Who says Cup cars and our cars don't relate. How many of the big cars have wings on the back of their cars...Well boys there it is...check it out. Car of Tomorrow is testing with this on their cars.http://jayski.com/schemes/misc/COT-wing-daytona06.jpg

i seen this on their site yesterday the next gen. car looks like a touring car hope they go back to the drawing board

can't wait for a big lexan buds wing on a cup car

WOW, I,d like to see them mount some of the old style NDRA Dirt Latemodel lexan side panels and cattle catcher noses on the Cup cars. Then take New Hampshire and those other two roadcourses grind them into 1/2 mile ovals and dump some sticky Georgia clay and calcium on them..........maybe Goodyear can make some more of them dirt Humper tires they had too :thumbsup:

Todays nascar stand for ... Not A Stinking Clue About Racing :devil: The story reads that the car of the future may debut as early as 2007.

That new WindTunnel HDX body is right on with the future of NASCAR racing!!! ;)

What the heck is that thing? I hope our cars never look like that!!!

From what i was told NASCAR has gotten so off track that the MFgrs have stopped with helping develop the CAr of Tomorrow.... See what happens now....

BIlly

NASF1CAR

Wow - that's just plain nasty! Reminds me of the girl in the Georgia Satellites music video for: " She Ain't Pretty - She Just Looks That Way." It'll be a sad day when they become NASCAR mandatory.
As far as PROTOform is concerned: it'll be a cold day in "that place we're all avoiding" before I do a lexan version of that thing.
Looks like its coming for sure in 2007:
http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/13638720.htm

Dale

ps: NitroWolf, I like your definition for "NASCAR." lol

I agree with nitrowolf about nascar, not a stinking clue.

to be honest... looks like NASCAR is trying to grab onto the younger "ricer" generation..... they're forgetting a LOT of other people when they do this.... it looks like a bad car from that stupid FAST AND FURIOUS movie...
Soon, there will be HUUUUUGE rims and low profile tires, and ground effect lighting on the cup cars at night. then, they will tint all the "glass" and .....

You see my point..... THUMBS DOWN ON THE CAR OF TOMORROW!

i wonder what the king said when they went from the box stock car to the current cars....

Here's a few photos of the NASCAR's "Car of Tomorrow". Excuse my while I take a swig of Pepto-Bismol.
http://www.racingone.com/slideshow.asp?ssid=862

Dale - PROTOform :drunk:

Actualy i would like ot see the wing run then we can bet on how much height they would get when spinning out.....lol.....

guess they forgot about the basic principle of flight.....lol


Billy

man, that car put the UG in UGLY!!!

Is that Rick Talbot on the right side of the picture?

http://www.racingone.com/images/sspics/hires/1288b.jpg


Adam Liehr :dude:

I dont know...paint it red...put some budweiser decals on it............hehehehehehe

YEah Adam thats him...lol.... if you watch Speed at 7pm you will see him on TV too....
Seen him a couple times last week and this weekend..... he keeps gettign tha much TV time and he will have to start wearing make-up....lol....


BIlly

HA HA ..... We got ourselves another celebrity in the r/c oval industry!

1. Tony Stewart
2. Frank Polimeda
3. Rick Talbot


The list is growing. Who will be next?

Adam Liehr :dude:

At the end of last season when they first started testing the COT, one of the test drivers, (I can't remember who it was) said it was like driving a '55 Chevy at todays high speeds! I was against the use of common templates when they first announced their use. Now they are mandating a whole car body to be used. Next it will be engines and drive trains! Might as well just take the IROC crew and make it a 36 race schedule! Not for me!!

I have to agree! the IROC concept is not what I want to watch every sunday,Oh well nascar had it's day.

Well I have to agree that the wing on this new car is pretty stupid looking but from what i have heard around nascar country is that they put that thing on there for testing purposes only to try and get some input on what the new car likes and needs to handle liek they want it to. NO certain plans on leaving it on there yet but they did say it is alot lighter than what they have on there now. The way all the teams and manufactures have responed, I dont see how they could keep it.

Hey I guess no one as a problem with the touring car style spliter on the front end ? thats nothing like a stock car thats for sure.

Spec engine? lol funny cause they have been working the next generation fuel injection engine for the cup cars for a while now. Thats gonna take a lil more tuning out of it.

