I don't know how many SK racers are here, but I know I want to know if there will be enough racers before I head up.

nhrcracer, i would rather run 6 cells by madness rules but am game for the 4cell thing if majority rules.just need to know the rules for each class.

nhrcracer, i would rather run 6 cells by madness rules but am game for the 4cell thing if majority rules.just need to know the rules for each class. I'm the same. If more people want 4-cell then I'll run that, but I need to know the rules before hand.

which ever rules you guys run by with it being either 4 or 6 cell Chad will use the same rules.hey clayton

As I posted in the winterblast thread, I am working on getting the 4 cell guys from montville to come up. Most of them do not even know about hobbytalk so this poll will not be accurate. We have a 2 day event next week and will announce it then. I also talked to steve who is our local hobby shop owner and told him today that our 4 or 6 cell sk race will be held on sunday. I hope that does not change because it could mean no turn out from us including myself, saturdays are basicaly out for me. I will tell as many as possible this friday and next week and up to the day of the race to see if we can get people to go. I am planning on running 4 cell but if I show up and there isnt enough 4 cell or none I will end up changing the chassis to 6 cell and join that class. I am keeping an eye out day to day to see who is going to show and who iis staying home.
Ken K

Sounds great, Ken. K/N is a blast (go wide! bad pun in turn two) to race at and the Winter Blast just has an awesome energy. After a few years of running only 4-cell stock, I've been kind of spoiled with 6-cells in my SK car, but like I sid above, I'll run what ever the majority wants.

K/N I found hard to drive. I got real frustrated with it and havent been back since the stockified. The first time I ran at K/N I ran an sk and had more fun with that than running the pan car. I am looking forward to running the SK car there again, its been over 6 months now with the SK car. Should be fun.

the rules are basically the same as stock if you let 3800's in the class...tires are the same rules as posted only blues,orange, greens, double blues etc..no exotic compounds...the body rules are for open discussion and the only other thing is a weight rule.. i have a old bare bonz car where its a associated front end and no t-plate were as the excalibur cars currently sold have the t-plates.... i will be up 4 some 4 cell sk fun providing the weather isnt bad for sure!!!!!!!!! 6 cell???

The 6-cell s/k's from Madness will be at speedzone, that sunday. Racing starts at noon.

Do the guys who run 4-cell all use the solid chassis or do some use the Excaliber chassis with rear suspension?

The 6-cell s/k's from Madness will be at speedzone, that sunday. Racing starts at noon.

Hey what sunday are you guys going to speedzone? Your not going to go to the winterblast? Let me know because that will take a huge chunk out of winterblast for the SK class. We use solid chassis and we use 3800's, stock motor, exotic tires, we dont care basicaly.
Ken K

they use whatever is available for a chassis

The Winterblast is the biggest event in New England, I know where I'll be.
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The Winterblast is the biggest event in New England, I know where I'll be.
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Home if its 2 feet of snow or a hott naked woman in your bed, I know I would stay home.

I would only be home for 15-20 minutes if there was a hot woman in my bed. Then I would go racing. My racecar doesn't want to know what I'm thinking about, and it doesn't want to cuddle...

John i thoughtyou were not going to the blast. let me know Kenny

I would only be home for 15-20 minutes if there was a hot woman in my bed. Then I would go racing. My racecar doesn't want to know what I'm thinking about, and it doesn't want to cuddle...
screw the r/c car it will always be there, not the naked woman, shh dont tell my wife-HAHAHA

John i thoughtyou were not going to the blast. let me know Kenny
I was just talking about racing in General. I won't be at the blast this year. Going to speedzone in Rocky Hill.

screw the r/c car it will always be there, not the naked woman, shh dont tell my wife-HAHAHA
Your secret is safe with me Ken...

john what cars are you guys running at speedzone

the normal 6-cell s/k that we race at Madness

if 4-cell guys want to come, of course everybody is more than welcome.

