A record breaking day at the "Dungeon" for a regular show. A total of 41 racers were on hand to participate in the biggest single day regular show event to date!! The competition was awesome with the best RC Racers in the region showing up to lay it down on the track. There were a total of 9 - Trucks, 7 - Sprints and a whopping 25 - EDM's on hand!! Personally speaking it was the best racing that I have seen in my short time in this sport... what a great day!!! The racing was close all day and just the slightest mistake on the track cost you a shot at the A Main!! It looked like everyone enjoyed themselves and had a good time. Hopefully we can continue the momentum and make it the largest regular series event in Upstate New York!!! This would certainly be the group you want to run against if you are looking to test your skills against the best rc drivers!!! Calvin and I would like to sincerely thank all of you for making the trip to the dungeon and putting on a great show!!! Now... if we can just get some more trucks to show up!!

Here are the results:

Big Block Truck Results:

TQ - Jack Howland 67 laps 5m02.733

1st - Keith Lesh 80 laps 6m03.607
2nd - Jack Howland 80 laps 6m04.336
3rd - Keith Devendorf 79 laps 6m01.351

Small Block Truck Results:

TQ - Jeff Kloos 65 laps 5m04.122

1st - Bill Karl 79 laps 6m02.079
2nd - Jeff Kloos 78 laps 6m00.988
3rd - Frank DeGaetano
4th - Jesse Parks

Sportsman Truck Results:

TQ - Caleb Hall 51 laps 5m03.923

1st - Sue Ross 47 laps 5m01.848
2nd - Caleb "Q" Hall 45 laps 5m06.644

On a side note - this one was one of the most enjoyable races. Sue and Caleb put on a good show and all who were watching enjoyed it! Sue... don't be affraid to use that bumper on Caleb... he has no problem using it himself lol lol!!!

Sprint Car Results:

TQ - Ron Ingison 72 laps 5m03.370

1st - Dave Gruel 84 laps 6m00.054
2nd - Ron Ingison 82 laps 6m04.012
3rd - Jim Cronk 79 laps 6m00.017
4th - Mike Woods 79 laps 6m02.649
5th - Chris Manford 76 laps 6m03.289
6th - Jeff Winzens 67 laps 6m05.161
7th - Jan Poyneer 9 laps 1m06.651

What a race the Sprinters put on. This class is here to stay and looks like it will be growing next week. These cars are awesome on the track and with the Klein cars coming in it should be an exciting class in the future as well. We will be having some great deals on the Klein kits if anyone is interested!!!

Small Block EDM Results:

TQ - John Vollick 71 lap 5m01.166

1st - Sean "Meatball" Leonard 79 laps 6m02.733
2nd - Jason Blum 77 laps 6m00.995
3rd - Tim Samay 75 laps 6m03.906
4th - Mike Corbett 67 laps 6m01.940
5th - Joe Rodrigues 66 laps 6m00.601
6th - Cliff Weeks 66 laps 6m02.436
7th - John Vollick -DNS-

Big Block EDM Results:

TQ - Bob Mott 79 laps 5m02.247

D Main

1st - Mike Alivero
2nd - Dave Gruel - DNS -
3rd - Barry Wallace - DNS -

C Main

1st - Kevin "Cory Stinks" Doty 88 laps 6m04.697
2nd - Jeff Winzens 87 laps 6m04.941
3rd - BJ Bocyck 85 laps 6m02.126
4th - Brian McDonald 84 laps 6m00.945
5th - Mike Alivero (BU) 83 laps 6m01.329
6th - Steve Harris 83 laps 6m03.063

B Main

1st - Shannon Pitcher 92 laps 6m01.862
2nd - Nick Demling 91 laps 6m02.200
3rd - Jason Heid 91 laps 6m08.130
4th - Mike Phinney 88 laps 6m08.935
5th - Zach Wojciechowski 85 laps 6m00.734
6th - Kevin Doty (BU) 20 laps 1m27.220

A Main

1st - Bob Mott 94 laps 6m00.452
2nd - Shannon Pitcher (BU) 92 laps 6m00.246
3rd - Dylan Watier 91 laps 6m02.481
4th - Solly 91 laps 6m03.687
5th - Billy Kimpton 90 laps 6m02.188
6th - Jeff Hotaling 66 laps 4m46.593

Great run from Shannon using the Bump Up and finishing second!!

