Saw Sith for the first(of many) time last night. Does this General Grievous dude remind anyone else of Ultron from The Avengers comic?

Everything in SW reminds me of something else.
Vader = Dr. Doom X Baron Harkonnen from Dune.

I never thought of Ultron as a totally throw away character. Grevious seems to have been there for the sole purpose of fueling a spectacular, though totally gratuitous, lightsabre fight. Might just have well as been the Stay Fuffed Marshmallow Man, or Bib the Michelin Man, or Pinky and Perky.

Naw, Grievous was only in the film as an excuse to draw Obi-wan away so that Palpatine/Sidious could mind-frak Anakin without interference. :p

He was also there as a "prototype" Vader...part biological, part machine, breathes heavy...

I could never figure out why a cyborg would insist on having breathing difficulties?.. why not just replace the lungs with an O2 unit? I didn't buy it at all.. these last 3 movies have turned me away from the franchise.

I could never figure out why a cyborg would insist on having breathing difficulties?.. Probably for the same reason Robby the Robot belches after consuming alcohol! "Quiet, please, I am analyzing. Buuurp!"

That's tied in to one of the last episodes of the Clone Wars cartoon. Mace uses a Force Grip of some kind on Grievous and it crushes his chest.

That's tied in to one of the last episodes of the Clone Wars cartoon. Mace uses a Force Grip of some kind on Grievous and it crushes his chest.Mace? ... MACE?? That's "Master Windu" to you!!


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Grevious is a cyborg? I thought he wuz a droid. Where did it say he was a cybrog? I'm sure I must have missed it, after all I was so engrossed in the first half of epi 3 I almost fell asleep.

Grevious is a cyborg? I thought he wuz a droid. Where did it say he was a cybrog?

The huge closeup of the organic eyes and the beating heart didn't tip you off?

According to the voice actor, the whole retarded coughing thing came from the fact he had a cold one day and George liked it. So they came up with the BS in clone wars.

And he's taken no end of shit for it, let me tell you. Because nobody, even those who saw Clone Wars really got why he was coughing, the info was not in the movie proper, and the whole thing was just stupid.

Lucas really should have learned his lesson after Episode 1 and had fan councils to tell him when he's being stupid. At least we got him to somewhat listen on Jar=Jar, now if only he'd listened enough to have Palpatine twist his neck off, that would have been something.

In the "STAR WARS" universe, medical care consists of just
replacing damaged and missing parts with machinery. (Which
is an amazing technological achievement, but seems ridiculous.
The Jedi have been the guardians of peace for over 1000
generations, the Republic has existed for over 1000 years.
In all that time, no one ever came up with a better system
than putting a pitchfork where your hand used to be??! :confused:
What about cloning technology? If the Kaminoans can use a
growth accelerant to cut development time in half, couldn't
someone double, or triple that? Why not just grow the part
you need? Arm gone? Here's a new one.
Why can't they just trigger a regenerative gene?
Medicine in that galactic civilization is sorely lacking.)

When that happens to you, wouldn't you want to hang on
to every piece of you that is real?

Even though they were faulty, maybe Grievous kept the damaged lungs because it was another piece of himself he didn't want to lose.

. . .The Jedi have been the guardians of peace for over 1000 generations, the Republic has existed for over 1000 years. In all that time, no one ever came up with a better system than putting a pitchfork where your hand used to be??! :confused: What about cloning technology? . . . Medicine in that galactic civilization is sorely lacking.Inconsistent technology has always been a problem in movie and TV sci-fi. In the Star Trek TOS ep "Journey to Babel," for example, a key story point is that Sarek needs heart surgery but his rare Vulcan blood type (which Spock shares) isn't stored on board. Even today, medical science is developing synthetic fluids that can carry oxygen and will someday, long before the 23rd century, eliminate the need for massive blood transfusions to replace blood lost during surgery — not to mention the entire apparatus of blood banks, blood donation, typing and cross-matching, etc. And it's not just medical technology — there's the matter of weaponry. How come civilizations that possess advanced energy beam weapons (lasers, phasers, blasters, whatever) somehow never got around to inventing guided missiles or "smart" weapons? All they can do is aim, fire, and usually miss!

At least we got him to somewhat listen on Jar=Jar, now if only he'd listened enough to have Palpatine twist his neck off, that would have been something. So, let me get this straight... you're not entirely fond of Jar Jar, right? :lol:

How come civilizations that possess advanced energy beam weapons (lasers, phasers, blasters, whatever) somehow never got around to inventing guided missiles or "smart" weapons? All they can do is aim, fire, and usually miss!
I've got two words for you: ECM.

Wait, that's three letters.... :o

For the most part, I figure that a lot of the misses in Trek - TOS thru VOY (shudder) - are due to superior ECM/ECCCM of the target vessel. Sort of like today how ECM can fool a missile in to moving on to another target.

The limitations aren't with those far off civilizations but with the poorly educated and short-sighted writers.


Example:

"Q"

Omnipotent or somethin right? Was the rock etc... So how does he do stuff he knows will get him into trouble if he's already been there-done that??

According to the voice actor, the whole retarded coughing thing came from the fact he had a cold one day and George liked it. So they came up with the BS in clone wars.According to what I heard, the coughing is actually Lucas himself. Standing alone (without the Clone Wars-based explanation), it does tie in fairly well to the in-universe idea of cybernetic replacements not necessarily improving on the biological original. And call it BS if you want, but at least Clone Wars does address the coughing fits -- so there is an explanation for it that is a bit of a reward for those who watched the show -- and the explanation wasn't created after-the-fact, at least from the point of view of the audience -- even if it was added to Clone Wars at the 11th hour.

As to why Grevious "kept" his damaged lungs ... well, going on the evidence of Clone Wars, during the opening battle he wouldn't have had time to do anything about it, as it picks up right where the show leaves off. Also, only a few days transpire during the course of the movie, so it is quite likely that Grevious would have simply gotten "well" (as well as he could get, all things considered) had he not met his end at Obi-Wan's hands.

Qapla'

SSB

nobody, even those who saw Clone Wars really got why he was coughingSorry, but some of us did.

Qapla'

SSB

If I had a robot body with my real heart and lungs, I would protect them a little better instead of having them in plain sight in my chest cavity.

All Grievous really needed was a target sign or a little dotted line across either organ with a little pair of scissors, as in, "Jedis cut along dotted line"

José

Or-

DISCHARGE BLASTER HERE

Well,


In MY world, Grevious is Darth Maul. His upper half of his body was saved by Sidious and put into Cyborg mode. THAT is why he also knows Jedi skills. I won't accept anything other than that.

Hey, I said I wasn't paying attention. Though in honesty I think you have to be watching for those scenes, as I did for a second viewing. I still believe Grievous, or however the hell you spell it, was a throwaway character. Whatever he may be in the cartoons he was/is nothing in the films. That whole storyline could have been scrapped and the film made 90 minutes. That entire storyline was merely to highlight all the wonderful crap ILM can do.


As for Ultron, not even close close, Ultron is a cool MoFo. That open, gaping, burning mouth is something Gripiousness doesn't even come close to. Ultron is frightening, Greesious is a joke.