I dont see the 4 cell guys going there at all. Maybe daryl and me but I dont think the others. i was out there today and ran my x-ray, made A main came in 3rd, first time ever driving road course and I just got the car on thursday. Jon that was fun last night, thought I had a car to beat daryl but he is just to fast for me. Got to do some motor work this week for "the" big race, time to step it up a notch, good practice for winterblast. running the same tires I will use for stafford basicaly, maybe a black right rear and thats it. Are you guys going to come up on a regular basis or once in while or play it by ear? Talk to you soon,
Ken K

Ken, I would like to come up every friday. I think once the holidays are behind us, a few more 6-cell guys will come too. Howard and I just invested a good chunk of change on batteries, so we will be running 4-cell as much as possible. We are back on the drawing board with those cars. Totally different setup. Hopefully we will (or at least I will) be much more competative with it. I'll see you on thursday. What time is he setting up the track? I need as much practice as I can get. I always have a good time with you guys, even when I'm LQ. I think the last time I was in a c main, I was about 12 years old. Definately a learning expeirience.

thats the way I feel when I get to madness on your grounds. I am going to set the track up thursday afternoon around 1. We are going to let it sit for awhile so no wrinkles. I would say practice no later than 5 if you want or come down after 1 if you can. When racing 6 cell all the time and the going to 4 cell, totaly different ball game. My set up on the 4 cell for tires, gray r/rear, white L/rear, either blue or Dblue right front, green L/front, little wedge left front. 2 and 1 for camber. little to no steering in controller. using a 124 spur, rollout inbetween 145-151 with 2 mag epic. I everything but the speedo is in the left front corner. In 4 cell I think it comes down to 2 things, rollout and setup. I have been trying so hard to find the best setup week in and week out to try to get to daryl-not beat him but man it sucks when your getting lapped every 5 laps like your stnading still, I always thought he had a cheater motor, but I dont think so, I think 71 laps is possible with the right setup. I think I could have had atleast a 70 last friday night if I didnt hit howard or hit the disk. Makes you work harder.
Ken K

I was thinking the same thing about daryl's motor after seeing you come so close friday. It is still worth $20 to me to find out how many winds are on there. I know I can get somebody to put up the other $20. We'll see what happens. Thanks for the setup. Next time you're at Madness with 6-cell, try: yellow rears (no stagger) green lf single blue rf, .025 stagger (or equivelent wedge) 1.40-1.48 r/o epic 2 mag.

Kewl I will write that down. Noone has to pay for my motor, I will gladly give it up. I dont cheat never have, I am not to sure if a 1 wind less in the motor would give you an extra 2 laps I dunno. Sounds like more of a setup in the car. I dont know. I dont think he cheats though, it would be stupid to do that at a track like that nevermind anywhere else. I just think he puts more time into a motor than most people combined at that track and think thats were it pays off.

I spent the whole day today going through my 4-cell car. Fresh motors, bearings, tires, etc... I still have a few more things I want to do to it. It's either going to be a dog or go like hell... we'll see. You are definately right about spending time on motors and picking a good arm is key, but his has a distinctive whine to it at the end of the straightaways. A good test would be a handout race. If he falls of 2-3laps than it's pretty obvious. I don't understand why anyone would do that at a "fun track" like steves. It's not like theres high stakes. What is he running for batteries? The tall thin guy, who was in the c-main with me, said he runs "top-flight" batteries. I thought they made golf balls. What is with 4-mag motors? I see a few guys running them up there. Are they legal?

I dont want to touch my car-its been hanging up since friday. Only going to do motors. I wrote down mysetup and thats it. Top Flight wow your guess is as good as mine. Best thing I can tell you is each and every track has someone who thinks he knows everything, nice guy but weird. Steve allows anything until its pointed out to him and then its killed. Its layed back. We are suppose to go by madness rules except brushes and batteries but rules are very loose. We are lucky to get guys to show up I guess. 4 mags I guess you can run. I never realy ran them much even when they came out. The only thing i dont go by is tires, I run some exotics because you can buy them on Lefthander for 19bucks and they never chip,break or chunk realy. Its weird because alot of the usual crowd is getting faster and I am shocked. Two weeks ago this guy who is always slow came the next week and was doing lap times as fast if not faster than me and I was like WTF. Good for him but I was thinking ummm what motor is that? Its tuff when people dont follow the rules and the director who doesnt enforce it. Again its suppose to be a NON high stakes place to race and people sometimes just ruin it but thats everywhere.

I'm not worried about a lot of those people cheating. I see a few fast cars, but they can't get around without hitting anything. We had a guy in our class put bearings in his stock motor. He didn't realize he was cheating. He used the old bushings as spacers under his servo. We called him on it, and he said "it doesn't say anything in our rules about bearings in the motor, just r brushes." I bet there are a bunch of guys up at your place who have no idea what a roar legal motor is as well. Sometimes it's good to dq a car here and there, at leaste they know whats legal and whats not. I have always felt that rules that are inforced will strengthen a class. Look at slot cars, they dissapear for a while because of all the cheating.
Do you guys ever weigh the cars? is there a min. weight? Just curious, because I saw some lead in your car. Wasn't sure if you were just keeping that lr down or making it legal.