Guys we were a little tight on the pit spaces but we will have more available next week. Again it was a great show with a lot of respectful and close racing. Look forward to next week for some more rc racing action at the dungeon!!!!

Art
Redneck RC Raceway

I hear that the last two friday nights, the same racer was using shady motors, wrong arm in the wrong can,and it was discovered during last weeks "behind closed doors" tech inspection

then this past friday night 12/3 , the owner told a concerned racer, that he didn't want to lose a racer so again nothing was done to the person for the 2nd week in a row

things that make you go mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, any truth to this???

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

that aint right.... i heard about the shady motor from last week in jamestown last night! who cares if the guy puts up a stink, he's cheating! throw him out.

Here we go with the rumor mill.... anyways that is absolutely incorrect. The motor was questioned last week for not so obvious reasons and this past Friday night there was speculation that he ran one in the B Main (we currently do not inspect for B Main but will begin to this Friday)!! In any event the driver has already been talked to and was told by me that if it happens again he is banned from Redneck RC... and no offense to anyone but the racers $12 is not that important to me!!! What is is that people respect the rules and abid by them. BTW.... the closed door inspections had about 6 people in there so I guess what your saying is we are all guilty of letting someone cheat..... gee you sound like a conspiracy buff lol!!!

If most of these people would spend more time working on their R/C stuff and not on the computers they would be winning instead of whining about how they got beat. how can a motor be called shady when it's stock? I only know of a few tracks that actually spell out the rules on what a legal stock motor is. Roar defines pretty clearly in their rules about what you can and can't do with a stock. Quite frankly put i think the rules are somewhat dumb, but thats what you get when the motor manufacturers influence the rule book. None of that matters though when the tracks won't step up and say- here's the rules, follow them. Everyone just says stock and interprets the rules the way they think they are. From what i understand also after talking to the "driver" in question,there was nothing said last Friday night about a motor. If there was a question about his motor, why wasn't it teched after the A-Main? Anyone that was there could see it wasn't changed after the B-Main. What makes anyone think that a motor will make you win there anyhow? I've raced there, 50% handling,40% driver and 10% motor. If you can't win you need to work on the big two parts, not the small one. Art, not trying to be offensive here, but with the issues on tech and there already being alot of controversy about the whole tech process you follow there, why not just open the rules up and run mod motors? It seems like the whole process and all is creating more problems than it has fixed. Nothing against those who are teching, i know them all and there all great guys, but there is alot of resistance to having a competitor tech a car after it beat them.Not trying to be offensive here, but it looks bad also when a "tech" guy goes from the B-Main to winning the A-Main in one week. Try to look at it from the guy on the outside who's thinking about coming there to race. You have a good thing going there, don't let little issues screw it up and cost you racers. Sorry to rant on so long guys, but it kinda makes me a little bit mad when i see someone work so hard to win races and the first word that comes out when they do is " cheater".

If most of these people would spend more time working on their R/C stuff and not on the computers they would be winning instead of whining about how they got beat. how can a motor be called shady when it's stock? I only know of a few tracks that actually spell out the rules on what a legal stock motor is. Roar defines pretty clearly in their rules about what you can and can't do with a stock. Quite frankly put i think the rules are somewhat dumb, but thats what you get when the motor manufacturers influence the rule book. None of that matters though when the tracks won't step up and say- here's the rules, follow them. Everyone just says stock and interprets the rules the way they think they are. From what i understand also after talking to the "driver" in question,there was nothing said last Friday night about a motor. If there was a question about his motor, why wasn't it teched after the A-Main? Anyone that was there could see it wasn't changed after the B-Main. What makes anyone think that a motor will make you win there anyhow? I've raced there, 50% handling,40% driver and 10% motor. If you can't win you need to work on the big two parts, not the small one. Art, not trying to be offensive here, but with the issues on tech and there already being alot of controversy about the whole tech process you follow there, why not just open the rules up and run mod motors? It seems like the whole process and all is creating more problems than it has fixed. Nothing against those who are teching, i know them all and there all great guys, but there is alot of resistance to having a competitor tech a car after it beat them.Not trying to be offensive here, but it looks bad also when a "tech" guy goes from the B-Main to winning the A-Main in one week. Try to look at it from the guy on the outside who's thinking about coming there to race. You have a good thing going there, don't let little issues screw it up and cost you racers. Sorry to rant on so long guys, but it kinda makes me a little bit mad when i see someone work so hard to win races and the first word that comes out when they do is " cheater".

