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B-man777
10-13-2005, 11:13 AM
hi all:i have noticed that some companies that make a 1/10th oval car offer them in both slider and solid chassis versions.what i'd like to know is what type of track(s) would i want to use a slider and what type of tracks would a solid chassis work better?thanks for the info :)

PUF19
10-13-2005, 11:16 AM
Sliders seem to work better on flat tracks,solids seem to work better on banks
Nick

MARTIN
10-13-2005, 12:11 PM
Slider has the track record in every class at our high banks

pmsimkins
10-13-2005, 12:52 PM
This topic has been discussed a lot on here. Basically it just comes down to a personal preference. I'd suggest getting both versions of the chassis and running the one you like better. If that is too expensive then get whichever version the majority of people running your car at your track use. That way you'll be sure to have accurate set-up help.

erock1331
10-13-2005, 01:40 PM
Basically it just comes down to a personal preference.

Also depends on who is running it.
You give :
Zarelli (K&N)
Peachock (Classic)
Honeycutt (Sandhills)
a slider or a solid car and they are gonna win with it.

But Martin is right all 3 records at Classic have been done on sliders.
Stock - Peachock KSG slider 54 4:00
19T - Peachock KSG Slider
Mod - Not sure who has the record (Ziggy, Peachock, or D'agnolo), all ran sliders either KSG or Silva.

In stock best I could muster up was 54 4:01 with the RIP slider, 54 4:03 with KSG slider and 54 4:04 with the HD pro2 solid and KSG solid car.

I think the only track a solid chassis car really proves to have an advantage out of the tracks I have been to would be BMS.

Ginsu
10-13-2005, 01:45 PM
This is really a great question because it is driving me crazy. I have heard both sides and am not sure yet. I have the KSG slider, HD slider but think that a solid chassis would be adventageous because there is not as much flex which allows your suspension to do its job. Does that make any sense. I run flat asphalt tracks........

MARTIN
10-13-2005, 03:06 PM
Maybe thats why the hyperdrive 510 b.t. was one of the best cars ever made.it had the best of both worlds.

Raptor_MS
10-13-2005, 03:22 PM
We offer both because that is what has become the "norm".

I don't see an advantage to running a FULL chassis over a Slider, but like one posted here, "accurate setup help". If you were forced to run a specific chassis against what you would like, you would eventually find the same speed. If you copy someone elses' setup, the only way to beat him his better driving, better motor, batteries, etc..... What alot of newbies don't understand is there are ALOT of different setups that will be just as fast as the fastest guy there, but you limit your setup help if you stray from the "norm".

To sum it up, it's not the chassis that makes the difference, its the setup. Different chassis SHOULD use different setup and can be EQUALLY fast. Same goes with bodies, tires, wings, etc.......

That is why we have developed our double slotted battery brace that also doubles as a chassis flex tuner. Why have a full chassis that has a set amount of flex and slider that has a different set amount of flex when you can have both and anything in between? Tuning chassis flex is just as important as choosing which front end springs you want to run....... It will be the next generation of chassis'.......

Kenny@RAPTOR

BAR 26
10-13-2005, 03:54 PM
This topic has been discussed a lot on here. Basically it just comes down to a personal preference. I'd suggest getting both versions of the chassis and running the one you like better. If that is too expensive then get whichever version the majority of people running your car at your track use. That way you'll be sure to have accurate set-up help.


If its to expansive then but the solid or slider version and then by the other chassis, i would suggest buying the slider first then getting thge silid chassis after, cause the slider has 3 peices to it the solid is just 1

pmsimkins
10-13-2005, 05:21 PM
If its to expansive then but the solid or slider version and then by the other chassis, i would suggest buying the slider first then getting thge silid chassis after, cause the slider has 3 peices to it the solid is just 1

That is what I meant. Buy a second chassis not two whole cars. Even a second chassis may still be too expensive for some.

I don't see an advantage to running a FULL chassis over a Slider, but like one posted here, "accurate setup help". If you were forced to run a specific chassis against what you would like, you would eventually find the same speed. If you copy someone elses' setup, the only way to beat him his better driving, better motor, batteries, etc..... What alot of newbies don't understand is there are ALOT of different setups that will be just as fast as the fastest guy there, but you limit your setup help if you stray from the "norm".

You're right that doing your own thing is important if you want to be faster than the next guy, but a newbie needs to be able to get set-up help. A new racer aimlessly setting up his car with no help is a recipe for having the guy quit. If you are new and most the guys at your track run a certain chassis then it pays to run that one as well so they are better able to help you out. If you are a veteran then you ought to try something different to get an edge.

Lets say a slider is "faster" at a given track. It is only faster if the batteries are in exactly the right position. Without the ability to find that position a new racer may be way out in left field with a slider. That is why I would suggest a solid.

Personally I feel like a solid is better in most situations because it flexes less. A stiffer chassis will be faster when your suspension set-up is right on. If you're set-up is not quite there why rely on a flexy chassis to hide it.

Raptor_MS
10-13-2005, 06:06 PM
I do not believe a solid is faster under any circumstance..... nor do I believe a slider is faster.....I believe ANY chassis on ANY track can be just as fast.....

But I do agree that beginners should "copy" others until they understand what they need to know.....then go your own way.....

I laugh when I see posts that "the only body to run here is this or that"....LOL..... or same with the chassis..... ANY body, chassis, etc can win on ANY given track.... it's all in what you know.

I will run my V3 Slider car and PROTOform HD Monte Carlo EVERYWHERE I go....... we will see how it runs at tracks that swear on TAURUS bodies or solid chassis tracks....

Kenny@RAPTOR

pmsimkins
10-13-2005, 07:37 PM
Don't go to the Velodrome :)

You're right. I've said it a million times on here anything can win. Just like I said at the start of my first post. It is really just a preference thing.

burbs
10-13-2005, 11:13 PM
slider chassis see to be faster for one reason.. the extra chassis flex works like suspension.. this helps the car some what fake a better setup then it actually has... a solid car generally requires softer suspension du to the suspension actually working, and the chassis not giving flex.. Most people tend to think a solid chassis perfectly diald in will work best on any track..But unless you can get it to that perfect zone, the slider is prolly your best bet..

Raptor_MS
10-13-2005, 11:39 PM
slider chassis see to be faster for one reason.. the extra chassis flex works like suspension.. this helps the car some what fake a better setup then it actually has... a solid car generally requires softer suspension du to the suspension actually working, and the chassis not giving flex.. Most people tend to think a solid chassis perfectly diald in will work best on any track..But unless you can get it to that perfect zone, the slider is prolly your best bet..

Well said Burbs.....