I'd like to see the SK rules be not only clarified (they really need it) but to also be enforced a little better. I don't believe any more than the top three need to be teched at a trophy race and maybe just the winner at a weekly race. I haven't looked over a single car to see if anyone is cheating, but I was a little bummed out when I spent money (tires and batteries) and asked a lot of questions to make certain my car was 100% legal only to hear that isn't necessarily the case for everyone.

In my opinion, people shouldn't be running quad mag motors; those motors are quite a bit faster on oval.

I'd like to see the SK rules be not only clarified (they really need it) but to also be enforced a little better. I don't believe any more than the top three need to be teched at a trophy race and maybe just the winner at a weekly race. I haven't looked over a single car to see if anyone is cheating, but I was a little bummed out when I spent money (tires and batteries) and asked a lot of questions to make certain my car was 100% legal only to hear that isn't necessarily the case for everyone.

In my opinion, people shouldn't be running quad mag motors; those motors are quite a bit faster on oval.
This is the 4-cell class at montville. The rules for 6-cell, clearly state "motors will be any R.O.A.R stock motor, with raceprep "R" brushes."
Montville doesn't have the same rules as us, but I do agree we need to tech cars more often. Maybe every car should be teched before racing starts, that way people will know whats wrong before there is a problem. Some guys don't even realize they are illegal. Keep track of these suggestions for the meeting on the 7th. That may actually be a good time to tech all the cars.
Matt, are you coming to montville thurs. or fri.? if so I'll see you there. Jon

I'd like to keep it simple and light by having only the winner go through tech. To me, winning would be worth the hassle of going through tech.


The 2-day race sounds like fun, but I'm going to pass. I might be able to go just on Friday, but I think I'll keep my car setup for Madness for now and enjoy the break.

I have one peice of lead on the car and its on the Lr pod plate which was actualy from one of my old l2's realy no reason why its on there. There is no weight rule and never thought there ever was on a SK even when I asked chris at madness he said the same thing. I remeber there being a rule for length on the rear axle tire to tire no more than 8 1/4 I think and mine is way under 8 inches. I have the inside tires in as far as possible with the outside OUT as far as possible. I could go more but no reason to the way it hooked up last friday. You start to force rules,change or DQ at a place like steves and he will not get anyone to come, especialy the people who come down to his store and buy shit. Basic rules at our place is any stock motor-no hybrid and 4 cell as of right now only 3800 is max, no drilling of chassis or moving battery box is the main things he enforces. No body height rule, no tire rule and no brush rule. To many rules stears people away. People find ways to get around it and becomes more of a hassle than its worth. You guys have a close bunch of racers and work together and thats why it works for you guys. When I first went up there I was not forced to buy anything and wouldnt just to race. Chris told me my money was just as good as anyone elses. I always questioned the -just dont understand some of the reasons. The rules say keeping cost down was the main thing, buying certain brushes-why? are they cheaper? tires, exoctics-same price basicaly and will make that car steer alot better, 6cell -more than a 4 cell pack costs. but batteries are so cheap now and especialy the 3800's. Our place is relaxed because thoses guys are weekend bashers and dont travel-wish they did but they dont owell.

The point of rules is to keep every-one on an equal playing field. The r brush is so that people don't have to worry about which brushes are better, I've seen trinitys as much as $20 set. R's are $4 I think. The r on the back makes them easy to tech as well. Many of our rules are from K/N days, like body height. An easy way to tech that is the rear window. That way your not illegal if your tires get to small. At K/N it made a big difference how your body was mounted, short flat tracks, not a big deal. The 6-cell rule, is because a lot of guys want to go "fast" and turn left, and the 6-cell "unmatched" stick pack is cheaper than a matched 4-cell pack. You say enforcing rules will make people leave, closer racing would make them stay. Sometimes there is only a 2 lap differnce between tq and lq in our class, and alot of the time the A main starting positions are divided by tenths of seconds not laps. The original purpose of the class was so that you could take all the stock parts, that you didn't use on your 10l and race with us. The rules are constantly evolving with the times. Originally, they started with delta rear pods. Fm radio gear, and expensive speedos were illegal. The motors used to stay at K/N and you would get a different one each week. That was true "spec" racing. I'm not sure how much pan-car racing you have done, but to run with the A-main guys you have to have the latest batteries, motors, and brushes. With rules like ours, you are limited, and there is where the cost stays down. Don't get me wrong, I would love to race in an all out mod class, with no rules, but if 10 guys can't afford top of the line batteries and motors, how long will it take before they get discouraged? I don't see any problems with 4-cell at steves, I just want to make sure I am always within the rules. Thats why I ask the questions I do.