I was there, Chico had a shady motor, would not sell it for $100! I watched him change it for the A main, so did a number of people!

Enough said!

Get your facts straight before you type that much!

BTW, Art is doing a great job, its too bad some people have to push the rules!

First... you have to be kidding me that this is still going on!!! Please don't give me that crap about what a stock motor is... 27Turns, Don't touch the can, don't touch the armature except for cutting and cleaning, no hybrids you have been doing this long enough to know what a stock motor is!! Those are pretty simple rules but if you needed them written up there they are. Also, as you pointed out, Geo going from the B main to a win shows how much he has worked on the other 2 aspects of his car that you said would help improve someone and he was teched by other drivers and he did get a little help from Jeff spinning... if you have a problem with tech behind closed doors and fellow racers teching.... why in the hell would you want it out in the open so all drivers can see. I would be more than happy to have tech people that didn't race... just find some for me and no problem!! Also the driver in question DID change the motor after the B Main... everyone who was paying any attention saw it!!

Now I certainly do not want to lose any racers over something so petty and I don't think the tech process is a big deal at all and neither does the vast majority of racers... the only ones that seem to have a problem with it, threaten to not show up and are trying hard to turn this into a controversy, are the ones looking to cheat in the first place. Also... if you feel as though you have to continually cheat than I will say thank you but please do not show up anymore... it is not worth the $12 to continually be worried if your cheating and have to try and tech every round and waste everyones time!!!

One more note just to make things clear... when one of the tech guys gets chosen for tech, they do not help in the tech process and their cars are tech'd just like anyone elses: case in point... Geo and Solly both had to be teched and Cory and Kevin Doty helped to do the teching... so there will always be a few guys doing the teching. I don't want to hear any crap about how we are conspiring against someone... IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN ON MY WATCH!!! And stop with "The rules need to be written up", I just gave them to you and they are pretty clear to me but just in case here are all 4 rules:

1) Stock 27 Turn
2) Don't touch the can except for cleaning
3) Don't touch the armature except for cleaning and cutting the comm
4) No Hybrids period

You all have been doing this long enough to know what a stock motor is and the rookies are lucky to know what a motor is let alone tweak it!

All I can say is "If your not cheating your not worrying about Tech Inspection"

Enough said on the subject....

amen, art! but, cory and kevin as backup tech guys? we all know they can be bought for a 6 pack of Genny Cream Ale

LMAO... a whole new controversy... lol

amen, art! but, cory and kevin as backup tech guys? we all know they can be bought for a 6 pack of Genny Cream Ale

Can't do the crean ale, but anything light.............

Preach it Art!!!!

I was there, Chico had a shady motor, would not sell it for $100! I watched him change it for the A main, so did a number of people!

Enough said!

Get your facts straight before you type that much!


I have my facts straight there buddy. If you want the right info go to the man. Chico is my brother by the way, don't be alll whiny because you can't make an A-Main. If you would have been with him all day friday and seen him working on his motors you would relize that every motor he had with him was a stock anyhow.

