View Full Version : Answers to many questions concerning Round2 Corp and the future slot car business


motorcitytoyz
10-19-2005, 08:30 PM
Here is a letter from Tom Lowe that will answer many of the questions that have been emailed to Round2 Corp. I received the letter via email this afternoon.



Greetings from Round 2, the new home of "Auto World" Thunderjet and X-Traction slot cars! This is Thomas Lowe, Founder and President of Round 2. Although the Round 2 website is under construction, I thought I would answer a few questions that many of you seem to have on your minds:


What is Round 2? I sold Playing Mantis to RC2 in June of 2004. Playing Mantis manufactured and sold Johnny Lightning die-cast cars, Polar Lights model kits, Memory Lane action figures and Thunderjet and X-Traction slot cars. My employment contract with RC2 ended in June 2005 and it was at that time that RC2 offered to sell me the slot car line back. So I purchased the line back and started a new company and called it Round 2. The office and warehouse are located in Mishawaka, Indiana.
2. Can you use the Johnny Lightning trademark? No, I cannot. But I did purchase the remaining inventory from RC2 that still utilizes the brand name. Once this inventory is sold, I can no longer use the Johnny Lightning trademark. I have decided to market the slot car lines (Thunderjets and X-Traction) under the "Auto World" brand name.


Auto World…Isn’t that the name of a famous mail order catalog from the 1960’s and 1970’s? Yes, it was. As you recall, the catalog was mostly know for its slot car lines that it sold so I thought it made a lot of sense. Plus, I can market other lines under it one day (model kits, die-cast, R/C, etc). Additionally, you never know…maybe you will see an Auto World mail order company on the web one of these days!


When will you begin shipping product? We are currently shipping the slot car inventory that I purchased from RC2. The inventory consists of the following programs: Back to the Future, Mopar Madness, Bowtie Brigade and Mopar or No Car.
Can I purchase any of this product from you directly? Our policy is to exclusively sell product only through distributors or retail stores for the first 120 days. Check back January 1, 2006 to see if there is any remaining inventory left to buy from us at suggested retail prices (plus S&H). Our website should be up at that time as well.
What other programs will be sold in 2005? My factory in China is currently producing new releases of Bowtie Brigade and Mopar Muscle. These cars should be in my warehouse in December. In addition, the Dukes of Hazzard has been ordered and should be in my warehouse by January.
What kind of quantity will you be producing? Currently, we are planning on making limited edition quantities of 3,600. 2,000 of these will be packaged in clam packs and 1,600 will be in jewel cases. The cars in the jewel cases will be sequentially numbered (1 of 3,600). From now on, our jewel cases will be banded with clear plastic so the collector knows if the package has been opened.

8. What about 2006? Any new product? You bet…a TON! At least 12 new Thunderjet and 12 new X-Traction bodies will be released in 2006. In addition, I am working on 3 new chassis. Plus, I am looking into making track sets aimed at the kids market and I might make a couple of Limited Edition sets aimed at the collector market in a given year. Stop by the website from time to time too as I will be announcing more new product here.



9. Will you continue to sell White Thunder chase cars? Of course!



10. What about Pit Kits? Will you sell them? Yes, we will. We have ordered them for both Thunderjets and X-Traction and they should be in our warehouse by January 1, 2006. We have also ordered "Deluxe Pit Kits." These will contain all the parts that go into making a slot car (basically a slot car model kit) and will also include a limited edition clear body. VERY COOL!

11. What are the long term plans for the slot cars lines? Let’s face it – nobody has invested much time, money or talent into the slot car business for quite some time. Playing Mantis did a decent job but I have to admit the line played "second fiddle" to Johnny Lightning, Polar Lights and Memory Lane. Well, things are different now. Slot cars are the only product that Round 2 manufactures and is my primary focus! I plan on growing the business dramatically in the coming years. You do this by picking the right chassis, the right bodies, make them in great quality, package them right and limit the production so you don’t sell closeouts that kill the brand and the business.



12. What is the future of the website? It should be up and running by January 1, 2006. It will be update monthly so everybody knows what they should be able to find at retail, who is carrying the product, and what is planned for future (90 days out). For those of you that have a hard time finding product, I plan on selling product directly to you through the website at suggested retail prices. The product will be limited to product that my distributors and retailers have had the opportunity to buy for at least 120 days. This gives them the time and protection they need to sell product without competing with Round 2. Eventually, we will have a distributor section of the website (password protected) so that our customers can order product and check on shipments.

