When a track has certain class rules for a division then its "not" up to the other classes to judge if its fair or not !
If all the racers in that division are on the same page and have an equal chance then thats all that matters!
Too many racers spend more time complaining than being thankfull that they even have a place to race.
Support your local club track !
Do what you can to help out!
Get involved in man hours spent!

Don't assume they'll always be there if you just come and race and never lift a hand!

I'm sure most racers understand this

Its all supposed to be for fun ! :thumbsup:

Thanks for your time

R.S.

Yes this is true. I think respect is the word you are looking for. People tend to think well since I paid I dont have to do any of that. But supporting your local track and hobby shop is important if you want to continue to race at a convient place instead of traveling. For and example our track is a lay out track, if the track doesnt get rolled out than you dont race simple as that. We have a bunch of close guys and girl that race together and are pretty good about getting stuff done or contribute things, few weeks ago a racer went on his own and made tshirts for our club. pretty cool of him. Things like this make it a fun place to race instead of going to a place and feeling the pressure of the BS whos fast and who sucks. Why is there always a question of corner marshals. you race you corner. just my thoughts

Thanks for the reply ,

Respect is the ultimate word , too many racers come and race and want either to do NOTHING or they want to take over and change everything.

Local clubs ----stand up for your family fun rules ! Don't let the lap-top ,computer dyno mumbo jumbo racers run the show.

Let them race in their own class but don't put much emphasis on it.

Just my opinion

R.S.

awesome thread keep it coming!!!!!!!!!!

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the best way i have seen tracks keep the complaining down is to follow a sanctioning bodies guide lines... If everyone from track to track runs the same rules there should be no fuss..

We run roar/arcor rules here.. all the racers know the rules and thats that.. I havent heard a complaints in a long time..

Fun classes are a little different. follow the sanctioning rules were they pertain, but make you class rules as well..

This next comment still goes with the original thread topic -------

The RC sport is going thru MAJOR changes at this time and unfortunately is at an all time high for costs involved to race " you can thank the battery manufacturers mostly for this " , one has to have hundreds ! of dollars in batterys themselves just to compete , not to speak of the battery maintainance equipment.

Most of the major battery matchers no longer offer 3300 or 3700 gp cells.

When a sport peaks cost wise as bad as it has its time to look at more fun oriented classes !

Racers joke and laugh at spec racing --BUT thats the racers that are having the most FUN.

We're strongly considering a spec class at our local track and will mandate the motor , battery , gear ratio, tires , ect , with the racer buying the motor from the track and leaving it there every week.
Each motor will be put into one big box and when you come race next week you randomly pick a motor out of the box "blindly" and race that motor.
No dynoing or testing at home on a work bench

I personnally think Its absolutly ridiculus when these tracks have a big race and have hand out motors that the racers can take them back to their Hotel rooms to wrench on for the next days race.
That doesn't make sense at all.

Bottom Line --The lower cost classes will be around far longer than any other high-end ones

Rodney S.

We have a SPEC class at my local track and it is in my opinion the most fun. Spec motor, tires and battery. Not just any SPec motor though its that Trinity 21t spec.
After about 1 minute into the race you hold the thing wide open all the way around the track. If you don't take the right line somebody is gonna get by you! It's a blast!

I also race in the 4300 brushless class. That is all about chassis and driver. Batteries are not that big of a deal but we do race 3800's or 3700's. Usually 20+ drivers in this class and only 1 or 2 tenths lap times between 1st and 20th.

I totally agree though, the cheaper classes are more fun.
I like the "Box Stock" motor idea.

