to boot.. now there was alot of shops out there and now most are gone but this one is still around.. why???? they have a great local following they are always open and they have a shop and race something for everyone
jonnycash 02-07-2006, 08:13 PM What is the advantage of going flat? Are touring car racers going to leave their track to come race at K/N. Now you have to stock those parts as well, in anticipation of them showing up. If you don't, and they do show up, they will be passing the word that there were no parts for their cars. I don't think there is anybody out there who doesn't want to race at K/N because it is to challenging. There has been many racers there over and over with the track the way it is. New carpet may attract a few people at first, the goal should be to keep them coming back. In order to that in needs to be run like a business. Which means the track owner needs to devote his time to the racers and keep people happy, not RACING. Let's do the math... Nick was successful-never raced... Chris Marcy is successful-never races. You can say it is a coinsidence, but in my head 2+2 always equals 4. Don't get me wrong, thats not the only reason for the decreased attendance, but if I have to go through them all, you would be better off going to school for business, much of it is elementary. Don't take this the wrong way, it is purely intended as constructive critisism. I want to see this track flourish as much as the next guy, but like I said before, there is no one thing that can be done to make everyone come back. If you expect a change will bring people back in any less than 2 years, you are sadly mistaken. You need to be in it for the long haul. Reputation is the only thing that will draw in crowds. K/N needs the reputation it had when Nick ran it, and it was easier for him because he started from 0 not a negative number, if you know what I mean. He had insentive, a lot of money invested that he didn't want to lose. Maybe the new carpet will be a hard enough hit in the wallet for chad to shape up, and get rid of the reputation he was left with from previous owners. I hope I have helped, even just a little. - Jon Anderson
omnis85 02-07-2006, 08:31 PM Wow --valid points. I guess I should have waited for this thread to start before I had said anything at all, when I broke the cardinal rule before. Now its being asked instead of just saying whats on your mind. oh and progressive banking would be cool.
jmracing 02-07-2006, 09:03 PM okay how about crank all the updates out finish off what needs to be done slap down new carpet"everyone says it needs it" PROMOTE K/N as the east coast LARGEST and FASTEST banked oval.help Chad get a Crew together to help call the races ,Danielle will run the Updated hobbyshop,and do award handouts the way they should be by recognizing the racers,and for the WinterBlast and other big races offer $$$ prizes and trophies.i'll even match the cash prizes he offers.i'll Drop all the Flat track talk i do if after Chad and Danielle do what they say and things are what they should be people start showing up and support him by racing there.we all know talking doesnt pay bills the register with money in it does.i just thought its easier to race on a flat track and if we wanna see younger racers getting into it the banks are tough.does this post sound better???????
Tommygun43 02-07-2006, 09:28 PM Just curious...whats with k/n needing carpet? Weren't new track records set at the blast? Just wondering if its getting ripped or what. Seems like a waste of money.Progressive banking...awsome idea. I think there may be a problem with room though. The track/corners might need to be wider for that.
I don't like being negative on here but k/n's track isn't realistic, it's like 2 drag strips. No passing in the turns, no side by side racing. Other tracks have upped the ante, k/n hasn't changed in years. Sorry thats the way I see it.
St. Roch's track is awsome, one of the best, I really think if there was something like that around they would do well, as long as it was managed/promoted well.
http://www.grcsr.com/images/piste.jpg
check out the video: http://www.grcsr.com/videoclips.asp
and ya i know a track isn't cheap to build
good luck
jmracing 02-07-2006, 09:40 PM track records were broke but the carpet is shot and could use a changeing.if the banks were dropped a foot or 2 would that over better racing thru the corner?maybe just lowering it alittle still a bank but just above flat.just a thought.i'll be at glens falls on the 18th i got the fliers and left them at K/N but mailed mine in already.