Hey I guess no one as a problem with the touring car style spliter on the front end ? thats nothing like a stock car thats for sure.



heh... i decided not to even begin to comment fully on the front end..... it looks totally..... NOT RIGHT!.... Meh... i dont like the way NASCAR is going about this whole thing....

-tone

You know how this stuff goes though,money is the ultimate factor,the fans will be the ones to decide weather this crap will work,quit going to the races and quit watching it on TV and they will get the message.

All this body crap started when back in the '80s some teams started crying about the other guys having an aerodynamic advantage. Let 'em cry! I say NASCAR should go back to making the teams use "Bodies in white" from the manufacturer. They would be "dirtier" aerodynamically, slow the cars down and that would also solve the restrictor plate issue!

I say NASCAR should go back to making the teams use "Bodies in white" from the manufacturer.
Amen!!!!!
I think the steepest part of the downhill slide that NASCAR is on was the network TV coverage. It all satarted there for me.

Spec engine? lol funny cause they have been working the next generation fuel injection engine for the cup cars for a while now. Thats gonna take a lil more tuning out of it.I know the ASA series cars had a sort of "Spec" engine rule. As far as I remember,they used a crate Corvette motor (probably specially modded by GM) w/ASA handout black boxes for the Fuel Injection controls (given out on raceday & given back afterwards) so the teams wouldn't do any tuning or reprogramming in the pits or garage. Maybe that's what NASCAR is going towards in the near future??
-George

I know the ASA series cars had a sort of "Spec" engine rule. As far as I remember,they used a crate Corvette motor (probably specially modded by GM) w/ASA handout black boxes for the Fuel Injection controls (given out on raceday & given back afterwards) so the teams wouldn't do any tuning or reprogramming in the pits or garage. Maybe that's what NASCAR is going towards in the near future??
-George

And look how well it is working in ASA. It made the National Series disappear.

As far as PROTOform is concerned: it'll be a cold day in "that place we're all avoiding" before I do a lexan version of that thing.

Just think of how much money PROTOform will save in having you make new molds! We'll all be racing 2006 bodies in 2010. Hopefully you'll stay employed to sculpt IndyCar and ALMS bodies for us?!

chad :cool:

I've never been much a Dale Jarrett fan, but he seems to have some wisdom regarding the proposed "Car of Tomorrow" deal and NASCAR's desire for better racing.
Man, I sure do with the other Dale was still around, to straighten out Helton, Darby and Nelson in their thinking. I just couldn't imagine him wanting to drive that sad excuse for a stock car, especially with that gay looking "tuner wing" on it.
http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/nascar/21604/

PROTOform Dale :drunk:

I've never been much a Dale Jarrett fan, but he seems to have some wisdom regarding the proposed "Car of Tomorrow" deal and NASCAR's desire for better racing.
Man, I sure do with the other Dale was still around, to straighten out Helton, Darby and Nelson in their thinking. I just couldn't imagine him wanting to drive that sad excuse for a stock car, especially with that gay looking "tuner wing" on it.
http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/nascar/21604/

PROTOform Dale :drunk:
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Wow, Just like going from 6 cell to 4 cell!

Doug P

And look how well it is working in ASA. It made the National Series disappear.

ASA didn't disappear because of the sealed FI motors.It was due to poor management.

Some News on the COT: NASCAR announced in January that the car of tomorrow would be used in Nextel Cup competition beginning in the spring of 2007 at Bristol Motor Speedway, and that it would be phased in over three years. It will be in 16 of 36 races next year. Brian France, the chairman and chief executive of NASCAR, led the pitch for the concept, which became a priority after the racetrack deaths of Dale Earnhardt and others. The new car will be two inches taller and four inches wider. It is hoped that the design, which gives more space to the driver, will improve the quality of races by removing some of the dependence on aerodynamics that has taken some of the competition out of the drivers' hands and turned stock-car racing into more of a sport of engineers. The new racecar will eliminate the designs of individual manufacturers from Ford, Chevrolet, Dodge and, next year's addition, Toyota. All cars will be virtually identical except for the fake grill that differentiates the models. NASCAR officials say the car will control costs because there will be no need to build as many racecars to fit different tracks on the circuit. Some teams have as many as 17 racecars for use at various tracks; they will need perhaps only 10 in the future because there will be so few adjustments allowed from car to car, according to Gary Nelson, who recently resigned as NASCAR's vice president for research and development but will remain involved with the development of the car. NASCAR figures that by phasing in the changes over three years, the current equipment will not become immediately obsolete. Teams can use up their inventory along the way. NASCAR officials say they are still experimenting and that researchers are years away from finding the right specifications for the midsize 1½-mile ovals, which is why the car of tomorrow will not be used at those tracks until 2009.(in part from the New York Times...past news and images on my COT Page)(3-4-2006)

Wow - who would have ever thought that the ARCA Series will be more interesting to watch than the NEXTEL CUP series? Looks like in 2009 it just might be. How sad.

