Hello Everyone!!

First off, it's great to see everyone is as excited about the place as Angel and I are!! We are really looking forward to getting everything up and running asap!!

Here's a bit of info:

It is the green and white building that everyone is speaking of - Basically, exit from 275 onto Ford Rd. (east) and head down around 1.5 miles and make a left on Executive Dr. It's the 2nd industrial building on the left hand side behind the GFS Foods building. . The building is almost 10,000sqft with 7,500 of that being dedicated to race track/pit area. The rest will be the hobby shop and CEFX. We didn't plan on the building being all done up in the green and white but it really worked out that way!!

The new place is called "CEFX Raceway". Double the insurance to insure two companies running and operating from the same building seems a bit crazy. There are other small matters but that was the main issue. Sad, but the Halo name is being left behind with the old place in Toledo....

As far as parking - there are 25 spaces and I will check with the bowling alley to see about allowing for our overflow if need be.

Places to eat - It's Ford Rd...lol... Name it, it's within 15 minutes either way from the track!

Schedule - We will be returning to our full Halo schedule as soon as we are completly moved up to Westland. Basically:

Monday - Closed
Tues-Friday 2pm-9pm
Saturday 10am-9pm with racing starting around 6pm (earlier if needed)
Sunday 9am-6pm with racing starting around noon.

This is the schedule to get things up and running but it may change slightly as we possibly add racing/series on week nights. We also may alter hours to accomidate everyone better as now we have the luxery to not have to operate during specific mall hours.

Current Status:

Tommorow - Painting
Thursday - Possible painting, phones going in.
Friday - Hopefully down in Toledo finishing packing up and hopefully moving some stuff up.
Saturday/Sunday - If all is on schedule, major moving and if all that goes well possibly setting up hobby shop and preping things to lay the carpet and set-up the track.

A very special thanks goes out to Randy!!! He has seriously hooked us up and is in the process of painting the complete inside for us!! Everyone, next time you see him, thank him for helping us give everyone a killer place to race!!

The goal is to be moved in and up and running so we can be racing no later than New Years Eve!!

Lastly, we will check out the Vision Lanes parking lot to check what kind of condition it is in. If it looks decient, I will check with them to see if it would be possible to do some outside racing during the summer. No garantees but I will check into it.

I will post updates on how things are going over the next few days along with hours when we will be at the new place so if anyone is in the area they can feel free to stop in and check it out.

Back to work!!

Josh

How much is the new race fee? Is it going to be $15.00

LCC - Yes, the fees are now as follows:

$10.00 for the practice days
$15.00 for race days
$5.00 for additional class on race day

While I would like to keep the prices down where they were, we have to make sure to cover the increased overhead due to the size and nature of the new building. Halo was always so cold in the winter since we didn't have heat. Now, we have heat and it will be used to make it a comfortable atmosphere for everyone!! While we have estimates, we don't have actual #'s yet so we have to cover the bases to make sure we can progress to improve things further. I'm not looking to make my living off the track/hobby shop so any extra fees that we collect will be put right back into the hobby shop to stock parts for everyone as well as into the track and accomidations to make it hands down, one of the best places for r/c on the planet!! I think everyone saw what I require from a faclity from the origional Halo track. Hopefully, this will be the next level of r/c for us and everyone who comes out to enjoy it with us!!

Josh:

Hi,

Congrats on your new place!!!! to bad you couldn't bring the Halo name with you. the building sounds nice. and knowing you it will be one of the best tracks around. we can't wait for it to open. as for the race fees we pay the same for alot less when we go racing lately so you raising your fees a little isn't bad at all.

Thanks

Tim & Jason (Mini)

Josh - no matter what you call it, I think the nickname "Halo2" has already started to catch on. Doesn't help your brand name much, sorry. Commerica was really upset that they paid $20 million to brand the Tiger's home Commerica Park and the sports talk guys started calling it the CoPa.

Josh ,
This is GREAT news ! Let me know if you need any help with anything , I'm available until 3pm every weekday until the 22nd , and weekends .
Bob

Congrats Josh. I hope to make it down there to check it out. If you need any help setting up, just let us know. I have time off of work between the holidays. I know a few of us dirt guys are looking forward to starting up some rug racing too.