Thank you very much for your support! If you have any suggestions, please click here to complete the contact form.

Thomas Lowe



Please note that Motor City Toyz will carry the full line of "Auto World" slot cars and we will have our web site updated with the new items within 48 hours.

Please check out my web site and online store for further updates and new items as they are released.


Thanks for your time!

Jeff Clemence

1976Cordoba
10-19-2005, 09:14 PM
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joez870
10-19-2005, 09:43 PM
*drool*

ParkRNDL
10-19-2005, 10:25 PM
need I say it again?


WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!


I guess it wasn't the Thunderjet name he couldn't use, it was the Johnny Lightning name... when he bought the line back, he bought the Thunderjet and X-Traction names with them?

Auto World.... COOL! I kinda missed out on that the first time around. I was only born in 1969, wasn't old enough to order from catalogs till the '80s...

I think the deal with buying stuff off the site after 120 days is pretty cool too...

VERY exciting stuff here...

--rick

Mike(^RacerX^)
10-19-2005, 10:45 PM
Wow!!!!! This is some great news.Three new chassis!!!!! I wonder what they'll be.There's a few that I am hoping for.

I think it's great that he's bringing back the "Auto World" name.Man,those catalogs were such a big part of when I was growing up.My brother and I would read them until they literally wore out.

Mike

hefer
10-19-2005, 11:03 PM
Sealing the cases is a great idea. Tampering was a big concern with WTs.

AfxToo
10-19-2005, 11:43 PM
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DACSIGNS
10-19-2005, 11:59 PM
Very cool!
Auto World and Oscar K was the Bomb, man. I have been makin repro AW stickers just for old time sake, and now the name is comin back! Hopefully the collectors. runners racers and most of all Tom benefits here because its a no brainer if he cant make money none of us can benefit from the buisiness he has going.

Great news---Circle Track DAC

ParkRNDL
10-20-2005, 01:28 PM
I'm betting that one of the chassis will be the old G-Plus, figuring that Round 2 already has all the X-Traction bodies to fit it. Isn't the Super G-Plus what Tomy currently makes? or was there one in between?

--rick

mamilligan
10-20-2005, 02:06 PM
There was an Aurora Super G+ back in the day. It was just an update to the original design.

car guy
10-20-2005, 02:07 PM
Most excellent news, looking forward to some new product.

AfxToo
10-20-2005, 05:50 PM
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Al Markin
10-20-2005, 09:09 PM
Made my night, Nothing but a positive direction, I can't wait!

Mike(^RacerX^)
10-20-2005, 09:44 PM
Man,I HOPE that one of the chassis will be an original G+!!!!!

I have a couple of the originals that I mess around with.To me,they're a LOT of fun to run!!!!!!

Lately I have a fascination with the brass pan" cars of the '70's.I wouldn;t mind seeing them do something along those libes either.

One can only wait and hope for the best I guess.

Mike

Captain Fred
10-22-2005, 09:12 AM
All Right!

This is great news! :thumbsup:

Montoya1
10-22-2005, 03:08 PM
Man,I HOPE that one of the chassis will be an original G+!!!!!

I have a couple of the originals that I mess around with.To me,they're a LOT of fun to run!!!!!!

Lately I have a fascination with the brass pan" cars of the '70's.I wouldn;t mind seeing them do something along those libes either.

One can only wait and hope for the best I guess.

Mike

My guess is that the three chassis will be:

A remake of an older Tyco or Aurora in-line chassis
http://users.aol.com/hifisapien/private/sgplbott.jpg

A brass chassis remake, such a this one

http://hodrags.com/MfrDynabruteChassisProto.JPG

And an all out in-line screamer with adjustable traction magnets
http://www.fullspectrumremodeling.com/images/question-mark.gif

Mike(^RacerX^)
10-23-2005, 01:59 AM
My guess is that the three chassis will be:

A remake of an older Tyco or Aurora in-line chassis

A brass chassis remake, such a this one

And an all out in-line screamer with adjustable traction magnets
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Your KILLIN'me over here.That would be great if they were to do those.

BTW,what is that brass chassis car???? I have been studting these lately,and I don;t think I have run across one of those yet.
Is it a Cobramite????

Mike

Montoya1
10-23-2005, 02:05 AM
Your KILLIN'me over here.That would be great if they were to do those.

BTW,what is that brass chassis car???? I have been studting these lately,and I don;t think I have run across one of those yet.
Is it a Cobramite????