A spec type class is where you get the new drivers interested in the hobby with lower costs to get them in. There's only a couple things wrong with the statement to mandate a gear ratio, all motors have a differant power band and it might not be much but 2 of the same motor type and brand wil not always preform at the same level of power/rpm so a locked gear ratio will not be far to all. Secondly as tires wear the ratio must change to maintain that motor in the right "sweet spot". Leaving the motor at the track is not a good thing in my opinion because the racer can do his maintance at home giving him more track time to learn setups and hone his driving skills. Also leaving the motor in a "pool" of motors isn't the best thing because if a racer doesn't know what he is doing he can ruin a motor and get somebody else's motor the next week, and how about the guy that takes care of the motor and gets that piece of crap that was ruined the week before.
Well when tracks have big races handout motors are marked by the track (in most cases) you really can't do too much to a marked motor that a good race offical can detect, best example is the snowbirds.This next comment still goes with the original thread topic -------
We're strongly considering a spec class at our local track and will mandate the motor , battery , gear ratio, tires , ect , with the racer buying the motor from the track and leaving it there every week.
Each motor will be put into one big box and when you come race next week you randomly pick a motor out of the box "blindly" and race that motor.
No dynoing or testing at home on a work bench

I personnally think Its absolutly ridiculus when these tracks have a big race and have hand out motors that the racers can take them back to their Hotel rooms to wrench on for the next days race.
That doesn't make sense at all.

Bottom Line --The lower cost classes will be around far longer than any other high-end ones

Rodney S.

A racer does not usually take the motor back to there rooms.. A good tuner can do it rght there in minutes at the track.. they also have to pass tech.. which means no monkey business..

there is a big misconception to tuning a stock motor.. there really is no trick to it.. find a way that works good for you nd use it all the time.. I never do maintinance at home.. Your chassis setup is the key to everything.. i can have the worst motor out of the bunch, but if my car works the best its going to be faster..

So will there be rules on cutting the comm with the stay at trackl motors?? What happens when a motor gets cut down to far?? It wont perform as well after that.. having an assigned motor to each racer will keep them from taking advantage, or abusing the motor.. scribe a number on the can and on the arm..


batteries are not that expensive, and they have not peaked.. go back about 6-8 years ago when 1700's and 2000's were the ticket.. batteries were alot more expensive then then they are now.. The best part now is everyone, i mean everyone has access to high number packs.. cost is very close as well..

spec classes are fun, but you cant strangle the racers with rules, eventually they just find a new place to race.. Yes i agree cost have gone up.. but so has everything else in the world.. inflation attacks everything..

I also think the higher end classes will be here long after spec classes.. To many racers do this hobby for the high end competition.. if you look at races across the country, the spec classes are generally thinner then the open classes..everything goes up in price. ive been racing for 18 years, and i can not ever remeber it being cheap.. even spec classes are expensive..

Id take a vote at your track.. or put together a ballot and have the racers vote.. take the info recieved, and go with that.. I know at our track whenever something new comes out, or isnt considered aproved yet we vote on weather or not to allow it...It works good... Brushless class has become a huge equalizer as far as motors go,, the only problem is the speed is alot faster then the spec classes.. I wish novak would come out with a motor that really is close to a stock motor.. this would help everything so much..

Can you explain the 4300 brushless deal ?
I'm not up on brushless at all , how does this compare to a decent 19 turn brushed motor on 4 cells?

R.S.

The Novak 4300 is supposed to be comparable to a stock motor. But as I understand it they are closer to a 19t. I never raced 19t in a pancar so I do not have hands on experience with 19t.
The only reason I bought a pancar this year (now I own 2 L4's) is because of Brushless.
1. Absolutely no messing with the motor's. Because there is nothing to mess with. I know guys that have not taken their motor out of their car for MONTHS!! Myself included!
2. The motors are so much alike out of a batch of 100's you would not believe it. If you want proof check out the thread about 4300 brushless race at Allen's last weekend. It was sponsored by Novak. Everyone there ran the 4300 motor. And nobody complained that they had a dud motor out of 94 entries!
3. You spend time between races working on your chassis setup or bench racin' with your friends. Not trueing your comm or changing brushes and springs and whatnot.
4. They playing field is so level it's unbelievable.
It is maybe a little more expensive right off the bat. But after you spend the initial $175 or so for a motor and controller you won't be buying anymore motors or brushes or a dyno or a comm lathe. Add those up and you'll see why it can be cheaper to go brushless.
I see no reason why you couldn't go with spec tires and batteries with these and make this a very reasonable class to have fun in and still go fast.


check out these links:
http://www.allensrccars.com/Novak_Results.htm
http://www.hobbytalk.com/bbs1/showthread.php?t=128884&page=1