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rjm70
12-28-2005, 02:30 PM
I can remember when oval tracks would work together on putting on big races. Now if one track has a big race another track a few hours away will have a big race to. My home track is Sandhills Raceway in Vass NC. We have had the Memorial race the same weekend for a while now. For some reason another track a few hours away decided to put on a big race the same weekend. I'm not sure why but I've heard that a local racer there is upset with our local racers for not showing up at there race. Whatever we need to start planing better cause there are only a few oval tracks left.

Ritchie Mac

bud3738
12-28-2005, 02:42 PM
We have the same bull in the New England area.....It has tapered off though..But the problem I see more of is People who want us (out of town racers) to come to thier events but they are not willing to travel to attend another tracks events....I refuse to travel to a certain track any longer for this reason.......A travelling series may be the way to avoid this ..I know they are putting one together up here..........Hopefully
it will be a good show........

MURDOCKRC
12-28-2005, 02:51 PM
I would agree and expand a little. What has happened that I have seen is that weekly crowds have gone down a bunch in most areas and to pull a large crowd you need to put on a special event of some kind to pull everyone in. And Yes, there are way to many big events being put on but worse than that they are to close together as well in most cases. My local track is in a huge area that should have a 100 cars every week but no promotion is going on so that hurts as well. I think the other thing that would help oval right now is if all the tracks would follow one set of rules and stick to them across the board. If one track allows one thing it seems that another does not and that will keep guys from traveling as well due to having to have different equipment to race at each track. And tech cars even if it takes a little time. If the tracks would work together on scedules and rule packages it would help.

Kenwood
12-28-2005, 03:21 PM
Id agree...waayy back in the day we had 2 tracks locally...FOr whatever reason they always made even weekly racing the same night/time...It always seemed stupid to me...Because both got OK crowds...But Myself I would have ran both if they were on different nights.. They both ended up going out of business..

For a while recently we had the same deal except they staggered the nights...it was great...they kind of did it on purpose or as a courtesy to the other track.. For me anyway it worked out great.. 2 nights of racing instead of one..

Thats kind of sad on the sandhills race...Thats a top notch facility>>>I wish I had a big banked track like that near me..And the crazy part is not only that its an annual race>>>They were talking about it MONTHS AGO...Its not like they just added the date or something last minute...that sucks..

I wanted to try and make it to that race..but unfortunately snowbirds is taking a HUGE chunk out of my 06 vacation planning.. :(

MIKE VALENTINE
12-28-2005, 03:27 PM
Ritchie You need to also understand. That if you local guys don't travel to this other track, why would they want to support your race. If this other track is losing racers to your race, the best way to keep their locals, is to have a large event on the same day. Do I think it's the right thing to do, NO I don't. But from a business standpoint their losing nothing if your locals don't go their.

erock1331
12-28-2005, 03:29 PM
You hit the nail on the head Ritchie.

Makes me wonder, we have 2 Sanctioning bodies left in Oval Racing: ARCOR and ROAR. And the powers that be decide to schedule the races 2 weeks apart from each other (March 24-26 ROAR and April 8-9 ARCOR).

Both are on banked tracks this year, which is great for me as a racer cause I love banked racing, but I have to say, I think one or both of the events are gonna suffer attendence wise from the close scheduling. Classic and Sandhills guys always try and support each other's tracks, but within a 2 week span, that is gonna be tough to pull off pocket book wise. Since I can't make the Birds because of work obligations I try and run as many Nationals as I can. The close scheduling may limit that now.

Since Norrca is pretty much out of the oval scene maybe we need to have either ROAR or ARCOR switch their carpet nats to November. Have nats in Nov, the Birds in Feb and the other nats in April.

Seems like a good progression, but I don't run things in Oval land, lol

MURDOCKRC
12-28-2005, 03:42 PM
BINGO Erock. I have been saying for a long long time that the national events need to be earlier in the year. Then guys dont feel bad about buying the equipment or kits that can be used there to compete well and be used the rest of the season. There are a lot of guys that race winters and not summers. Why spend all that money for a race in late spring only for it to be outdated by fall if it is not used. Plus early in the year everyone is much more energized about racing.

me21
12-28-2005, 04:52 PM
After reading this i went and looked in the race forum, WOW no wonder no one can pull a decent crowd with a semi BIG race, There are "special races" everwhere on the 1st, and 8th. but this one is all up to tracks us as racer's can't help this cause......Personaly if i where a track owner, why would I want to schedule a race on the same day as 30 other races. It just dosn't make sence!!!!!