Josh,

This is great news. Ennjay is right, a lot of us dirt guys are very much looking forward to tearing up some carpet for a change. Plus, I'm looking forward to seeing you again. I used to race with you and your dad all the time in the old Jonimo hobby days. I see you finally got rid of the coke bottle glasses :D See you soon Josh.

Tony

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Josh,
Congratulations to you and Angel both. When you have a spare moment (those are are far and few between right now I bet), could you post an address so we can map-quest? I'd like to get a car load of folks to come up there from Pittsburgh, PA after the first of the year. Look forward to seeing the new digs.

-Dan

TC guy, from Pittsburgh, take I-76 west to I-80 west to toledo. Take the exit for I-280 north to I-75 north. In michigan, take exit 20 to I-275 north to exit 25, ford road. Go east past Hix road and you will see GFS on your left. Executive drive is right next to that building. CEFX Raceway (Halo2) is right behind GFS.

Tony

So does this mean the CEFX Raceway can have a CRL race?

$15 for a race entry, lets see $15 for 9hr of fun on a Sunday, or $1.66 per hour. Sounds cheap to me. If that isn't cheap enough, go on a Saturday. 11hr for $15, or $1.37 per hour.

I know I will be up there a couple times on Sat.

If Nick's not open in Lansing by January 20th, then a February CRL date at CEFX Raceway would not be out of the question. I may take some heat about a decision like that, but... let's think about it. Where do the CRL racers want to race if Lansing falls through?

Andrew and I say CEFX Raceway all the way. Lets get Josh off to a good start!
-Fred

Thanks Tony for the Directions, see you guys after the New Year.
Good luck in the mean time and Merry Christmas.
-Dan

Who is Randy? Gotta know who it is before we can thank him. :)

-Rich

Heck yeah I vote for the next crl race to be at Josh's!! I caint wait untill its open!!! its about time Mich, gets a kick ass race track. :thumbsup:


Jesse

Randy Bragg owns Trinity North Painting and can always be found pitting with my father and I. He runs a corally RDX.

I think the new $15.00 is a major increase in race fees!!!!!
It is an increase of 50% from the old race fee of $10.00
I think an increase of lets say 20% or $12.00 is more justified in todays economy.
If you race all 25 Sundays next year Oct 2006 - March 2007 your total race fees will be $375.00
If the race fee was $10.00 your total race fees for the year would be $250.00
That's $125.00 more per year at the higher race fee of $15.00

How many other tracks are charging $15.00 or even $12.00
Is Larry's R/C Track charging $15.00?

Flame suit on fire away Josh Fans!!!!!!!!! :wave:

It has nothing to do with whether we are Halo/Cefx fans or not. It comes down to economics.

1) Q: How many days does Larry's race? A: One day. That obviously shows that he does not put much emphasis on relying on racing to bring in income. So, whether he charges $5, $10, or $15 dollars in race fees is irrelevant.

2) If you would prefer he stay at Toledo and only charge $10 to race, how much would you be spending on gas to get there versus Canton? I am pretty sure you'll be eating up that $5 saved in gas.

3) Call up any commercial real estate company and ask them how much rent for 10,000 square feet in the Canton area goes for.

And, don't forget to factor in utilities, taxes.

Now, figure out how much a track needs to bring in a month to pay for all that.

There is a reason why so many tracks open and close in this area. The most recent example is RCScrewz. It is being able to make rent.

I am also assuming you have never done any other types of organized racing. SCCA Solo II is typically $10-$20 for 3 laps around the track (at least it was when I did it a few times a few years ago).

Also, look up how much it is to race at that indoor go-kart track in Sterling Heights. I'd look it up, but I can't remember the name of it.

-Rich

SCCA Club Racing: $125 per weekend for members and $225 to $350 for non members.

SCCA practice day: $80 to $100.

SCCA SoloII: $35 for 4 to 6 laps.

Kart2kart: $20 per 8 minute run or $50 for a 3 round, one practice race night.