I'd like to keep it simple and light by having only the winner go through tech. To me, winning would be worth the hassle of going through tech.


The 2-day race sounds like fun, but I'm going to pass. I might be able to go just on Friday, but I think I'll keep my car setup for Madness for now and enjoy the break.
Most 6-cell guys run the same setup at Steve's, sometimes a harder rf and smaller pinion. Don't have to change too much. Hope to see ya there.

I like the idea of the laid-back racing you guys have, but I do believe the rules the Madness group have are for good reasons and do work.
> The tire rule does need to be updated. From what I can tell, people are running exotic-compound tires in the SK class at Madness. I'd prefer we all eventually switch to Spec tires.
> I hope we stay with 6-cell, unmatched stick packs. These are still cheaper than race-grade 4-cell packs. While you can't buy your way to victory lane, you can buy some speed when it comes to batteries.
> I don't mind the brush rule because it keeps people from wasting money experiementing with different brushes. I've run my "R" brushes for three weeks and that motor hasn't slowed a bit. If the brush rule is removed, I know I'll switch to Reedy brushes that will be faster, but will only last one weekend at best.

I personally believe if the rules change at Madness that people should be given time to comply and anybody who shows up to race should be allowed to run even if their car is technically illegal.

The only problem with the spec tire, that I can see, Is Chris willing to stock them just for us? What happens if we need tires while we are at another track? Other than that, I think it is a great idea. Very easy to tech. On the other hand, if exotics are the same or close to the same price, and they don't wear as fast, is it better to open the rule up to any tire? A guy who has an S/K, but usually races pan-car, may be discouraged to race with us, because he has to buy special tires to do it. There are a few pan car guys who have S/K's, maybe they would run with us more often, if we left it open. I have expeirimented with exotics, I find that they are heavier and slow you down, when used in the rear. How much of an advantage would it really be? My lap times didn't change from standard to exotic tires. Maybe I wasn't using the correct ones. Either way, I'm a die-hard, I'll race the class no matter what, maybe I'm not the right guy to ask.
On the brush rule, I forgot to add that r brushes don't chew the comm as bad as others do. Again Save money, by getting more life out of a motor.

Some exotics are the same price as regular foam tires. In general, exotics are more expensive and there are a lot more options which means more money to spend search for the hot setup. Spec tires are cheaper than regular and exotic foam tires. I like the "no exotics" rule, but it seems impossible to tech. The Spec tires solve that problem and they are the cheapest option. I can't speak for Chris and if he wouldn't stock the Spec tires then, you're right, it's a dead issue. In that case, i say open up the tire rule, but be prepared to spend a little bit more money.

I also would never advocate turning someone away if they showed up without Spec tires.

The same can be said, just between different companie's standard compounds. For example trc blue=35-40, jaco blue=50-55, bsr blue=45-50, and cooper blue=60+. The same goes for all the other standard compounds between each company. I have never felt the need to be that technical on that front, I adjust with stagger more than slight tire differences. I feel that with 6-cells, and no rear suspension, we are limited to how much fine-tuning is possible.

Hello SK guys there is 4cell stock SK club racing on Wednesdays at KNRCSPEEDWAY racing starts 7:30 Doors open at 5. Paul

Hello SK guys there is 4cell stock SK club racing on Wednesdays at KNRCSPEEDWAY racing starts 7:30 Doors open at 5. Paul
what type of chassis do you guys run? What are your rules?

I dont think I will head up to K/N until after this 2 day race. then I will be up there maybe on a weds for practice before the winterblast.how many heats, how many people have showed up for 4 cell sk, fees etc....?

5-6 racers and the fee for racing is 12$ Paul

5-6 racers and the fee for racing is 12$ Paul
What type of cars do you guys run up there? Are they a solid chassis, or do they have a t-plate?

dosn't mater you can run either one Paul

Are the solid cars gonna be competitive with the cars with rear suspension? Does anyone run a solid chassis? Seems like a totally different class of racing.

i think they can be very competitive because they have the associated front end and if you get it right the car will handle to the best it can..unlike what i understand the newer excalibur cars have the old style non adjustable front end.. and the front end is also wider in the solid chassis cars.........

I was just thinking that with rear suspension the car would be able to carry more speed through the turns.

Any s/k guys (4or6cell) interested in doing some practice jan. 8th at speedzone?