Billy W
12-28-2005, 05:32 PM
MIke , i know what Richies is talking about.. and several guys from Sandhills have been to the track he's not mentioning by name... funny thing is they probably would have went to it as well if the race wasn't on the same weekend...

Billy

katf1sh
12-28-2005, 05:44 PM
i want an oval event like the vegas race..oval only indoors on carpet ro asphault so we know we will race. and make it a 3 day event. forget roar nats and arcor nats...i would love to see an oval race where 350 racers show up to race. mr boylan make it so please,lol.

jsrocket13
12-28-2005, 05:52 PM
Ok here's my out look on all of this and when i get done i might tick some people off but its not just nationals its local to where I live there's Washington PA, SCH in PA, Beaver PA, Freddies in OH, Classic in OH, and Valley in WV, there are all at the most 3 hours driving to the farthest track. One of the tracks has to talk $#!* about the other then they get the other guys mad at them and they know who they are with all there money behind them one track likes to race for fun wich is what we all should be doing. I for one am tired of all the bull crap the rest of the tracks try to work together to a point I will be the first to admit that I cant race every weekend because of my job I have to ask for a day off to race and when i get time i go to the closest track that dont treat people from the other tracks like idiots of talk behind there backs. All racers need to unite look around everybodys diffrrences from other tracks and welcome them in with open arms support other tracks locally and get behind the other tracks for a big race by having something special for there local racers at there "BIG" events. I have been in this HOBBY for 16 years I got serious once and it was time, money, and life consuming, I did nothing but work on my cars, motors and battries. Everyone around the hobby needs to look around wake the HELL up and start putting all of this crap behind them or there will be NO place's to race. The hobby shop owners need to come toghter and talk about the racing and what nights everyone can make it on, not have everybody spread out like having 4 tracks race on saturday nights, and one on sunday. Everyone want to have fun lets all do that and while we are at it get rid of all the bad apple's racing out them from every track I am man enough to admit I tokk cheap shots at other people from other tracks on diffrent threads on here but guys like that dont need to be in rc rc racing if you want to do that go sell all your stuff and buy a full size oval car and call me when you get the snot beet out of you at a track because you ran your mouth to the wrong guy or his crew. If you go on somebody elses thread and run you mouth you should be slapped on your chopps. Most of us are grown men we need to act our ages be humble we have places to race! I know for a fact when i started racing there was 2 tracks around here now there is none. A few of the tracks I"ve been to are very nice 2 have a good atmosfear?? another when I walked in everybody looker at me like I had 4 heads and when i walked through the pits guys started to hover over there cars for god's sake there toy cars this is not NASCAR treat others like you want to be treated make time to know the new people you migh find some intersting fellows! Quit arguing about little stuff learn to have fun and like I said treat other good like you would want to be treated so others will come back to your track.

Now if i pissed anybody off you all can email me at jsimo137@aol.com if you agree with me let me know to racing is not about 1 person or 1 track its about family and friends.

Thanks for my ranting: Jimmy Simons

17driver
12-28-2005, 06:14 PM
Amen Jimmy,well put! :thumbsup:

jsrocket13
12-28-2005, 06:16 PM
Thank you 17.

davz
12-28-2005, 07:20 PM
I wish I had your problems. We barely even have a place to go. I have to travel 100 miles if I want to race every other week. Every week is not possible. Just support your local track or it will go away!

Ernie P.
12-28-2005, 08:13 PM
Ritchie Mac; are you talking about Thunder Road, when you talk about "another track"? I can't tell from your description; but we're within four hours of you; and we do have a big race on the 7th.

If you are talking about Thunder Road, why not just ask me whats going on? I'm the guy who sets the schedule; and I'm not hard to find. And, that way, you'd have the straight story.

