Hey Guys. I have an idea. We should start a Jupiter Two Builders Club. Like the B9 Builders have. Possibly build a network to supply info to members to build their own 4' Jupiter two!! ETC.... The Space Pod. What do you guys think? High Regards, Mark.

We'll need access to those items to get castings etc. Pod, Chariot, 4 footer etc, get permissions to do it, and get some clever types to help us with those little items like chariot parts, landing gear, figures, and electronics.


Might work.

Should we let Greg Jein Be #1??

yeah,.....i think it would be a great idea if some folks could do a 1/2 scale or full scale jupiter 2 ............hmmm i may just try something like that cause i live on acreage in TN

We'll need access to those items to get castings etc. Pod, Chariot, 4 footer etc, get permissions to do it, and get some clever types to help us with those little items like chariot parts, landing gear, figures, and electronics.


Might work.

Should we let Greg Jein Be #1??Sure, If he would go for it! Somehow I don't think he would. It just seems that finally Lost In Space hardware is Becoming "THE OTHER STAR TREK", And where there is all kinds of reference material for all the Trek Ships, It's like pulling teeth getting info on the Jupiter Two, Seaview etc...... And the guys who do know all the little deatail stuff and had or have access to the originals, DON'T WANT TO SHARE THE INFO!!!!Everything is a Damm secret! Regards, Mark

It's all about egos... Sheez!

It's all about egos... Sheez! Yeah It's like I know more than you do...........But I wont tell you. I want to be the only one who knows. THESE GUYS ACT LESS MATURE THAN MY SEVEN YEAR OLD!

lets go for it !!! i have 3 of them already, just want BIGGER

well guys,.perhaps we should do a builders club on a subject there is lots of info on ,....such as the planet of the apes ship ?.....would that work ?

wonder where i wood put a four footer after mich threw me out ? :freak:

hey chuck, hows the jupiter 2 diorama coming along ? any more pics ?
Bert

I think that the various 'stories' are fables because the models were gutted, trashed, stored, rebuilt by others who may not have known how they were supposed to go together, and the original builders are dead. No documents have been proven to exist on the construction and workings, and the SPFX photographers were NOT involved in that aspect. Lydecker/Abbott etc knew of the operation of the model, and calculated the frame speeds for the SPFX shots. remenants of the models exist, one in a private collection(Azarian), one on display with the launch tower(Jein). Jeins is far more bashed up, and I think it's the "Pod dropper". Azarian seems to have the gear "Hero" version. It has the sliding blast doors, etc. Other than that.......everything else is speculation.

Technical details:
Two fusion core displays were made - one a Chaser system, the other spinning lightbulbs.
The gear worked fine during filming of "The Derelict" but is 'sticky' for the shots of it landing on the yellow circle. We saw the gear RETRACT but never EXTEND after that, except in the few SPFX out takes. It landed on the core, and took off while retracting the gear.

wonder where i wood put a four footer after mich threw me out ? :freak:

You'd throw it in the back of your snowkat Chariot conversion vehicle Chuck and motor off into the sunset - of course! :devil:

Geeeeez I feel discriminated against, is there any room in this possible group for the 1 foot J-2 type builders to throw their 2 cent in now and then????

You gonna build a 4 footer too?? your 1 foot PL job is amazing!

The B9 Buiilders club makes 1:1 scale replicas of the LIS Robot

The J2 Builders club would be making 1:1 scale models of the J2 hero.

Perhaps YOU could head up the PL J2 Builders club??

You gonna build a 4 footer too?? your 1 foot PL job is amazing!

The B9 Buiilders club makes 1:1 scale replicas of the LIS Robot

The J2 Builders club would be making 1:1 scale models of the J2 hero.

Perhaps YOU could head up the PL J2 Builders club??Y3a, I nominate YOU to head up our Jupiter Two Builders Club!!!! I also think we should involve Mike and his Jupiter Two Site.Also It might be a good idea to include ALL SIZE JUPITER TWOS AS WELL. Of Course the 4' Jupiter would be the main focus. Do you guys know that there is a Millenium Falcon Builders Group??? They help each other track down all the parts to make an accurate copy of the 5' Falcon!!! So I say It's about time The Jupiter Two got some attention!!!!!

Y3a, I nominate YOU to head up our Jupiter Two Builders Club!!!! I also think we should involve Mike and his Jupiter Two Site.Also It might be a good idea to include ALL SIZE JUPITER TWOS AS WELL. Of Course the 4' Jupiter would be the main focus. Do you guys know that there is a Millenium Falcon Builders Group??? They help each other track down all the parts to make an accurate copy of the 5' Falcon!!! So I say It's about time The Jupiter Two got some attention!!!!!
i second that BeatlePaul !