Mike

I'm stretching here but I think it is a dynabrute that never made production.

As for the all-out racer with adjustable traction magnets:

http://www.bglawns.com/Mk1%20(3).jpg

AfxToo
10-23-2005, 09:39 AM
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Wyatt
10-23-2005, 01:34 PM
I'll bet some of those great, but laid off employees will be back as well! Great news!

AfxToo
10-24-2005, 07:00 AM
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SCJ
10-24-2005, 12:02 PM
The world really needs a much smaller scale HO slot car motor so the formula cars can be modeled to-scale.....Somebody needs to shake up and challenge the HO slot car world.

How about a motor that isn't a motor, not a conventional one anyway.....imagine a circuit board thin type propulsion device (read motor) using a few existing electronic tricks, it all amounts to expense.

Talk about scale cars!


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www.SlotCarJohnnnies.com (http://www.SlotCarJohnnnies.com)

AfxToo
10-24-2005, 12:43 PM
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Montoya1
10-24-2005, 01:31 PM
Maybe something like a pager motor would be worth experimenting with? Finding gears would be a challenge.

http://www.hobbyengineering.com/CatMTINY.html

A reciprocating device might work too. Bring the vibe into the 21st century!

The same type of motor, but a lot more powerful, is used in those really small RC cars. You get a pinion too.

The big problem is the voltage and amperage but I know a guy who is working on that.


dw

zanza
10-24-2005, 04:01 PM
Just visit this japanese site:
http://kpl.sakura.ne.jp/bcgp78.html

The cars are really well done (especially with such tiny scale)
And their paper tracks are funny and so small

Cars are not that fast, see this movie (http://kpl.sakura.ne.jp/data/bt001.mov)

Montoya1
10-24-2005, 04:07 PM
Just visit this japanese site:
http://kpl.sakura.ne.jp/bcgp78.html

The cars are really well done (especially with such tiny scale)
And their paper tracks are funny and so small

Cars are not that fast, see this movie (http://kpl.sakura.ne.jp/data/bt001.mov)

I do find the Japanease way of doing things funny! Every Zip-Zap looks scrunched up, just because they could go that small doesn't mean it is a good idea to do it!

I agree the RC cars are slow but I have seen ones twice a fast as that (same size), maybe someone someday will crack using these motors in slot cars.

I know a lot of people would like that because you could do more accurate cars, not least open-wheelers. In that event speed becomes secondary?


dw

zanza
10-24-2005, 04:51 PM
Montoya if you have seen the so small track I'm putting up in my new appartment, you will see that speed is not my main concern LOL
I was just saying and commenting the japanes movie....And I agree that a smaller motor could help for more accurate and using other source for bodies, like the Formula One Ferreari you were showing in another thread...

As I was browsing I just fell by accident on this video....Not exactly slotcar in fact but simply (as they say), the fastest RC Nitro car....200 mph !!!

HERE (http://www.ssrcracing.com/mph_nitro_cwh.wmv)

sethndaddy
10-24-2005, 08:59 PM
3 new chassis? wow, I was happy with 2 .

vaBcHRog
10-25-2005, 09:57 AM
A new chassis that takes a very small motor like a pager motor. Low skinny and adjustable wheelbase so we can make some TJET scale Vintage F1's and Indy and Sprint cars. ALso a realistic TJET scale Vintage CAN AMS and Vinatge Lemans. Plus 30 and 40s american cars. Yep Yep yep Also lots and lots of bnew wheels

Roger Corrie

Montoya1
10-25-2005, 10:25 AM
A new chassis that takes a very small motor like a pager motor. Low skinny and adjustable wheelbase so we can make some TJET scale Vintage F1's and Indy and Sprint cars. ALso a realistic TJET scale Vintage CAN AMS and Vinatge Lemans. Plus 30 and 40s american cars. Yep Yep yep Also lots and lots of bnew wheels

Roger Corrie

I know that there is a guy one these boards (''Lenny''?) who had a motor ready to go. It was an open frame type like you get in a Tomy Turbo but with some cool mods.

If he has the those kind of connections maybe you casting chaps could invest with him and get a bunch of zip-zap type motors made with stronger internal magnets and made for typical slot car voltage and amperage.

Just a thought.

I have been trying to find out what kind of power output the zip-zap motors give. The latest ones are known as 4.2, which might mean 42000rpm but might just mean version 4.2
But I suspect they would all fry if they were run on 12-16v. I know they get used a lot in the flying world but usually in conjunction with 5v batteries.....