Or are you talking about another, closer, track with a race scheduled on the same day? Thanks; Ernie P. :cool:

ovalrc
12-28-2005, 08:26 PM
I see another problem in the area where I live and race, too many races and not enough racers. Used to be a time when another track had a big race you lost 5 maybe 10 racers that weekend to the other event. No big deal when your regular weekend racing drew 60 to 75 racers. And there were only two maybe three big events during the season you had to contend with. In the past ten years that has changed, another event can wipe out racing at one track for that given weekend, because now a good weekly race has 20 to 25 racers. Don't get me wrong, I love to travel to other tracks, meet new racers, and try something new. But it's getting harder because I don't want to loose the track I have raced at for 15 years.
My point is, we need to find a way to get the crowds back up where they used to be to keep all the tracks open. I will continue to support as many events as I can squeeze in, our season is short and there are only so many weekends. I have to pick which races I attend and continue to do my best supporting my local track.

patcollins
12-28-2005, 09:41 PM
I believe there are too many "big events". How many "nationals" does one type of car need?

It is the local racers that do not travel to other tracks that pay the bills for (local)race tracks and those are the guys that tracks need to make happy.

McLin
12-28-2005, 10:09 PM
Please don't take this as a "go to my site" post because it is not intended that way but we are doing our best to get track owners to use us as a race date clearing house to prevent such problems as we are discussing here. I know both sides of this particular story and I know for a fact that neither of the track owners were trying to hurt the other, it was just a lack of communication and a lack of having dates posted well in advance.

This is NOT a unique situation. Up until now there was no ONE PLACE that track owners and racers could go to and find what dates have been taken, we have had to rely on forums such as this one and word of mouth. In other words, there is no broad organization to race date scheduling what so ever.

If the track owners will contact us, we have severial things working online right now that will help stop this. We are ready and more than willing to try and help.

jsrocket13
12-28-2005, 10:41 PM
No everyone needs to read this I'm saying from the stand point of everyone that wont stand up and speak there mind national events are becoming a joke in my book ROAR allows brushed ans brushless in the same class most of the tracks I know of have them sepret. The "nats" should not rule our life what I'm trying to say is everyone support your local tracks! If there is more tham one OK go check it out online first read the threads if there is any fighting new comers probaly wont want to go there if its all joking thats the place they will likely go to. We as the racers need a say in this maybe come up with a set of rule for certain classes acrose the country so if any body go on vaction and wants to take there car it would be fine. Break everything down to spec car and truck, open stock and truck, 19t, mod, and brushless and breaking that down to and put a cap on battires. This might make racing fun again and some of the guy at other tracks need to help out new commers with car and set up start out with a car that can grow with them. Let fathers and sons get back in the hobby thats what we really need right now family involved so everyone I'm pleading with all of you stop the kiddy stuff fathers get your sons out know matter how old they are and take a look around in this world!

pepe
12-28-2005, 10:51 PM
Two very well made points here,first we need ONE set of rules and as Mclin said we need ONE place for trackowners and organizations to go to and schedule races,this being the ONLY schedule to go by.It will force the trackowners and organizations to plan ahead.You're never going to be able to accomodate everybody,it's just not possible,but a schedule that is a year out will go a long way to helping.Trackowners and organizations need to either be in the loop or not.We only need one national event for each type of racing, carpet and paved,paved in the summer and carpet in the winter.

grif
12-28-2005, 10:55 PM
I always try to support my local track, but sometimes it's fun to take a break and go to a weekend race at another track close-by.

Larry B
12-28-2005, 11:58 PM
It is nice to have one place to look for race events if you are a racer.

What happens if a track owner or organization looks at some schedule and finds one or more races on the weekend they want to use. Who or what decides who should have the race date. Does the first to sign up get the date? I do not think that will work.

It takes the track owners willing to work together to help each track get a good race for the track and racers. Tracks three to four ( and some time longer) hours from each other streach the racers thin. It also makes it hard for them pick between races, not wanting to make track owners and locals upset if they do not attend.

But, in the end the racers will decide what race they want to attend based on type of track, facility, classes, organizations, sponser commitments, race operation, friends and race prestige.

This is just my opinion I could be wrong.

Kenwood
12-29-2005, 12:28 AM
Some of this stuff just depends on the owner/people/atmosphere.. I ran in the late 80's early 90's Banked carpet and banked concrete..whats flat???.. maybe ran it 3 times total back then.. I come back in cincinnati and start to run flat...I found 95% of the people willing to help... Heck on my first day back with a severely outdated car I had people letting me try different tires, motors, batts, trying to help me out..Pretty much everyone...I did not have to hunt anyone down...they stopped by and helped.. I was dumbfounded>>>Back in the day you COVERED your stuff up and Chained a pit bull to your pit to keep people away.. painted springs etc etc...