Dale Epp :cry:

some more pics of the cars.....just doesn't seem right
http://www.jayski.com/teams/car-future.htm

many of the templates used today, are already interchangeable.
while the cars will look different, the idea of common templates
isn't new to present day stock cars.

many of the templates used today, are already interchangeable.
while the cars will look different, the idea of common templates
isn't new to present day stock cars.

Time worp!!
It would be cool again if Nascar ran real cars that can be found at your local car lot.
I wonder which manufacture would win today total stock?? ;)

Bob Dillner writes:
Car of Yesterday? – The over-hyped “Car of Tomorrow” and the issues surrounding it have a lot of people ticked off in the garage area right now. In fact, there’s a bunch of people hoping it becomes the “Car of Yesterday” and that may not be a bad thing. In fact, the future of the car was certainly in question after Gary Nelson’s (was in charge of NASCAR R&D and the “Car of Tomorrow) sudden departure from NASCAR. Wait a second, didn’t I say I was going to be positive here. Seriously, NASCAR, including Nelson, Brett Bodine and Steve Petersen, have done a lot of great work here, but the bottom line is after a lot of time and a lot of money, the car is still nowhere near ready for on-track. And the word on the street is that NASCAR wants teams to test the car on Mondays after several Cup races this year, starting off with Bristol later this month. Where are all these cost savings that were bragged about?

Still hoping the idea simply dies. - Dale

Don't fix the cars, fix the tracks!!!! Daytona and Talladega could knock the banking down.Reduce engine size to lower the horsepower.These two things would solve most of the problems for awhile.Until technology advances catch them back up.

Looks to me they are taking ideas for RC cars and applying them to the "real" cars. With the "tuner" wings that RC cars now run they will look more like the "real" thing come 2007 ;)

" COST SAVINGS " thats funny as .......well its funny. I garuantee you give a rule book and a MULTI MILLION dollar budget to a bunch of racers and they may read the rule book but they WILL SPEND THAT BUDGET!!!!

i think the wings look cool. now people can never ask why rc cars have wings when nascars dont! plus maybe now the cars can go faster. i wanna see them go 300mph :)

Don't fix the cars, fix the tracks!!!! Daytona and Talladega could knock the banking down.Reduce engine size to lower the horsepower.These two things would solve most of the problems for awhile.Until technology advances catch them back up.

I agree about the tracks.... cut the banks down so that the cars can run
without plates..

I DISagree with lower horsepower.. that is most of the problem now.
All the cars are the same speed... and they run wide open.
I don't want to see them go SLOWER.
Right now, the two biggest so called SUPERspeedways, are NOT the fastest
tracks, that makes no sense at all.... they are faster on mile and a halfs...

huffrcman: you are soooo correct! Those two tracks have long outgrown they usefullness because of the evolution of modern tire, shock absorber and aerodynamic technology. Daytona and Tallagega were built in 1959 and 1969, when the cars had huge ground clearance, rock-hard 9 inch wide bias-ply tires and bodies with all the aerodynamics of a brick. "Ground-effects" was not even a pipedream back then.
The writing's been on the wall for these 2 tracks over 20 years yet NASCAR doesn't seem to want to admit it. In 1986 Bill Elliot set the qualifying records at 210 and 214 mph respectively at these two tracks. (is it any wonder that they call him "Awsome Bill") Rusty Wallace ran a few effortless laps at 228 mph average in a tire test (with no plate) last year at Tallagega. Being a bit of a speed-freak personally, I just think this is totally cool! But unfortunately they've known since the 80's that those cars will not stay on the ground - even with roof flaps - when they spin out over 195 mph.
If they had just knocked down the banking in only one or two corners (to 10 or 12 degrees) at both tracks it would cause the drivers to have to lift off the throttle at least once per lap - and thus string out the field a bit and separate the real racers from the well funded yet erratic "poser drivers" who are always out there. This inexpensive fix would have already saved the teams at least a 100 million dollars in restictor- plate engine R & D as well as written-off racecars from the many "big - one" multi-car wrecks that happen every saturday & sunday when the the Busch and Cup cars race there. I sent a letter to Helton years ago hoping that they would consider it as a cheap solution. (not that I'd expect them to listen to a nobody like me) It just seems so... elementary - ya know. Makes me wonder if the modern-era NASCAR is only about show-business - at the risk of 43 drivers lives 7 time a year. (incl. Bud Shootout & the 2 Daytona qualifiers)
This spring they're actually repaving Talladega for the first time in 27 years - in exactly the same configuration. Its only going to be smoother, faster and more prone to the insane "bash-drafting" that's become commonplace now.
Makes you wonder what, or sadly "who" it will take before they come to their senses. It's a sobering thought.