ParkRNDL
10-25-2005, 11:03 AM
...a very small motor like a pager motor.

http://www.howorld.net/archives/howto/stclair/67vette.html

http://www.howorld.net/archives/howto/stclair/part2/conv.html

this was 2001... wonder how the motor held up...

--rick

Mike(^RacerX^)
10-25-2005, 12:54 PM
Couldn't you save a lot of space by using one of those sqaure "can motors" in a chassis where it was lying on its side rather then lying flat???? By doing that,you could make the car considerably narrower,great for F1 cars I would think.

Mike

Montoya1
10-25-2005, 01:34 PM
Couldn't you save a lot of space by using one of those sqaure "can motors" in a chassis where it was lying on its side rather then lying flat???? By doing that,you could make the car considerably narrower,great for F1 cars I would think.

Mike

I think that would work out too high for F1 cars and the COG would be so high the handling would be shot to hell, but kudos to ya for thinking outside the box!

ParkRNDL
10-25-2005, 01:35 PM
i think it would be narrow enough, but then way too tall...

On a similar note... Lifelike's "T" chassis has magnets that look like flat plates. While I know the chassis itself gets no love in the slot car world, it's still quite fast, from what I'm told... couldn't magnets like that be utilized to make a much narrower F1 style chassis?

--rick

lenny
10-27-2005, 01:01 PM
The world really needs a much smaller scale HO slot car motor so the formula cars can be modeled to-scale and the relative speed of all HO cars brought down. Racers need to be challenged to get more speed out of cars without resorting to massive downforce magnets. A smaller and lower torque motor could never tolerate poly or neo magnets. Somebody needs to shake up and challenge the HO slot car world.

I'm not so sure you'll achieve your goal of reducing the relative speed by switching to a smaller motor. My gram scale is 'on the fritz' right now but if I recall right, the open frame type motors that Tomy uses weigh in at around 12 grams. I have a can motor whose body measures about 15mm L x 12mm W x 9mm H and that weighs about 1/3 of the Tyco motor. At 3V it'll spin about 12,000 rpm. I hooked it up to 18V and it really screamed. It also really got hot...

Anyway, you'd be reducing the weight of the motor by about 8 grams without sacrificing much if anything on the RPM scale. With a smaller motor, there may be less 'infrastructure' in the chassis which may reduce the weight even further. The chassis may end up looking more like the Life Like 'T' chassis. And since the motor is so much smaller with less mass, it'll help to keep the weight in the center of the chassis which should help the car handle better.

So a car with this type of motor and a lexan shell could weigh in at around 10 grams. The cars may actually be faster...

Dan

Montoya1
10-27-2005, 03:32 PM
i think it would be narrow enough, but then way too tall...

On a similar note... Lifelike's "T" chassis has magnets that look like flat plates. While I know the chassis itself gets no love in the slot car world, it's still quite fast, from what I'm told... couldn't magnets like that be utilized to make a much narrower F1 style chassis?

--rick

The trouble with the T magnets is they are very powerful but have too small a diameter, making the handling very knife-edge even by HO standards.

But I have alwayf felt the T chassis would be perfect for F1. The motor is low & narrow and a lot of the chassis can be removed without affecting the structural integrity.

OK, so you might lose the area where the traction magnets where but you could fit some elsewhere, maybe into the accurate-as-all-getup F1 body itself?

http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/5462/2h/www.mascr.com/images/b10u2imt.jpg

Mad Matt
10-27-2005, 05:48 PM
What about 2006? Any new product? You bet…a TON! At least 12 new Thunderjet and 12 new X-Traction bodies will be released in 2006. In addition, I am working on 3 new chassis. Plus, I am looking into making track sets aimed at the kids market and I might make a couple of Limited Edition sets aimed at the collector market in a given year. Stop by the website from time to time too as I will be announcing more new product here.


I Like hearing the 's' word...and this one isn't even four letters!!!!
Seriously..Im glad at hearing Round2 talk about making Track Sets....
Oh happy day !!!!!

AfxToo
10-27-2005, 06:48 PM
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AfxToo
10-27-2005, 07:03 PM
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hefer
10-27-2005, 10:28 PM
How about track pieces with four lanes?

mamilligan
10-27-2005, 11:54 PM
If Round 2 invests in a track system, please make it compatible with Lionel/Atlas. This hands down is the best design in HO slots. Most folks in slots today have never experienced the design freedom of the 3" intersection and a fout lane criss cross.