I'd like to join. I've designed and built one cardstock model of the J2, and have designed another, more advanced model, which I am ready to start building.

BTW, I agree with the all-scales idea. There were several sizes of J2 props used on the show, after all.

And another thing: perhaps J2-related models should be included. Such as: crew figures, the space pod, and the launch pad/gantry towers.

[QUOTE=Y3a]You gonna build a 4 footer too?? your 1 foot PL job is amazing!

I'm not sure I could afford all the styrene it would take to put a nice looking interior inside a 4 foot version. $$$$

Why can't I get to the old "Most Accurate Jupiter 2" thread that went on for months anymore?? That would answer/puzzle the newbies questions.

Perhaps YOU could head up the PL J2 Builders club??[/QUOTE]

I'd be willing to give it a try, if there isn't anyone with more knowledge and resorces out there wanting to take the chair. Just don't impeach me if things go wrong, I'll step down quietly. I have lots of doodles that I could convert to drawings with measurements to aid with building projects, I have a set of blueprints I worked up for building my J-2, these and any of my drawings could be converted to any scale easily. My project J-2 is not the bible book and verse, but it's close, and for this project I'll take close any day.

hi robert are you going to display your Jupiter 2 on a launch tower ?

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How about Tee Shirts with actual screen grabs of our favorite saucer?

How about Tee Shirts with actual screen grabs of our favorite saucer? GREAT IDEA!!! Personally I think it should be a picture of the J2/G12 on the Launch tower! But Awesome Idea. Regards, Mark

I'd like to see:
the G12 from inside the Derilict
Close-up of the settled J2 inside the Derelict (I have an old shirt like that)
Landed on the circle version
posterized version from the beginning of the year 3 theme(7,6,5,4,3,2,1 - IMAGE)
Maybe one sailing thru the pinnicles

How about Tee Shirts with actual screen grabs of our favorite saucer?

Yeah, and foam Jupiter 2 hats!(same size as Green Bay cheese hats.) :p

I'd like to see:
the G12 from inside the Derilict
Close-up of the settled J2 inside the Derelict (I have an old shirt like that)
Landed on the circle version
posterized version from the beginning of the year 3 theme(7,6,5,4,3,2,1 - IMAGE)
Maybe one sailing thru the pinnicles

How about a "Far Side" cartoon? Maybe, a frustrated modeller, chucking his J2 like a Frisbee into the wall... :eek:

hi robert are you going to display your Jupiter 2 on a launch tower ?
No the unit is being built with the landing gear down, maybe I'll throw together a black back round, and some asphalt in front of it with a white circle painted on it, for the J-2 to land on.

No the unit is being built with the landing gear down, maybe I'll throw together a black back round, and some asphalt in front of it with a white circle painted on it, for the J-2 to land on.
that sounds like a good diorama begining to take shape as well !
Bert

Yeah, and foam Jupiter 2 hats!(same size as Green Bay cheese hats.) :p

But seriously, folks...

I like all the t-shirt ideas.

I broke ground on my second cardstock model a couple days ago. I'm starting with the upper hull, which will feature the correct hull curves. The base and outer support wall are done, and the inner support wall and hull side parts are cut out. I still need to cut out the top hull parts, and a temporary spacer ring, which will be used only for assembly.

This is my second try with this construction technique, and I believe I've worked out the problems I encountered the first time. This new model is being built to HO scale, based on the commonly accepted 60 foot diameter of the prototype. It is 8.25" dia., compared with my first model, which is 7.25" dia., 1/100 scale.

I like the club idea but am a bit puzzled at the comments about how hard it is to find the blueprints. The basic studio plans have already been published, several times I believe. Was I halucinating..? (not impossible) Shane Johnson books?

As far as building the model is concerned, the J2 exterior is a pretty simple build. It can be cast in two halves with nearly all the existing details in place. A few extra parts such as landing gear and topside dome details and you're done. I had a 36 inch version underway years ago but it went out in the trash instead of being completed. Not sure what became of the mold. It would be easy enough to re-create though.

The J2 is one of my favorites too and is very high on the list of "next projects", after I get my workshop set up (working on that now). I'm willing to help.

I agree the Jupiter 2 IS a simple design.

HOWEVER....

it's got tricky curves that make it look different depending on how far away you are from it, ALL the curves are involved with the upper deck, the lower deck lines are straight. The smaller details are hard to document, and the correct positions even harder. The molds and pulls are (IMHO) from the Azarian model which has less damage. The copies from THAT model would be as accurate as someone making B9 bodys from the original costume.