The new openness is what caused me to buy a new car and invest a small fortune into the hobby... Because of the help that was given to me I try to do the same for others when I can..The way I see it if I can get someone interested or help someone stay interested the better my chances are of having lots of people to race with..Typically my helping people usually results in ME having a bad time after they beat me repeatedly using the tips I gave them.. :(

Track courtesy between one to the next...I not aware of us having any conflicts with other tracks.. A good number of us travel from place to place>> I cant hit every track every year...but I typically make the rounds.. I announce it ahead of time...In fact some times the track owner travels as well and seems to encourage it. Usually when we travel we have fun..and then those people come and run with us sometime...Nothing at all wrong with that..

So again I think it depends on the Owner/people/atmosphere

burbs
12-29-2005, 12:52 AM
i want an oval event like the vegas race..oval only indoors on carpet ro asphault so we know we will race. and make it a 3 day event. forget roar nats and arcor nats...i would love to see an oval race where 350 racers show up to race. mr boylan make it so please,lol.

hey kat there was talk about having a oval race the week after vegas.. They would do touring one week, thenhave oval the folowing..Im not sure where it stands, but that would be cool.. Im not sure if it will happen, since they dont even run oval at scotty's track anymore.


I will say to many tracks in one general location and region is just bad.. here in wisconsin we had 6 tracks running oval last year.. NO ONE traveled.. guys would rather race 5 min away then travel.. So if the state had a base of 100 racers, they were spread between 6 track.. very patchy attendance,..

Now this year we have two maybe 3 running oval.. one main track that gets the bulk of the racers..(5 min from me :) ). I love it because everyone generally congregatesto one track now.. its a blast..

McLin
12-29-2005, 12:56 AM
Here's a thought. Without getting all the numbers together, I will not be able to give you an exact way to do it but some friends of mine and I have discussed this for months and I think it could work.

For the moment, forget about what organization has what race, just think of "X" amount of major races and try to widdle it down to 12 races per season (summer/winter). Then create that dreaded word; a "series". Now read on before you close your mind to that dreaded word. LOL

If those 12 races include the ARCOR and ROAR Nationals, the Snowbirds, the Ovalmasters.....yada, yada, yada. In other words all of the big races for the season, you accomplish three big things.

One, race dates can't over lap because they are all part of a series.

Two, the racer turn out should be better because no one race is up against another.

Three, if you make it a points series then a TRUE national champion could be crowned and not just someone that won one particular race.

Actually there is a forth thing too; by planning it out for the whole season, a person would know how to plan their vacation time to go to the races they want to go to.

All racers will not go to all races no more then they do now. The ones that travel a lot will still be going to the same races they always do so this type of deal would not affect the local tracks anymore then it already does. No one has to follow the points race so if they only want to go to one or two of them like they usually do, that's fine. At least they will know the dates will not be on top of each other.

BUT the only way this would work is if the track owners and organizations agreed to it and worked together to make it work.

Like I said, just an idea in the rough.

Z-Main Loser
12-29-2005, 01:29 AM
Back in the Mid 90's there were 3 tracks within 50 miles of each other in my area. 1 track ran friday nites and sunday mornings. The other 2 ran on saturday morning and the other at nite. A big group of us would race all 4 times on the weekend and all the tracks had a points series at each which this group ran each series. Alot of racing in one weekend but it was fun. Each track had their "supporters", some people only raced at 2 of each. But the entries were always around 30 or more at 2 of the tracks and 20 at the other. Now there are still 3 tracks in the area but at different locations. 2 run on friday nite with only about 15 mins apart, and one on saturday nite. All 3 have different classes and rules. You can't race all 3 tracks with the same setup. The entries at each track are nothing compared to what they were 10 years ago.

Tim Mc
12-29-2005, 02:05 AM
Many tracks hold their own BIG event/events and do not run under "one or any" sanctioning body & have no desire to be associated with one. Where do these tracks fit in? There are a few that are not associated with an org and are doing very well with attendance. What's their secret?

One thing to remember, it will be hard to convience track owners/operators to put their schedules on the table to be picked over. Just as any Org would not do. Ask yourself...Would you?


