Who here likes to listen to the Star Trek TMP soundtrack or have the movie on in the background while working on the 1/350 refit?

Oooh! Oooh! Me! :D

Well, except for that "while working on the 1/350 refit" part. :roll:

Mine's still in the box. But I like listening to the TMP soundtrack - as well as the soundtrack from TWoK, BSG Miniseries, BSG Season One, and SW: ANH. Great stuff.

Haven't started the refit yet (it's third in line), but the score to "ST:TMP" is one of my all-time faves. Great stuff.

I love the TMP score and listen to it often, but when I am working on my models, I usually listen to the score from ST: Insurrection. I find the themes created for that film are more conducive to relaxing and keeping me focused.

When I am finished with my refit, then I will play "The Enterprise" over and over again as I view my triumph.

The TMP soundtrack is very majestic!

Too bad I only have a taped-off-the-vinyl-record copy that I'm sure is probably all scratchy and deteriorated.

I'll have to find another copy someday.

The Klingon theme is one of the best pieces of music Goldsmith ever wrote, IMHO.

i agree martin. i use soundtracks when sculpting often, and if im doing a licensed character, usually have the film running in the backgrround.

TMP is a wonderful score. It depicts a vast, epic scale which the later films, although superior in story and pacing, somehow lack.

The Klingon theme, in particular, together with those fantastic visuals, really let you know that you were not watching a large-scale TV show, but a larger-than-life feature film. I agree with John in that it is one of the best scores that Goldsmith ever wrote. I never tire of listening to it.

Count me in!
Like John said,also!
When I hear the The Enterprise theme, when in the Dry Dock, when we see her for the first time, I always feel like Kirk.

I hope you have the 20th anniversary edition soundtrack. A must have.

I don't know about calling it Goldsmith's best score overall. While I think the Klingon theme is his best work, I never liked the nautical marching-band overbearingness of the main theme - the one that got stolen for The Next Generation. Or maybe I'm just sick of hearing it :).

I like That STTMP Theme right at the Opening of the Film as we see the Klingons cruising along this piece has that (for lack of a better word) "Finger Snapping" and ends with the "Spring-Like" sound of "V'ger" as it uh ...absorbs the Ships. Real Latin Sounding imho or Maybe Greek Bellydancing, I always loved this Piece


John/Lonfan

I don't know about calling it Goldsmith's best score overall. While I think the Klingon theme is his best work, I never liked the nautical marching-band overbearingness of the main theme - the one that got stolen for The Next Generation. Or maybe I'm just sick of hearing it :).

Odd, as I only find the non-thematic stuff annoying. The main theme, at least the TMP orchestration of it, is something I find to be among the very best themes Goldsmith ever did, along with PATTON and BREAKHEART PASS. I've always found that the TMP theme avoids that very marching band John Williams feel of many spacepics, as well as avoding the graduation day sound of other sf scores like McCarthy's GENERATIONS.

Just wish there were some visuals to accompany it, something like the E doing Falcon/Jedi action on a fleet of baddies.

What a coincidence!
I just listened to it tonight, just because I wanted to!
I, also, am tired of the main theme.
The rest, however, is great!
I love the theme when Spock is getting shunned by the
Kohlinar elders.

:wave: Guilty as charged! :wave:

I put in my WOK DVD last night while doing a little refit dry-fitting. :thumbsup:

I love the main theme. I hated it when STNG took it for it's theme. I felt cheated. I always thought of the main theme as the Federation March.
After this thread started, I listened to the CD again, just great stuff. I need to watch the movie again.

The track "Enterprise" sometimes causes me to shed a tear at the point where we get the bow shot of the Big-E for the first time... :cry:

The Pipe Organ is a nice addition!

The Pipe Organ is a nice addition!
Yea , kinda gives me of an erie feelin'. (unknown but scarey)
know what I mean ??? :)

My favorite theme in all the Trek movies was Spock's theme in WOK. It only lasts a few minutes on the soundtrack but it captures the human/alien mystery of Spock. I don't know if it's considered a great piece of music, but I always thought it was perfect for Spock.

My favorite theme in all the Trek movies was Spock's theme in WOK. It only lasts a few minutes on the soundtrack but it captures the human/alien mystery of Spock. I don't know if it's considered a great piece of music, but I always thought it was perfect for Spock.

I remember an old interview with the composer mentioning that on this piece of music, he chose to use an odd or rare instrument called an ondes martinot (have no idea how close that spelling is) to give the impression of something human but different. Might be one of his more inspired choices.

I really do think Horner is one of the most derivative composers of the century (even self-derivative to an amazing shameless degree), but the stuff usually works in the context of the films he does. It still annoys me when I am watching a late 80s or early 90s Horner movie and I start hearing his music from 48HRS yet again, or Louise Fletcher's death music from BRAINSTORM. A lot of TWOK sounds like he recycled Goldsmith's TORA TORA TORA, but it is at least fun to hear, and energetic as well (i've probably done more writing to side 2 of the TWOK LP than to any other album.)

Horner is often referred to as a "parts box" composer. :)

Who here likes to listen to the Star Trek TMP soundtrack or have the movie on in the background while working on the 1/350 refit?Guilty As Charged!!

I always put in the applicable dvd for what ever subject I may be working on for inspiration.

I love the TMP soundtrack.
I have whatever that special edition one was with more of the interior V'ger stuff.