Tommygun43 02-07-2006, 09:54 PM not sure if getting rid of the banks would make racing better but I think they would get a better turnout if the banks were gone or less at least. People don't like changing there setup so much to race 1 track.
jmracing 02-07-2006, 09:59 PM thanks Tommygun
jonnycash 02-07-2006, 10:24 PM banked or not... very small facet to what needs to be done. I'm not arguing what is better, I'm just saying, either way, it needs to be run like a business. Making it flat isn't going to magically bring people in. It may help, but Chad needs to be diligent on building a reputation. Everyone needs to have the impression that Chad is the greatest guy in the world. He needs to portray that to people. Whether he is or isn't doesn't matter. Each individual needs to leave there with the impression that they are just as important as the big named sponsored drivers, and have fun, no matter how poorly or well they did that day. Thats how the company I work for has become one of the most successful in the state. The owner and myself do our best to be a nice guy and make each customer feel like they are the only one we have. The 2 of us are not that nice of people, but in the customers eyes we can do no wrong. It takes a lot of biting your tounge, and bending over backwards for them. None of it is fun, but the long term efects are priceless.
jmracing 02-07-2006, 10:32 PM The more you talk to Chad and Danielle thats what there working towards.If the get the help from everone and with the effort it looks like their gonna do i can see it getting better.rememeber you gotta crawl before you walk i'll be up the Wed. night.i for 1 can promise you'll see some changes by the N.O.E.T race on the 19th
Danielle 02-07-2006, 10:38 PM Whats more appealing a challenge or the same old.. I can understand having an extra car or needing to make drastic (and possibly costly) changes just to be at K&N is NOT practical - but who doesnt enjoy the competition and challenge? Thats my personal question I guess.
I dont doubt that a flat track wouldnt help the standing of K&N but in all honesty - if just doing the carpet is OVER 2k - verses redoing the bank/flat being OVER 6K - yet having NO guarentees as to whether (NO OFFENSE) any of you will show and continue to show after the change...
It seems to me Chad taking a risk and trying is like a starting point... he steps in - takes a chance and overtime (not within any time frame per say) but overtime he watches who really comes through - and shows continued support - then goes from there.
What I mean here is he makes the initial changes weve been discussing (carpet, paint, appearance, music, event promotions, mailers, coupons, MONTHLY trophy events, prizes, give aways, scheduling more events, address the hobby shop, BEING PRESENT, etc.)
The banks cannot be (from what was explained to me) lowered or changed - its much more complicated than that (so I hear because again Im totally off my grounds here LOL).
I think the BOTTOM line is this... do you all want chad to make a go at this? FLAT OUT THATS THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION. Is it worth a SHOT for Chad to invest saving, energy & time into K&N - because at this point HE'S ready. He has a pushy wife-to-be(lol - me) backing him, supporting him and forcing him to raise the standards - he has a great group of 10+ serious friends willing to come in and TRULY help him in multiple aspects... and we have a fairly long list of things to work on...truly change and resolve clearing the way so K&N can be what we all hope for.
So its simple (sad but simple) Yes or No?
Danielle 02-07-2006, 10:49 PM John are you okay? I love you regardless of your opinions.......... you dont have to sugar coat how you feel about the flat verses banked just for me... LOL
I respect your opinion and anyones opinion - i can handle the answers - thats why I asked how everyone felt. We can not agree and still make K&N work....
Im just looking at the fact that Chads ready to dish some serious money out and I think the bottom line is do people want HIM to do that.....or should he just throw the towel in...rather than ..."throwin flags"....
jmracing 02-07-2006, 10:50 PM my error i thought awhile back talking to Chad he said you could lower the corners from under the track since you can't and thats gonna talk a helluva lot of work to flatten it i say keep the bank add new carpet make the changes and show off the" NEW" K/N Rcspeedway.either you or Chad call me if you can by 10:15 tonight if you can.