You know, these topics come up every year or so...get kicked around...racers &/or track owners get offended and oval dies a little more. We have to quit bringing up the past. Talking about yester-year will never help unless you're an old fart trying to impress another old fart.

If you have a local track go support it!! Be damn glad that you have one. AND THEN, if you have the time and the money, go support the other tracks.

Craig P. said it right... "you have to build locally first"

I'm not trying to be negative here ... but it's US "the RACERS" talking about these kind of topics on the forums, not the Powers To BE. This might be your first sign that the horse is not breathing, so put the stick away. :)

GILYHANTREE
12-29-2005, 02:26 AM
Who Cares Its Not Like We Are Racing For A Million Bucks Or Something Some People Need To Learn How To Go Out And Just Have Fun Again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rupert
12-29-2005, 03:20 AM
Have fun go race. Locally or travel. When a group of local racers travel it can be good for the local shop because those racers will be on here finding a new setup. That set up will be different tires, gears, springs, motors ect. So a big race a far can be good for the local shop. This is somewhat of a good problem to have that fact that we have so many local tracks that they are competing for race dates at least means we have local tracks. Big races are fun and usually generate more $$ at the local track but, sometimes that extra $$ is offset by the door prizes, Trophies and the long hours of preparation.
I personally incourage all of the racers at my local track to travel to other tracks. It gets our name out to other racers. The best thing a local track can do is generate more local racers. When you get the out of town racers it is just a bonus.

One of the most successful series going right now is the RC pro Series. This is working great for the dirt Off road racers. It may be a good model for the Oval racing to follow.

pepe
12-29-2005, 03:54 AM
Who Cares Its Not Like We Are Racing For A Million Bucks Or Something Some People Need To Learn How To Go Out And Just Have Fun Again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You don't think the nextel drivers aren't having fun? I have fun everytime I go to the track,it's why I go and have been going for 14-15 years now.

burbs
12-29-2005, 03:58 AM
This is supose to be fun??? Man i thought i wasted 17 years and how many thousands of dollars on this hobby because it wasnt fun.. Aww shucks.. Now i have to quit...:jest: Im not sure how to have fun..:cry:

MUHWAAAAAA!!!!!

LARCGuy
12-29-2005, 05:54 AM
hey kat there was talk about having a oval race the week after vegas.. They would do touring one week, thenhave oval the folowing..Im not sure where it stands, but that would be cool.. Im not sure if it will happen, since they dont even run oval at scotty's track anymore.

In Vegas, I asked Scotty directly about this and he said "No Way". Said he would help Jay with the Kimbrough 400, but would not put on an event of his own. Said it would be to hard to get oval companies to come up with sponsorship dough and didn't know if he could get 200+ oval racers to even show up. I would go to an indoor 3 day oval carpet race in Vegas in a heartbeat. Maybe somebody will do it...

Hurricane Racer
12-29-2005, 10:40 AM
Not too shocking to hear that LARCguy.
The oval sponsors are out there, and im sure plenty would be interested in an Oval only race... just takes the time and energy to plan it. Of course there wont be as many entries as touring, so why would someone put energy and money into something they dont beleive in, in the first place.

JB
12-29-2005, 12:56 PM
You hit the nail on the head Ritchie.

Makes me wonder, we have 2 Sanctioning bodies left in Oval Racing: ARCOR and ROAR. And the powers that be decide to schedule the races 2 weeks apart from each other (March 24-26 ROAR and April 8-9 ARCOR).

Both are on banked tracks this year, which is great for me as a racer cause I love banked racing, but I have to say, I think one or both of the events are gonna suffer attendence wise from the close scheduling. Classic and Sandhills guys always try and support each other's tracks, but within a 2 week span, that is gonna be tough to pull off pocket book wise. Since I can't make the Birds because of work obligations I try and run as many Nationals as I can. The close scheduling may limit that now.

Since Norrca is pretty much out of the oval scene maybe we need to have either ROAR or ARCOR switch their carpet nats to November. Have nats in Nov, the Birds in Feb and the other nats in April.