Larry's: $10 on a pretty o.k. track and a 40 minute drive to get there.

CEFX Raceway: $15 on a super pro track and 5 miles from home.

I really hope that we won't see in your pits a new Turbo 35, a tire truer, top of the line transmitter, 2 stage tires, 2 new motors and 4 new 3800 battery packs and still hear complaining about 5 extra dollars to race. Or even $3, the difference you noted.

Maybe Larry's will cater more to the budget group of racers and Josh's will attract the Cleveland bigger spender crowds? Larry is talking about doing a Porsche series on Fridays where you buy the car, transmitter, battery pack, motor and race entry fees upfront, for a very low, reasonable cost. You must run the car box stock - no changes allowed. Sounds like fun and good racing for someone who has been affected by today's economy. But, don't expect to ask Josh to provide a top rate national level facility and still charge $10.

By the way, I love you Josh. :)

josh i hope you have some room in your schedule for us oval guys we've been looking for a good track to run on most of this year with nick not getting going we only have mp which is great but only runs once a month and bay city which is a little small it would be great to have you run oval even if only once or twice a month thanks al

"I am sure a lot of guys are more than willing to lend a hand to get the new track up and running.

Plus the one thing that has been the same since I started this hobby is the race fee, that is crazy if you think how much rent, lights, salaries, heat, etc have gone up. $15.00 is still a good deal. True we were using chariots to get to the track when I started but an increase seems fair to me."

Ted


What the guy above said on another thread

Ted

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LCC:

Hi,

we have to drive 100 miles to race on a 36x70 track get charged 15 bucks to get 3 heats and a main in less than 4 hrs. I will gladly drive 150+ pay 15.00 to race at CEFX than go to the other track. in fact we stopped going there because all you do is burn up tires and motors and never learn anything.
at Josh's you will do more than just drive around the track... a really well designed track....you'll learn. get to race with fast guys and knowing Josh a really well stocked hobby shop. you dont know how lucky you really have it. a awesome track so close.....
and yes I'm a fan of Josh's. ever since I've known him.

Thanks

SCCA Club Racing: $125 per weekend for members and $225 to $350 for non members.

SCCA practice day: $80 to $100.

SCCA SoloII: $35 for 4 to 6 laps.



When did you do SCCA racing? ALL SCCA events are the same price accross the nation. But if you are referring to club racing at Waterford Hills Road Racing (www.waterfordhills.com (http://www.waterfordhills.com)) then you would be complete. How does an ad guy like you forget the shameless plug???


I also heard that you will not be allowed to say "hey Josh" at the new track.

If the price is to high then don't come, I'm willing to pay to have a track so close not to mention that you get free advice from one of the worlds best racers.

When I was younger Riders Superspeedway cost $10 that was over 13 years ago with the rising cost of everything a $5 dollar increase over roughly 13 years is more then OK. I have also talked to more then one racer from other parts of the country and even other countries and $15 is still a fair if not a low price.

Lets do some math, my truck gets at best 18mpg Toledo is about 120 miles round trip for me thats about 6.6 gallons of gas. At a price of (lets go low on the price) $2.15 gallon thats $14.19 not including wear and tear. My brothers car gets like 35mpg so using the same numbers it costs about $7.37 not including wear and tear. So a $5 dollar increase is still OK. Now I know that this doesn't apply to everyone but I'm just using this to illustrate a point, $5 dollars is not that much of an increase.

If Larry's wants to raise the price to $15 it would be fine. That is something Larry has to decide for himself.

Yes, I'm a friend of Joshs (some could say a fan) he has my friendship and loyality because he has always treated me fairly, freely given me advice, also he has never lied to me and he has never bad mouthed me behind my back.

On a side note, I love when people hide behind screen names then start stuff, and yes I have a screen name but I tell you who I am so if someone has an issue they can address me personally.

You have to pay to play.

Later,
Bob Reilly

I think that a 3.00 raise in race fees for heat is not enough . I can tell you to live in a small home 3 bdr 1 bath my heat bill has almost increased 70% from last year .

so a 50% increase to have heat is a small price to pay!!!!