All the replicas are flawed.

The Lunar Models 2 foot version has incorrect sized upper hatches and an incorrect contour.

The SFM has too much door detail, as they are trying to meld the set details and SPFX models details.

Lunar Models 16 inch job has undocumented lower body surface details, and incorrect contours.

The PL kit is fatter to hold the interior, has incorrect hatch dimensions, and incorrect contour, and fudged fusion core.

The smaller vacuform and all resin kits are based on bigger versions and share the same problems.

The 4 foot hulls from Azarians Gear hero seem to be correct. I have taken some photos to verify to my self that it's the same. The Hero has a slightly mis-shapen main window that is a teeny bit taller on the right side. All three upper hatches are different sizes. Jeins model has damage around the main window and the surround is much deeper. I think Jeins model dropped the Pod.

X15-A2 - I have a great idea!
No one has a correct model of the 12 inch Gemini 12, so DO THAT as a project. I'd buy 1-2 of 'em myself. The smaller size means less mess in the shop, and less materials needed for each copy. I have an idea for the inside mechanics too, which I'll GIVE YOU off board.

Lunar Models 16 inch job has undocumented lower body surface details...



Hey Mark,

I have one of these kits , but not handy right now ... If memory servers me correctly THIS particular version has BOTH the space pod door detail AND chariot ramp detail ... right?

What detail(s) exactly are you referring to as "undocumented"?

My guess is the pod bay doors ... but then they all (all brands of J2 models) have that particular detail I think...

Oops - I just looked and stand corrected: my Johnny Lightning J2 doesn't have pod door detail! :lol:

http://photos.hobbytalk.com/data/509/medium/4footJob.jpg

Nice "Buns" ! :tongue:

Nice "Buns" ! :tongue:





HEY!!! :eek:

With that last post I noticed my "status" here at Hobbytalk changed to "Elder Statesman" !!!

Anyone else see the irony in that - since it was probably the most juvenilistic post I have ever made on here !!??!!?? :jest:


Go figure!

<< What detail(s) exactly are you referring to as "undocumented"? >>

I saw one of the hundreds of LM 16" J2's that Henry Prentiss had, and the bottom has some other panel/compartment as well as the pod and chariot and gear stuff. Maybe he can photograph one for us?

<< What detail(s) exactly are you referring to as "undocumented"? >>

I saw one of the hundreds of LM 16" J2's that Henry Prentiss had, and the bottom has some other panel/compartment as well as the pod and chariot and gear stuff. Maybe he can photograph one for us?

OIC -

I'm thinking that's not a looney kit but rather another kit that begins with the letter "M" - I cannot remember the name offhand ....

I think that's a pretty rare kit too ...

NOT to be confused with that Japanese J2 game thing you see on that online auction site occassionally in the $1500-$3000+ price range... this is another 16" J2 kit.

Ya - Henry's pix would be helpful. :wave:

The hatches on the bottom should be (not including the gear doors): circular center hatch, Chariot ramp, Pod hatch and the "Atomic motor" hatch. These were all part of the full scale prop but I doubt the smaller models had them all, with the possible exception of the ten-foot "miniature".

From the discussion here it sounds as if one needs to decide which model one is making a model of. For myself, I would include all the details designed into the "ship", whether they appeared on this or that model or not, no matter what scale my final model was. Personal preference here.

BTW, if no one here has the studio drawings, how can we be sure which kit has what problem in profile or detail? Just curious how that was determined.

The hero Models would be the defacto references. The Atomic Motor hatch?? does it have a roughly triangle shape? Next to a gear well?

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Anthony Taylor worte.

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this logo looks great on my PJ's

depends on what sacuer a person liked best


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I have a sheet of the 20th Fox ship, to big to copy tho

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LMAO Chuck !!! :lol:

I don't see a 4 foot Jupiter 2 in the back - guess Mich hasn't thrown you out of the house yet ... ;)

You are Too funny!

The hero Models would be the defacto references. The Atomic Motor hatch?? does it have a roughly triangle shape? Next to a gear well?

Hey Y ,

Yep - it's kinda like a squarish-triangle looking at the J2 belly side UP the chariot ramp is to your LEFT (underneath the upper hatch) going counter clockwise you come to the rear landing leg and them immediately to the RIGHT of that (remember going counter clockwise and looking at the J2 belly up) is the "Atomic Engine Elevator" which is roughly an elongated blunt triangle shaped hatch.

I was mistake on the "M" kit I mentioned yesterday .. took me a while because my pictures of it had been offloaded from my pc to CD for archiving and I had a time trying to find it. I discovered what I was thinking about was a 12" MATRIX brand Jupiter 2 kit that was on eebaayyhttp://www.awltovhc.com/image-1606754-2202639 many years back. Looking at the pix I had of it I could see only the pod bay detail... wrong kit!