First... you have to be kidding me that this is still going on!!! Please don't give me that crap about what a stock motor is... 27Turns, Don't touch the can, don't touch the armature except for cutting and cleaning, no hybrids you have been doing this long enough to know what a stock motor is!! Those are pretty simple rules but if you needed them written up there they are. Also, as you pointed out, Geo going from the B main to a win shows how much he has worked on the other 2 aspects of his car that you said would help improve someone and he was teched by other drivers and he did get a little help from Jeff spinning... if you have a problem with tech behind closed doors and fellow racers teching.... why in the hell would you want it out in the open so all drivers can see. I would be more than happy to have tech people that didn't race... just find some for me and no problem!! Also the driver in question DID change the motor after the B Main... everyone who was paying any attention saw it!!

Now I certainly do not want to lose any racers over something so petty and I don't think the tech process is a big deal at all and neither does the vast majority of racers... the only ones that seem to have a problem with it, threaten to not show up and are trying hard to turn this into a controversy, are the ones looking to cheat in the first place. Also... if you feel as though you have to continually cheat than I will say thank you but please do not show up anymore... it is not worth the $12 to continually be worried if your cheating and have to try and tech every round and waste everyones time!!!

One more note just to make things clear... when one of the tech guys gets chosen for tech, they do not help in the tech process and their cars are tech'd just like anyone elses: case in point... Geo and Solly both had to be teched and Cory and Kevin Doty helped to do the teching... so there will always be a few guys doing the teching. I don't want to hear any crap about how we are conspiring against someone... IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN ON MY WATCH!!! And stop with "The rules need to be written up", I just gave them to you and they are pretty clear to me but just in case here are all 4 rules:

1) Stock 27 Turn
2) Don't touch the can except for cleaning
3) Don't touch the armature except for cleaning and cutting the comm
4) No Hybrids period

You all have been doing this long enough to know what a stock motor is and the rookies are lucky to know what a motor is let alone tweak it!

All I can say is "If your not cheating your not worrying about Tech Inspection"

Enough said on the subject....

Wow, i'm quite impressed, a battery looks kinda like a motor don't it? Art, with the way things are run back to back down there, you barely have enough time to change a battery, much less talk about a motor. Like I said on the last post, i know what my brother took with him for motors and I've talked to him quite alot about what happened down there last week. What happened is crap anyhow and for this kinda stuff to be on the forum is just plain immature. If there was a question it should have been adressed then, after the B-Main when it happened, not monday morning on the computer forums. Why not just come out and say your going with the Roar rules for motors? That way the racers can go to Roar and download a rule book and know exactly where they stand. You took the whole comment on Geo all wrong, I never said Geo did anything to cheat or that nature to win, I stated a simple fact that to the casual observer looking at results, what happened in a weeks time looked kinda suspicious. It really has nothing to do with the open or behind closed doors tech, it has all to do with the fact that fellow competitiors are teching. It just seems wrong. Every other track owner doesn't seem to have a problem doing tech themselves. You seem awful defensive anytime another promoter criticizes anything you do there. This whole thing amazes me about how it was handled. If you want to talk more about this feel free to send me an e-mail and we'll talk. later

Chris Taylor
promoter- Chico's R/C Speedway, Lafargeville,NY

Wow, i'm quite impressed, a battery looks kinda like a motor don't it? Art, with the way things are run back to back down there, you barely have enough time to change a battery, much less talk about a motor. Like I said on the last post, i know what my brother took with him for motors and I've talked to him quite alot about what happened down there last week. What happened is crap anyhow and for this kinda stuff to be on the forum is just plain immature. If there was a question it should have been adressed then, after the B-Main when it happened, not monday morning on the computer forums. Why not just come out and say your going with the Roar rules for motors? That way the racers can go to Roar and download a rule book and know exactly where they stand. You took the whole comment on Geo all wrong, I never said Geo did anything to cheat or that nature to win, I stated a simple fact that to the casual observer looking at results, what happened in a weeks time looked kinda suspicious. It really has nothing to do with the open or behind closed doors tech, it has all to do with the fact that fellow competitiors are teching. It just seems wrong. Every other track owner doesn't seem to have a problem doing tech themselves. You seem awful defensive anytime another promoter criticizes anything you do there. This whole thing amazes me about how it was handled. If you want to talk more about this feel free to send me an e-mail and we'll talk. later