JOSH
I can not drive to help(due to my diabetes) but when you need help here just post it and I and many others will show up to do what is needed to get things going

I would love to see some stadium racing on a off night :wave:

THANK YOU
BOB

Hey Tim Exlby tell Jason I said HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!I hope to :hat: race with you guys at Josh's new track soon Jesse

Jesse:

Hi,

I'll tell Mini that......... he's 17. we'll be heading down as soon as it opens.
see ya soon.

Bob Reilly:

Hi,

Hope to see you at Josh's new track.
as for your math... I agree. only mine gets 12 MPG :(

RCSilly:

.............?

Will you be running oval too? I'd be there for sure as would some others I know.

RC

maybe we could get you to have one oval race a month, opposite the monthly race in mt. pleasant. i'm sure you could get at least 25 to 30 guys to show up for that!

I think the new $15.00 is a major increase in race fees!!!!!
It is an increase of 50% from the old race fee of $10.00
I think an increase of lets say 20% or $12.00 is more justified in todays economy.
If you race all 25 Sundays next year Oct 2006 - March 2007 your total race fees will be $375.00
If the race fee was $10.00 your total race fees for the year would be $250.00
That's $125.00 more per year at the higher race fee of $15.00

How many other tracks are charging $15.00 or even $12.00
Is Larry's R/C Track charging $15.00?

Flame suit on fire away Josh Fans!!!!!!!!! :wave:


Trust me, I want to keep the racing as cheap as possible so as many people as possible can enjoy the hobby. That's one of the major reasons I sell tires so cheap vs most other places in the World!! Tires are a major cost and I know saving a few bucks allows people more freedom in the pocket book to come race.

The increase in price for racing has to be done for a few reasons:

#1 - Location. Before we were in a much more remote location than we are now and to be in a more populated area is going to cost more. I can get into all the #'s but lets just say the price difference for me is huge and it would have to equal an individual 283 racers attending 25 Sundays to make up the cost difference in rent (yes, this did scare me when I worked out the #'s just now).... Trust me, you do not get rich owning a track. It is truely done for the love of the hobby.

#2 - The origional Halo did not have heat and it was only 6,400 sqft. The new place is 10,000 sqft and is heated. Now, I can turn the heat off and not turn on all the lights to save the money but really what is the point of that?? I know I would rather pay an extra $5.00 per day to stay warm and have good light to work and race under.

#3 - $15 is still cheap being that last week I was in Japan where it is approx (yen conversion) $30.00 for practice for the day and $45.00 for a club race. I think the struggle that r/c tracks have had to stay open over the years should clue everyone in that it is really tough to make a hobby shop/track work due to the size of the facility it requires. I give serious credit to Larry's for being able to make it work for all these years.

Today, loads of painting was done and it's really starting to look great in the track area. We measured the rest of the place out and tommorow more of the painting should be finished, phones will be installed and we will work on a few things from our inspections today (minor details). Saturday should be a big moving day and the final day for painting!! Saturday I hope to be rolling out the rug!!!

Well, time for sleep...

Josh

in wisconsin every good track charges 15 dollars to race one day.By good i mean a high class facility.. onsite shop ect... i have yet to go to a track under 12. i think we have two small tracks for 12 bucks... ive been to tracks all over the midwest and 15 is standard... some offer club discount rates with a pre season club fee.. but for the most part 15 bucks is pretty nice..
you get electricity
heat
a fun day of racing
a nice place to race.. ect ect..

try going to a movie, or bowling ect for 4-8 hours.... i can guarentee you will spend more then 15 bucks to have fun for the day.. personally i think for some facilities 15 isnt enough..sounds like Josh is going all out for everyone..

PS Josh i dont recomend driving the ferrari to the new place.. i know you can pay for it now with the fee increase.. LOL J/K good luck with the new place..

Is it still in Ohio or is it in Michigan now.. thanks

"try going to a movie, or bowling ect for 4-8 hours.... i can guarentee you will spend more then 15 bucks to have fun for the day.. personally i think for some facilities 15 isnt enough..sounds like Josh is going all out for everyone.."