I checked my 16" LM J2 before leaving the house this morning and I found what you are talking about.

This particular 16" LM J2 has the chariot ramp detail , landing legs detail and the atomic engine elevator detail. It has NO pod bay door detail!

Now back to your earlier comment that I questioned : "undocumented belly details" you might be surprised to learn that this particular 16" J2 is precise and perfectly images the FOX blue prints for the 4 foot J2 Miniature. There is NO pod bay (for the obvious reason: Season 3 addition) originally designed into the Hero J2 (I do not know about the Full Scale Mockup version as Phil mentions - I'd have to go back and look , but I do not think the pod bay door is there either... maybe I misunderstood Phil's comments???).

I do not know who designed the belly layout at LM when they built this particular version of their J2 kit ( and this detail is not on all their 16" J2 kits by the way) but whoever it was - I believe used the original FOX blueprints for reference - in attempt to , as is your Holy Grail Y3a , create an exact SPFX version of the Hero miniature. I suspect who designed it for LM , but I really do not know for sure.

Now the real killer is : not everything that was put down on paper was applied to the actual miniature when it was built. With the stripping down of the Hero for City Beneath The Sea and then the subsequent questionable restoration work under Greenwood - original details maybe lost and more were definately added. Even what you have now cannot be totally reliable and true to the original.

Definately the closest we got - until another "validated" original casting appears, if such a thing exists and if we could actually have a way to validate it.

Take in point - yesterday while browsing my personal archives of all things Jupiter 2 - I came upon my digital images of Crebers blueprints for the 4 foot Gemini XII (which was simply refered to at that time as "Swiss Family Robinson Space Ship" ) the radius of the miniature was 25' meaning that the entire diameter of the Gemini XII was to be 50'!

At a scale of 1/4" to every 1'-0" the Gemini XII miniature was designed to be of the size of 12'-6" !!!
So.... is there a 12 and a half foot sized Gemini XII prop out there some where? Is the 10 foot J2 really 12 feet and perhaps altered from a GXII as the smaller 12" GXII was?

Or , as most likely, later on they changed the scale of the drawings and made it a scale of 4 feet?

What documentation can we really trust which would reflect what they ultimately put into the 4 foot Jupiter 2 Hero miniature?

There is plenty of documentation but how much of it made it off the drawing board? Who can really say that they know for sure?

The hatches on the bottom should be (not including the gear doors): circular center hatch, Chariot ramp, Pod hatch and the "Atomic motor" hatch. These were all part of the full scale prop but I doubt the smaller models had them all, with the possible exception of the ten-foot "miniature".

From the discussion here it sounds as if one needs to decide which model one is making a model of. For myself, I would include all the details designed into the "ship", whether they appeared on this or that model or not, no matter what scale my final model was. Personal preference here.

BTW, if no one here has the studio drawings, how can we be sure which kit has what problem in profile or detail? Just curious how that was determined.


Hiya X15-A2,

I wasn't sure about the Atomic Engine Elevator(AEE) and Pod Bay detail on the full scale mockup(FSM) so I just went and looked at the Fox plans (found in Messman's 198? book entitled "Lost In Space Technical Manual" and those plans do show the AEE but I see nothing indicating space pod bay doors. Even the itemized list on the print's table doesn't mention a space pod bay door.

Are you sure about the pod doors on the FSM? What do you base it on? :confused:

Also - it jogged a memory for me .... when you saw the 10 foot J2 in storage way back when - I think you said it was resting upside down atop a pile of other stuff.... I know it was dark , but do you recall seeing any particular details at all besides the gaping fusion core hole and the chariot ramp??? :eek:

I've probably asked you this before - but have forgotten if I have ~ my appologies if this is rehashing...

Thanks! :thumbsup:

I still go by what's on the 4 foot Hero(s) since thats what got photographed and hence became canon. I have a set of ugly (Shane Johnson)blueprints, and the Alpha Control Ref manual, and nowhere do I see an Atomic Motor Hatch.

The Gemini 12 hero would be treated the same. I don't think they had the budget to make a 12 foot Gemini 12 for just a pilot.

Like I said, I'm filling in the pod door lines and using a slightly darker flat silver(Steel) as just thin lines on the surface on my 4 foot job. The pod was not there in the 1st year, and There is debate on a chariot door on the 4 footer as well. I won't ever add a working pod system my 4 foot job, or a Chariot ramp-Just getting the gear to work smoothly, and support the model will be fine by me.