Danielle 02-07-2006, 10:53 PM Whats your number - Am I calling you at "RONALDS" thats what the caller ID says...
rickster58 02-07-2006, 11:04 PM What Johnnycash is saying has a some real truth to it. I've already said a lot, but before I add anything to what I've already posted let me say this. Chad is a great guy, his wife to be Danielle is a wicked nice girl also. When you are at the track Chad's the man when it comes to announcing races, helping beginners, giving stuff to people when they need it, lending out his own personal equipment when necessary etc etc. So one would ask, "well why is the track dying?" It was not Chad's persona or lack of interest in the new customers, it was his inability to maintain regular hours, show up on time and some other logistical stuff, compounded by the store , the rug, the banks, etc etc.
That said, this is a different day, a different Chad, and he now has someone responsible, smart, and MOTIVATED, to help him. Lets not throw out the baby with the bathwater. I am speaking as a newcomer to oval. I have been coming on a weekly basis for almost a year. Never once did I go home and say "that damn carpet", or "darn banks are too high", or "Chad's a jerk", but I did go home really p' d off saying "noone showed up to open", and "the spring post tool that I ordered never came in", or I needed tires and the ones I needed were nowhere to be found, etc.
Yes the store needs "some" stuff, and will get "more" stuff after it starts selling stuff on a regular basis again. Some new merchandise is already in stock and more is coming. That's a work already in progress.
The track could easily be lowered a few feet while the carpet is being put down. At least you wouldn't have to start from scratch. The back stretch could even be pushed out in the center to make a tri-oval at the loss of some pit space. All or some of this can be done, just needs and executive descision. I'll be there tools and all ready and waiting.
The atmosphere could be improved by better lighting and sound. I know we can find some bargins on that kind of equipment, that's what I do. I'll lend some equipment and find inexpensive alternatives for the rest.
Paint is available for little or no cost to the track, just needs some willing hands to apply it, sign me up.
Oh and a little thing I almost forgot, you have to be there when you are supposed to be open, hmmm, any of you that have talked to Danielle know that she means business when it comes to this issue. So consider that part of the deal already changed.
Seems to me that other than the track's carpet/bank issue, we are at the doorway to a new K&N. Will it be the new utopian track of the future, catering to every racers' deepest desires.... of course not! No track can do that. But it can change enough to suit enough of a crowd to make money, and survive. It can become "the place" to race oval once again.
We have probablly talked way too much about it. Myself included!
To quote Chad "Let's get this party started!" :hat:
Rick<><
Danielle 02-07-2006, 11:28 PM Thanks Rick I think that was a great post.
On another note, as i sit here folding & preparing the newsletters, calendars, coupons etc - I fear I may not have many of you on the mailing list. If you want to be sure youre on it - email me or drop a line including either your email and/or your physical address. Thanks all!
omnis85 02-08-2006, 12:27 AM I wish I could get this much interest or even a little about this hobby from my wife but no all she sees is $$$$$$ not the fun part. I get Ogeezz another frigin car-you dont need all this stuff. Or even better I get a call atleast twice a week--package came in for you. lol
highroller 02-08-2006, 03:31 AM I'm one of those that for a number of reasons have been unable to return to K&N for some racing. What did make it exciting racing there was a number of reasons, one that it was not like the other tracks in RI, MA, NH and ME, K&N was unique from all the others.
The is no one solution as to why K&N is seeing a decrease in turnout, many are getting out because of cost, burnout or curtailing becuase of other obligations. Influx of new hobbyists again is becuase of cost or lack of being able to compete.
Changing track layout may bring in a few more racers, but for a short period.
I went to the blast and it was the first time back in in a year. its a two hour drive plus the track I race at ie 15 min away. but being back at the blast was so much fun raceing on the bank. if I live closer i would be there all the time. all I can say the hobby shop should be a little better. I think if chad was there more it would help he funny and a nice guy. he calls a good race. I hope to be back at the next big race If I don't have to work.
best of luck
Danielle 02-08-2006, 09:22 AM I for one personally want to see everyone enjoy themselves at every event large or small. Thats a top priority in my eyes... this would include having the things they need at the shop/track. In addition having Chad around to help them, talk to them and keep the crowd laughing.