Seems like a good progression, but I don't run things in Oval land, lol

First, neither of the races that started this thread, are ARCOR or ROAR races, therefore as Sanctioning Bodies, we have no control over the schedule of these races. What ARCOR has done for the 2006 racing season is to eliminate two races. The ARCOR Open held on Labor Day weekend will not happen. This is because of the ROAR Paved Oval Nationals, being held anywhere from early Sept to late Oct. By not having the Labor Day race, that makes it easier for racers to attend the ROAR Nationals. They don’t have to “decide” which race to attend. The Spec Winter Nationals will not happen either. With the ROAR Nats., and the non-Sanctioned Oval Masters, there is not a good date to have this race. ARCOR will have two major races a year, the Carpet Open Nationals, always scheduled as close to the first weekend in April as possible, and the Firecracker Summer Paved Nationals on July 4th weekend. No State races will be scheduled on the same weekend if the tracks are with-in 400 miles of each other. ARCOR’s schedule is planned through July of 2006.
You guys want the organizations to work together, yet this is hard to do when you have tracks that will step on the dates of races that have been planned well in advance. The date for ARCOR Carpet Open at Classic has been planned since last July. The date was picked by Classic, due to his personal schedule and did not step on any other dates at that time.

ARCOR has changed it’s dates for races, several times and has even cancelled a race due to other races being planned over the top of an already scheduled ARCOR race. I’m not sure how much more I can do to try to cooperate and set up a racing schedule that will fit into the dates and not conflict with other races. Maybe I should take the attitude of, this is the date..take it or leave it.

As for these two races scheduled on the same date, one is a one day race, one is a 2 day race. These races are a driving distance of 5 hours apart of each other. If you take into consideration, the N. Ohio area, one race is a 9 hour drive. Some racers can’t take off for a whole weekend, which a two day race would require at least 3 days off from work, and 2 nights in a motel. Some can and have planned for it. Those that couldn’t make the trip to NC, would have stayed home regardless of the other one day race in VA. With that one day race, they may be able to do it in one day and not have to take off work. What you as racers have to do is decide which race you can attend and support it. I would wager, that those complaining, wouldn’t be going to either race anyway, or would for the most part, go to the closest race, regardless of who scheduled what race first.

pepe
12-29-2005, 01:11 PM
You just can't get much more fexible than that JB.This is the reason we need ONE place to go to for race scheduling,if your race was scheduled more than a year out then it surely it would have precedence over one that wasn't,just my opinion.Maybe a time frame needs to be set for scheduling,then no more for the year after the cutoff date?

JB
12-29-2005, 01:27 PM
pepe: We have ONE place to go to look for scheduling, Hank gave each organization it's own place. All it takes is a little effort to look it up. Why re-invent the wheel when what we have works? The problem is no one wants to use it to make it work.

GILYHANTREE
12-29-2005, 01:49 PM
just seems like some people get hot over something that doesn't really make much sence the local track that i race at three hours(rush &son) from home has grown from 6-10 racers to 45 a night(IN ONE YEARS TIME) might not be as many as some track but the people at tracks either draw crowds or not so it's our choice be a a$$ and have no racers or be nice and helpful and grow interest in your home track and not compete for big races one or 2 big races per concrete and carpet season is a plenty for me i am sure someone would think different but i don't really care been racing for 19 years i have seen more than my share come and go may not be as fast as i used to be probably forgot more than lots will ever know but i don't care i am still doing it for the same reasons the enjoyment

jimmy24
12-29-2005, 02:04 PM
gilyhantree,
you took the words right out of my mouth, remember why we are all in this hobby in the first place. for me its to have some fun and meet some really great people! i have no track in metro area of 4million and every weekend i jump in the car, spend money to get to the track that is 4 and 5 hours away to hang out with some really good guys and girls. to do what i like to do (race), i used to haul my real lefthander car 300 miles to race for 100 laps and get nothing out of it but a great time!! just my 2 pennies

pepe
12-29-2005, 02:06 PM
pepe: We have ONE place to go to look for scheduling, Hank gave each organization it's own place. All it takes is a little effort to look it up. Why re-invent the wheel when what we have works? The problem is no one wants to use it to make it work.

JB, yea that was the one I was refering to,I agree it just takes some effort,I guess the question is does EVERYONE know about this ONE place,and how can we communicate to all tracks about this one place.I'm not sure there is much you can do if trackowners don't want to get on board,some tracks have their own agenda and could care less what the rest of the oval world is doing.Another problem is some trackowners aren't very computer illitirate(sp) this is not meant as a put down but just a fact.

erock1331
12-29-2005, 02:30 PM
JB,
Sorry if my post sounded like a slam on ARCOR. It wasn't my intent.