Dale

Yea,and now nascar has ruined the busch series by allowing the cup boys to use it as their personal testing grounds.what a joke,put these cup boys nowadays in equal cars of the original busch racers,Ingram,Ard,Houston,Ottinger,Pressley,et al,they couldn't hold a lite to these real busch guys.

i love plate racing go every year usually spring and fall those 43 drivers take same risk every week there has only been one driver since neil bonnet get killed on a plate track what about adam petty and kenny erwin was not a plate track i like it when somebody is able to get to the front with no were near the cash the big teams have i was at dega when dave marcus took the lead for a lap and man the crowd went nuts first lap he had lead in years what about kirk shelmirdean makeing the daytona 500 he and 3 friends built that car he did not even have the tires to practice with and the fans in the infeild took up cash to give to him to help him race and he finished in the top 20 man to me it does not get anybetter than that

i love plate racing go every year usually spring and fall those 43 drivers take same risk every week there has only been one driver since neil bonnet get killed on a plate track what about adam petty and kenny erwin was not a plate track i like it when somebody is able to get to the front with no were near the cash the big teams have i was at dega when dave marcus took the lead for a lap and man the crowd went nuts first lap he had lead in years what about kirk shelmirdean makeing the daytona 500 he and 3 friends built that car he did not even have the tires to practice with and the fans in the infeild took up cash to give to him to help him race and he finished in the top 20 man to me it does not get anybetter than that
Coundn't have said it any better Will, I had rather see a plate race with all the cars in the mix, than a race like they had in Cali a week ago and you gotta love the underdogs when they have a good run. :wave:

ANYONE NOTICE TALBOT LEANING ON THE JACK????


rITCHIE mAC

Looks like the raised wing will stay. From Jayski today:
COT and the Wing: One item that is expected to be missing in the final version of the car of tomorrow [COT] will be the customary rear spoiler, which NASCAR has used for decades as part of its aerodynamic package. In its place will be a single-element rear deck wing, which was first track-tested at Daytona earlier this year. Monday's session at Bristol will be used to test different wing designs. The wing will represent a dramatic change in the look of NASCAR's stock cars, but according to Brett Bodine, a former driver who now serves as NASCAR's test driver and is heavily involved in the development of the new car, the wing is more in tune with today's modern race cars as well as new showroom models. He added that using a wing will allow teams to build a more symmetrically shaped car rather than the current models, which are cut and bent to shape to permit them to run better on ovals. According to Bodine, the wing will be a bolt-on piece that will be given to teams each race weekend by NASCAR, thus preventing any cheating. The wing will most likely include a small wickerbill/Gurney flap – a right-angle piece of metal rigidly bolted or riveted to a wing's trailing edge – which will offer an additional level of downforce or drag to be produced by the wing. Monday's session also will test the design of the new air splitter located below the bumper on the front of the new car. The splitter is designed to keep the front of the car on the ground. Both the wing and the splitter are items that have been used successfully for decades in sports car racing worldwide.(Yahoo Sports)(3-27-2006)

I still think the Cars Of Tomorrow are just plain hideous - with or w/out a wing.

Dale

LOL,yesterday a spectator at The Speedway Spectacular asked me why our "little cars" had wings on them when the "real race cars" didnt :rolleyes:
First foriegn car makes now wings, Who do you think NASCAR is trying to appeal to?

Lee :cool:

This is a joke, all needs to happen is: Do not buy a ticket for next years Bristol race! Don't watch it on TV. NASCAR will get the message quickly! You have the power, Use it!!!!