Chris Taylor
promoter- Chico's R/C Speedway, Lafargeville,NY

Wow you have no clue

Wow, i'm quite impressed, a battery looks kinda like a motor don't it? Art, with the way things are run back to back down there, you barely have enough time to change a battery, much less talk about a motor. Like I said on the last post, i know what my brother took with him for motors and I've talked to him quite alot about what happened down there last week. What happened is crap anyhow and for this kinda stuff to be on the forum is just plain immature. If there was a question it should have been adressed then, after the B-Main when it happened, not monday morning on the computer forums. Why not just come out and say your going with the Roar rules for motors? That way the racers can go to Roar and download a rule book and know exactly where they stand. You took the whole comment on Geo all wrong, I never said Geo did anything to cheat or that nature to win, I stated a simple fact that to the casual observer looking at results, what happened in a weeks time looked kinda suspicious. It really has nothing to do with the open or behind closed doors tech, it has all to do with the fact that fellow competitiors are teching. It just seems wrong. Every other track owner doesn't seem to have a problem doing tech themselves. You seem awful defensive anytime another promoter criticizes anything you do there. This whole thing amazes me about how it was handled. If you want to talk more about this feel free to send me an e-mail and we'll talk. later

Chris Taylor
promoter- Chico's R/C Speedway, Lafargeville,NY

OK, where do I start?
1st. We all know what a battery and a motor looks like.

2nd. So, you, who was not there, are calling 3 to 5 people liars, who were there (keep up, there were a lot of commas there)

3rd. Every stock track follows roar stock rules unless posted.

4. You questioned my being in the B main. This has nothing to do with the driver. Only a guilty person starts to spread the blame. Besides, I made the show on Sunday with a much more competitive field.

5. Your comment about Geo sounds like your grasping for straws, which is what your entire argument is.

6. I have no idea why I am arguing with you, my mother told me once, never argue with a fool. Its obvious who is alone in this argument.

So, this is the cliff notes:
Chico cheated, would not sell his motor for $100, and then had his brother try and take up for him.

Any questions????

PS I am in no way your "buddy"!

First... not defensive at all about your criticism... just getting tired of hearing it from a whopping two people one being you. I race too so I guess I can't tech either!!

Second... concentrate on promoting your own track!

Third - you started this whole thing with your post so you need to deal with the feedback, lets talk about defensive!

Fourth - for being a track promoter someone might want to show you the difference between a battery and a motor since you think they look the same. You might want to give up trying to be sarcastic... you don't do it very well!

Fifth - You are the one that made the comment about Geo and trying to raise suspicion about it and stir up the pot!!

Sixth - Its great that all the other track promoters/owners do their own tech... I CHOOSE TO DO IT DIFFERENT... which I think is my right to do. Why critize something that has never been done before. Why not let it play out and see how it goes.

Seventh - there is absolutely nothing wrong with having fellow racers on a competition committee and teching, if it is a stock motor (and we are talking about ONLY stock motors) than there is nothing to worry about right!

And finally... where are all the other posts to back you up that people think it is wrong. We have been doing it for almost three weeks now and nothing until some issues with Chico, now comes the criticism from his brother. Gee that has to make one wonder all in itself. I have absolutely no problem with Chico and welcome him everytime he comes to race. I can't say thanks enough to the guys from watertown that make the trip everyweek. It IS greatly appreciated!!

I will say it again "If your not cheating your not worrying about Tech Inspection"... pretty plain and simple to me!!

Almost forgot... are you saying that I run the show to fast with your back to back comment because if you are you have to be kidding me with that one... I gotta tell you I have not had one person say "Art, your going to fast slow down the show".

wow,i feel ohnerd to be part of the gossip. let me address a couple of things.ive been racing for god knows how long and i admit im not the fastest guy out there but i can hold my own. i make the "A" a majority of the time but i would be lieing if i said i didnt spend some time in the "B" or hell even the "C". lets talk about how i have been doing at redneck. i have been in the "B" some but not alot. i have been pretty consitent in placing my car in the "A".im holding onto 2nd in the points, you dont do that by racing in the "B"

lets get one thing clear, i didnt cheat ,never have in my entire time racing rc.theres no reason to cheat. if you feel you need to cheat to win, youre already a loser.the motor i ran the night i won is a monster stock with putnam green and blue brush set.(oops theres my speed secrete).