I am well aware that the ARCOR open is the first weekend in April each year. I've been to all of em, lol I guess I am just bummed that the ROAR race is so close.

OvalTrucker
12-29-2005, 03:11 PM
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Originally posted from Kenwood:
The new openness is what caused me to buy a new car and invest a small fortune into the hobby... Because of the help that was given to me I try to do the same for others when I can..The way I see it if I can get someone interested or help someone stay interested the better my chances are of having lots of people to race with..Typically my helping people usually results in ME having a bad time after they beat me repeatedly using the tips I gave them..
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That's where it needs to start as far as getting new people involved. I can't tell you how many times I've helped a new guy smoke me by giving him some set-up help.
Do I care? NO! We were all new guys once.
He'll be back to race next time and it inspires me to find the next hot set-up!
Conversely, I have benefitted 10 fold by the help I have received from others.

***"What goes around, comes around"*******
how's that for a cliche'!:tongue:

-here's another one....
thats my $.02!


Scott

k4mike
12-29-2005, 06:00 PM
Ovaltrucker and Kenwood, I could not agree more with you guys. I have recently been to a couple of tracks where other racers would put their stuff aside to help me out. After going to one track recently I was so elated with the atmosphere there that I am actually excited to drive an hour and a half to go back. And Ive been racing since '85! A couple of local tracks that are now shut down used to have a real problem with those who raced at both tracks. They raced on Sat./Sun. and were only 5 miles apart so it was possible to hit both in one weekend. They both were dirt ovals but one ran calcium in the clay so your tires would be red after racing. If you didnt clean them before hitting the other track (theirs maintenence for you) the owner would give you the cold shoulder all day. I dont run into this problem anymore as I dont have a local track anymore. Fortunately now though when I do go to new tracks I have found the locals to be helpful. Remember, we're all in this hobby together. Mike

Billy W
12-29-2005, 07:22 PM
I will say this concerning the ROAR Nats at sandhills... i wasn't real happy with the placement as far as when.. but i found out They lucked up on having Motel rooms available. begining at the end of Febuary thr ROckingham Drag strip starts pretty much non stop with big events and most of the motel rooms are filled up..... It's hard to get a room once it warms up around here because of all the golf course's... add the drag racing and it's almost impossible.... with only a couple open weekends the first part of the year they got lucky....

Billy

Michael27
12-29-2005, 08:13 PM
We'll just stay at your place Billy. Since you live like 10 minutes from the track :tongue:

Billy W
12-29-2005, 09:10 PM
OH iwill for that one...lol.... your gonna see me in your neck of the woods soon.....lol.

My work is the only thing holding me back right now....

Billy

Billy W
12-29-2005, 09:11 PM
If you don't travel you won't go faster.. when you travel to different places you learn things and you learn to go faster......lol

GILYHANTREE
12-29-2005, 09:52 PM
I will say this concerning the ROAR Nats at sandhills... i wasn't real happy with the placement as far as when.. but i found out They lucked up on having Motel rooms available. begining at the end of Febuary thr ROckingham Drag strip starts pretty much non stop with big events and most of the motel rooms are filled up..... It's hard to get a room once it warms up around here because of all the golf course's... add the drag racing and it's almost impossible.... with only a couple open weekends the first part of the year they got lucky....

Billyyeah been their and done that a few years back super chevy show at rockingham and big golf tournament over their and after driving 10 hours thought we were going to have to sleep in the car for a week so not only did we have that of course that topped it all off air went out on car on the way and blowed tire out on the way home and we don't want to even want to go their how we finished in the race but it gave us some great memories and hoping to come up for the nats that was one great track

Billy W
12-29-2005, 10:06 PM
Yeah ever since the NHRA left the strip... the Ihra and the imports and the super checy and everything else drag or car show hits every weekend.... they don't take many weekends off... they just finished up the second weekend of dec.....lol.

Make it if you can it looks like a good crowd. track is as fast as ever and good close racing...

Billy

davepull
12-30-2005, 11:11 PM
I think that what alot of these area's need is state or regional touring series that races once a month like the focar series here in florida.

PUF19
12-30-2005, 11:39 PM
I am just starting here in the North East
http://www.nicks-simworld.com/NEOT/NEOT_2006 Schedule.htm