I realize many people who have a lot of travel to do just to get to K&N are fitting a large bill. We thank you for coming & showing your support.
Lately, at many large events we dont always get see the far-away crowds. I Would LOVE To get them back. Im hoping we do see you all in the near future either at the NEOT 3/19 - which is also Chads 30th LOL!!!!!! or the Spring Sizzler on 4/30. Ive looked into some inexpensive lodging nearby that was missed in the past. I would gladly help those needing special accomidations find them when needed.
Tonights the big meeting, making a plan and reviewing the list. If you want to add any thoughts before then drop them down on the thread or email me. We aren't closing this thread for the record either - but we feel between the 3-4 threads we have enough to at least GET started.....but by all means keep the thoughts flowing.
Thanks for your time & involvement everyone.
Hope to see you at some upcoming events! Danielle
jonnycash 02-08-2006, 10:51 AM I wish I could get this much interest or even a little about this hobby from my wife but no all she sees is $$$$$$ not the fun part. I get Ogeezz another frigin car-you dont need all this stuff. Or even better I get a call atleast twice a week--package came in for you. lol
I got lucky! I met mine at the track while she was racing. I still hear the same things though. You need another car... How many batteries do you need? It's just a women's thing to break our balls, whether they are into it or not.
Danielle 02-08-2006, 10:55 AM For me - I just support Chad and want him to reach his goals & be happy. Part of being his partner is making all the efforts to keeping him happy... HOWEVER, in all honesty, Im lucky other than for the track Chad spends next to nothing on himself. Dont get me wrong what he spends on the track 2-3K per month is enough - LOL but its not just for him...its for K&N and the racers so its like a get outta jail free pass..... and Im not dumb....Im sure he sneaks in things he needs without me knowing - and thats fine.....LOL
Believe me I give him enough headache to even it all out.. LOL. I love to fish - I have over 7k in tackel so me coming down on him could turn around and bite me - I respect his interests, his goals & his choices and he respects mine.
As long as we all are enjoying ourselves thats all that matters.....
Take care guys! Talk to you soon!
NHRCRACER 02-08-2006, 11:00 AM This might already have been addressed, but why is there a call for new carpet? I haven't been to K/N for probably over a year, so I admit that I do not know of the carpet's condition, but if records are being broken then the carpet can't be too bad. I imagine new carpet costs thousands of dollars. I would hold off on spending the money.
Danielle 02-08-2006, 11:08 AM Chad extended an offer to the SK's - if you want to hear the details email me - I also sent them to Jon & Ken to forward on. - Danielle
Danielle 02-08-2006, 11:11 AM New carpet is needed because the present carpet is over 10 years old. Its got many worn spots - etc.
Its needed, I mean yes it could wait a few more months - but who will see how serious Chad is unless he takes all steps to improve K&N. In all honesty it will prob get done in March/APril but my vote is in for ASAP.
LOL
Danielle 02-08-2006, 11:13 AM Yes records are still being broken and Im even thinking of making a special trophy event for those...(gotta talk to the main man though - the boss - LOL)....
Its a fast track.... improving it with new carpet - I would assume would only improve the records..... ??... I for one would like to find out!
Danielle 02-08-2006, 11:21 AM Chad wants everyone to know if he places new carpet it will be ozite or ozite 2 (sorry if I spelled it wrong)... thus solving the tire concerns. :thumbsup:
Jim Rufiange 02-08-2006, 11:47 AM What tire concerns are there? I hate to say it, but if you have raced a track with loop carpet, then raced the same track with ozite, you may not like the results. Ozite has less bite and wears out MUCH faster. You don't see ozite on a banked track lasting very long. I don't have the opportunity, unfortunately, to race there anymore since I moved to NC.