Good point


I heavily doubt an extra $5 a week is going to make you not show up. For a good facility with good carpet and good pits? $5... What a bargain!

Josh... Please stock Yok sedan parts. Larry never has them, doesn't ever order a stock, and I hate having to wait for him to order.

Thanks and good luck with the move. Can't wait.

It's in Michigan now.


Josh,

Thanks for saving my chauffeurs money. Now I have to waste a half a gallon of gas to get to the new track.:cry:

You raise the price and it costs me an extra $2.15 to get there. For shame....:mad:

Actually, thanks for all of the help over the years and I am glad it is closer. I can't wait to run at the new facility and if you need anything, i'm about 9-10 miles away.

Talk to ya later,

Tim

I think the new $15.00 is a major increase in race fees!!!!!
It is an increase of 50% from the old race fee of $10.00
I think an increase of lets say 20% or $12.00 is more justified in todays economy.
If you race all 25 Sundays next year Oct 2006 - March 2007 your total race fees will be $375.00
If the race fee was $10.00 your total race fees for the year would be $250.00
That's $125.00 more per year at the higher race fee of $15.00

How many other tracks are charging $15.00 or even $12.00
Is Larry's R/C Track charging $15.00?

Flame suit on fire away Josh Fans!!!!!!!!! :wave:

Ooo godforbid that the price goes up! well here is a simple solution for you, if $15.00 is to much to race at the new place then don't race!

What about the price increase the track owner has to pay i.e higher rent, higher insurance, higher heating bill etc...

No one wants the price to go up on anything but it does!, so if it cost $5.00 more to race at what will be a top notch facility then dig a little deeper.
Hell we have all wasted $5.00 on dumber stuff.

Josh Good Luck with CEFX Raceway!

enough said.

Dude... if you all get free advise from Josh,, then why does he charge me :confused:



The gate charges 15.00. The phrase "tighten it up" actually comes from Tighten up your racign budget so that you can afford to race here.... LMAO... kidding..

15.00 aint the end of the world.. inflation baby. In 1993 when i started racing.. it cost 10.00... it has to go up some time.. at least he has justification for it. Meaning new bigger, better facility.

Will the track be bigger Josh? I ask just because one time, in band camp... i talked to this nameless guy about when you would get the carpet nats and he said that Halo was too small. It was news to me.. but yah...

ALSO.. and a BIG ALSO... will the pit spots be bigger? ;)

This newyears eve race... sounds interesting.. will it be a newyears eve, race and party? Where else would RC racers like to ring in the new year than at an RC track ;)...

KB

Is there an ETA yet for the first race?

Is there an ETA yet for the first race?

That would be an ETFR.

I thought he said newyears eve???

I thought he said newyears eve???

Ye'ah... please try to pay attention Greg.

Josh said "The goal is to be moved in and up and running so we can be racing no later than New Years Eve!!"

Not that "hey guys the first race is on New Years Eve" Hammiey I'll bet you a case of my favorite beverage taht Josh is up and running well before that date.... oops, wait a sec, you owe me a cases already.... i bet you forgot about that one...

Paid in full Greg. Remember, I let you ride in my beer truck to Waterford.

What would that favorite beverage be--Wine!




Josh said "The goal is to be moved in and up and running so we can be racing no later than New Years Eve!!"

Not that "hey guys the first race is on New Years Eve" Hammiey I'll bet you a case of my favorite beverage taht Josh is up and running well before that date.... oops, wait a sec, you owe me a cases already.... i bet you forgot about that one...

Paid in full Greg. Remember, I let you ride in my beer truck to Waterford.

Keith, I can honestly say I have not, nor have the desire to ride anything of yours...

Keith, I can honestly say I have not, nor have the desire to ride anything of yours...
LIAR!!!

Keith:

Check your PM's
or give me a call.

also in your PM's

Is the track open yet? Sheesh. :p

Rich:

Gee.... you sound like Jason. he's aready firguring out just how fast I can drive without getting a ticket vs. time on the road to the track. minus sleep time. = total track time. (and K2K)
you sure youre not hiring?????? (j/k)