Goldsmith was one of my fav's.
IMHO he reused previous thems from movie to movie the least.

I really do think Horner is one of the most derivative composers of the century (even self-derivative to an amazing shameless degree), but the stuff usually works in the context of the films he does. It still annoys me when I am watching a late 80s or early 90s Horner movie and I start hearing his music from 48HRS yet again, or Louise Fletcher's death music from BRAINSTORM.Any composer who's scored dozens of movies, each with 90 or more minutes of music, is bound to repeat himself to some degree. With the possible exceptions of Body Heat and Dances With Wolves, don't ALL of John Barry's scores sound more or less like James Bond?

Any composer who's scored dozens of movies, each with 90 or more minutes of music, is bound to repeat himself to some degree. With the possible exceptions of Body Heat and Dances With Wolves, don't ALL of John Barry's scores sound more or less like James Bond?

there's a big dif between sounding similar and sounding like they've been tracked, which is what happens with Horner. Listen to 48HRS and then listen to COMMANDO, or RED HEAT (even IMDB has got Prokofiev listed as 'uncredited' since horner once again swipes the old ice battle cue he pilfered in KHAN and COCOON) and GORKY PARK, or WOLFEN and ALIENS, or ALIENS, PATRIOT GAMES, probably a few others to hear him rip off that exercise in centrifuge classical piece from 2001.

there are lots of barrys that sound different, but you can definitely tell them by decade (same is true for Goldsmith), as SOMEWHERE IN TIME sounds like PEGGY SUE. And the Bond scores are very different as well - LIVING DAYLIGHTS doesn't sound like the great brassy Connery era films at all, but still manages to deliver a wonderful love theme (the only piece of film music I know that EVERY woman likes, in fact) and a really good adventure cut for the Hercules takeoff.

The only composer I can think of who is as blatant with ripoffs of other folks as Horner would be Lalo Schifrin. His LONE WOLF MCQUADE is pretty much Morricone's ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST, and his BLACK MOON RISING is awful close to Rubinstein's BLUE THUNDER. BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS plays like a compendium of Goldsmith/Williams riffs from the 70s, seguing from PATTON to TOWERING INFERNO to GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY. Well orchestrated, but still, more derivative than a Glen Larson-created TV series.

And I'd say the industry doesn't know shit about music either, since horner actually got nominated for that ALIENS recycled crap (same industry that nominated Trek IV's score and cinematography, to show they don't know from shit on non-Cameron films, too.) Even Cameron didn't like it, which I think is why it took a decade for them to work together again.

And I'd say the industry doesn't know shit about music either, since horner actually got nominated for that ALIENS recycled crap

While I agree that Horner is about THE WORST for recycling his own themes, I do have to say that I liked the Aliens soundtrack.
It took some existing themes and ramped them up a bit.
Though that only make me wish that they were ramped up in the movies that they first appeared.

Who's everyone top 3 composers?

I think I'd have to go.....(not really in order).....
Jerry Goldsmith.
Alan Silvestry.
Howard Shore.

Goldsmith
Goldsmith
Goldsmith

(oh, alright)

Goldsmith (1966-1996 period)

Elmer Bernstein

Basil Pouledoris (he rips off classical stuff too, but with more class)

Danny Elfman gets an honorable mention, along with John Williams (non-ewok/HarryPotter sounding stuff) and Howard Shore (not the LOTR stuff, everything else) and Sol Kaplan (only know his scores for DOOMSDAY MACHINE and ENEMY WITHIN and SPY WHO CAME IN FROM THE COLD, but he gets in there just based on DOOMSDAY for me.)

All of you were talking about James Horner, and his repeating. Another composer like that, is Leonard Rosenman. You can here the same in the Ape movies, Lord of the Rings animated, Fantastic Voyage, ST-IV Voyage Home. Like Horner, Rosenman music is good, by some times distracting.

Speaking of Fantastic Voyage, I am listening to the soundtrack now, while I am cleaning up the Wilco Model's Proteus.

My favorite three composers are Jerry Goldsmith,John Williams, and Trevor Jones.

Trevor Jones is a good call, he did a score for a Tommy Lee Jones pirate flick called NATE & HAYES (also called SAVAGE ISLANDS) that was very good, especially the part where a sailing ship has to outmaneuver a German Ironclad. Really good stuff there, and a few years later for alan parker on MISSISSIPPI BURNING and ANGEL HEART.

My favorite Trevor Jones, is The Dark Crystal. Really brought the movie alive, for a muppet type movie.

Whenever I hear the ENTERPRISE or drydock music I get a little misty...

(Insert smiley face with one tear of happiness.) It just gets me.

Then I have to stop whatever I'm doing and conduct the orchestra.

- Leelan

Whenever I hear the ENTERPRISE or drydock music I get a little misty...

(Insert smiley face with one tear of happiness.) It just gets me.

Then I have to stop whatever I'm doing and conduct the orchestra.

- Leelan

Ya' know Model' I'm the very same way with this piece of music from the first Reeve Superman Movie, In Fact I started to "Well Up" When I herd it being used in the new (Supes Returns) Film Preview, It's right at the begining behind the Brando Narration. just to clarifiy,it's that little few notes played before the main theme "Da, Da Da Bum Bum Da,Da" I know hard to translate through a Non-Musical Forum but you know the Piece lol

John/Lonfan