From what I hear, the carpet is definetly in need of replacing. That carpet has been down since at least the 1992/1993 season. Talk about getting your monies worth! Nick picked a good one. I would take a sample of what is down now and find a replacement. The track would just get faster and faster. It will also stay consistent like it does now. You will NEVER get that on ozite. Mid week practice will be meaningless because of how the surface changes day to day.
Like it or not, the hobby shop has to be the first choice for your racers. Believe me, I know what the margins are on parts and it is scary. Certain 'big basement' online shops are making it nearly impossible for real, walk-in stores to compete. But, you have to have the stuff to build any feelings of loyalty.
I hope y'all commit to it and the track survives and flourishes again. I would love to have the opportunity to race there again.
Danielle 02-08-2006, 05:13 PM I dont know the exact issues with the tires/carpet - Chad mentioned people are asking for the Ozite because they feel like they have to change their tires to race at places that dont have the Ozite - Ask Chad he will be able to better answer this....
But after hearing that the Ozite wears much faster & has more problems maybe the carpet subject should be tossed around a bit more before he decides....
omnis85 02-08-2006, 05:25 PM Very very true on the online buying deals we all know this. Because this hobby is so frigin expensive to play around with and if you want to go fast it will cost you without question. Most if not buy on the internet because its cheaper than walking in and buying it, granted if we need something--at the track we would buy. Maybe Part of the reason why the shop was good back in the day because there realy was no online hobby shops unlike today, more and more are poping up. People will buy from someone even if its a few dollars cheaper-something to think about when rebuilding the hobbyshop is to match or even beat the cost online IF at all possible. Just because you rebuild does not mean you are going to sell it all.I am sure chad has things hes been siting on forawhile now. Maybe even start something online as far as selling--like ebay or hobbytalk, raise money from old stock-be surprised what people want. Replacing the carpet is not going to mean that your that serious--staying open with regular hours on a constant bassis will tell everyone you are seriuos. but judging from what your talking about and chad saying--its already seriuos. Ken K
omnis85 02-08-2006, 05:35 PM I got lucky! I met mine at the track while she was racing. I still hear the same things though. You need another car... How many batteries do you need? It's just a women's thing to break our balls, whether they are into it or not.
Yes you did my freind--that is rare to see. She gets so pissed on the stand when something happens, its like you can read her mind-you beep beep beep---its too funny and tuff to pass, and from what I was told she sees alot of money everyday--just tell her to put some gum on the cameras and take a few thou--lol Hopefully I will see you guys this sat--I am going to test out the "contraption" if steve doesnt bitch about it. and yes I to remember the BUS--now that is back in the day. I think he still has it.
Danielle 02-09-2006, 12:11 AM :wave:
For those interested ............after the meeting tonight we will begin the overhaul at K&N starting on March 4th and finish up by the 9th - everything BUT the carpet will be completed at that point. Carpet will come after NEOT...if possible before Spring Sizzler - but it may not be - we still have to talk to Steve. We hope to get the carpet by the latest - this spring...
K&N will NOT close for these dates - however we will close off sections for painting, repair, change, etc - and restrict those areas to people. We will do 1 to 2 sections at a time - thus allowing those who wish to continue and practice/race without too much inconvenience.
With this news if you're willing to help PLEASE email me - we can feed those who volunteer and will forever appreciate your gift of time & energy! :wave:
TEAMHAWHAW 02-09-2006, 05:31 PM As Danielle reported weve made some steps to starting the changes at K&N. Danielles got a list of things to do - and some of you have voluntered to help her - THANK YOU Very much, I appreciate it.
Does anyone have any questions for me?
TEAMHAWHAW 02-09-2006, 11:07 PM Where are the regulars? I still need some help with the overhaul. Who can help?
Chad
Still throwin flags!
jmracing 02-10-2006, 12:15 AM helloooooo i'm here
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