now, a cheater motor.....hmmm i think your brother knows what one looks like.that night he was called into the room and told he was dqued,played stupid and then stated we didnt have any rules wrote down so we decided to let it slide on a technacality.he was told not to run that motor or any other motor of that nature.it was told to NO ONE that he cheated,just the techs behind the closed door knew.now if we had teched it in the open everyone would know. so, so much about the behind the door conspirecy.in this instance it protected your brother.now to show up and race with a motor of that nature again just showed a disrespect for fellow racers.

you guys have been into the hobby long enough to know what is legal and what is not. all this bs didnt get started by teching or talking about it on the web,it happened because somone was caught cheating.plain and simple.do i know for sure that your brother cheated the 2nd friday ? nope i didnt tech it.at that point it was pretty obviouse to many of the racers at the track. still it was never proven that he did so i myself dont even care about the 2nd friday night.it is already proven that he cheated once and once you cheat your labled.

now on a personal level. i like both of you guys, have no gripes with ya on anything but the above.i just want to race , have it fun for everyone and fair. maybe for next season the rules should be left to open motor and we can all run 19t. who knows.lets just race.

i say "good day"

wow..can u feel the heat off of this thread...wow e wow wow

Well said Geo!

You guys are still going on about this..unbelieveable!

I don't know of anyone who thinks a hybrid is a legal stock motor anywhere, 'cept maybe the Canadians at R/C World. LOL!

Who cares who is teching the motors? Its either legal or its not...not too much of a grey area.

You guys are still going on about this..unbelieveable!

I don't know of anyone who thinks a hybrid is a legal stock motor anywhere, 'cept maybe the Canadians at R/C World. LOL!

Who cares who is teching the motors? Its either legal or its not...not too much of a grey area.

Thank you!!! I too am having a hard time figuring out what the big deal is! It is pretty simple... maybe that is the problem all in itself lol!!!

You guys are still going on about this..unbelieveable!

I don't know of anyone who thinks a hybrid is a legal stock motor anywhere, 'cept maybe the Canadians at R/C World. LOL!

Who cares who is teching the motors? Its either legal or its not...not too much of a grey area.



johnpublic, i have yet to have cought someone with a hybrid motor here at R/C World.

i was reading this thread to get some info about the track in fulton, a friend told me it was having good turnouts, and some of us up north like to come down and play in the dirt.

what day of the week do you run on? what time do the races start?

junior barnes
r/c world & raceway
massena, ny

I am talking about R/C World in Hamilton, Ont....its an outdoor dirt track.

well that clears up alot...

cause we got a carpet track up north in massena, new york, and i was checking out this thread cause there are a few of us who wanna come down and race on the dirt.

the former owner of Rednecks and his boy race here and have been telling me that it opened again.

i was there in 98 or 99 when jack owned the place, awsome track with lots of room.

so what day of the week do they race on and what time do the races start?

friday nights, start time at 7pm, Sunday afternoons, start time at Noon ( I think)

We would love to have you check it out Junior... bring some friends... it's funny because I have some relatives (wifes family) that live in Messena and I was asking them on Saturday if they new about your track. I didn't know it was carpet only... need to get some dirt lol!! We race Friday nights starting at 7:00 PM and Sunday at Noon. Pop me an email and let me know if you plan on making the trip sometime.

Thanks
Art
Redneck RC
amcmanus@redneckrc.com

we race sunday's at noon also... so i might be down on a friday night, i have to get a dirt fix every now and then.:cool:


any specials, trophy, or money races coming up?

we race sunday's at noon also... so i might be down on a friday night, i have to get a dirt fix every now and then.:cool:


any specials, trophy, or money races coming up?

We are working on a couple right now for late January and early March... will keep you posted!! Should be announcing them soon!!

which one is going to be called the SollyRules Invitational?

hhhhmmmmm.... got to think about that one lol!!