I loved racing my RC cars years ago. I started bracket racing about 15 years ago and would race my RC over the winter. How come money races have never made it to RC racing. I feel it would make this sport much more intresting. I would pay a higher entrie fee to race for money.

1774, because most racers feel they don't have a chance to win so they don't want to pay extra with no chance of winning. if your in the b-main all season, then next season they start money races would you pay extra.

I seem to have misplaced my Pandora's Box. Has anyone seen it????

What if you payed in after qualifing.Have a race inside of a race.Or even had a 2nd class just for money racers.

1774, because most racers feel they don't have a chance to win so they don't want to pay extra with no chance of winning. if your in the b-main all season, then next season they start money races would you pay extra.

I would get better to go after the money. It cost money to get to the track, money for parts. Cost money to race. I woulkd rather have a chance to win some back than just giving it away every week.

1774 I'm not sure were you race, but localy we only get around 20 pancars. So anything that splits them into more classes really stinks. Then you might be able to get maybe the top three qualifiers to bet a few bucks on who will win. I've been to few money races, and they either turn out good or really ugly. seems like people care alot more when there $10 is on the line, rather then the trophy.

I see you point, but the guys who feel they can't win will never just keep donating there money each week.

Mike is right, they either turn out to be great races with the right group of drivers or absolute cut-throat disasters if there is even one bad apple. Generally, if winning means a $15 hobby store gift certificate, things are pretty calm. When you put $500 up with just one greedy driver, things can get ugly and out of control in a hurry. I'm sure Mike would agree that my time and equipment is worth more than the few hundred bucks you might win if you don't get punted in Mod by a backmarker who thinks they can still win from 2 laps down. Mike won the Cash race in Seaford with a 4th place car, superb driving, a little luck and a few (Very skilled) but overagressive drivers. In the Seaford case, I do not think it was the money but the desire to be the "Fastest" that caused the carnage.

we are getting ready to have a BIG money race here in indiana.details to come soon.

Thanks for the input
I guess it would requier a couple very big judges too make calls on rough driving. I think it would work if strick rules where enforced. Such as subtracting laps. Or even pulling a car off the track. Maybe someday this could work.

AL SPINA FAN I do agree, the equipment you can wreck on the track is worth way more then the cash prize in most cases. I did wind up winning the $250 at seaford but would have never entered a cash race if i had the choice. the money was donated by tony and not taken from the racers.

I dont understand why you keep talking about the price of equipment. Dont you still tear up equipment racing for a throphy.

Something to consider:
People cheat for Bowling Trophies, heck people cheat at club races for no trophies.
Imagine racing for money and all He*l will break loose.

Fail tech your done.
Look at it this way. Lets say 100 racers $100.00 entrie fee Thats 10K. Pay back 80%
Have 3 points races over a weekend. Winner of over all points wins $5000.00
Runner up $1000.00
3rd $500.00
4th $300.00
5Th to 10th $200.00 each .
$2000.00 to the operator and helpers working the race.
Even if you didnt win you would sure have a good time watching this race.

It would be fun just to see how good you could do agaist the best around.

1774 good luck with it, step and a promote it. i'll be willing to donate my $100 to see the crash fest.

What track could handle that much parking. I think Seaford would be a good place to do something like this. People could even visit the beach. Lots of hotels in Salisbury.

What does it matter if it's for money or not? The Nats Mod A-Main was a wreck fest for a $7 trophy!!!!!

JFLACK come on that trophy was worth at least $9.

Money racing in my opinion would take the hobby out of it.. Oval is in dire straights as it is.. we dont need any more problems hounding it down..

Ive seen guys at races go nuts on other people if they have a bad qualifier, and wreck with someone.. could you imagine how many fist would be thrown over a 5 G purse.. i think i would stay home for that one..

Remember in the end, this is a hobby and we race toy cars..

I've been involved with other forms of competitive hobbies, ie, pool and darts, as soon as you add a dollar amount to the equation the whole thing goes to pot. The fun comes out and it's kill,kill, kill. This hobby has enough expense built in for me, never mind adding 100.00 to enter a race to destroy a 300.00 car. I'll come and watch from the spectator side.

Its not like stock car racing when the money you win pays part of the tires, fuel, pit crew, parts, entry fee, etc... big expenses!!! :freak:

Money in a hobby like R/C would do nothing but start trouble with other drivers... Totally take the fun out of racing hard!!!

It would kill the hobby!!

My bracket cars a Hobby, and so is winning. Look at it this way.How much does it cost you each time you go out to race ? Food, Gas, tolls entrie fee ect. I`m talking about 3 races for $100.00 all on one weekend with a chance to win 5K

1774,

Are you referring to drag racing?

Peter Coll

id love the chance at alot of money. i dont see whats bad about a money race.

joe ivo

yea joe thats cause you dont have a job hehehehehehehe :dude:

The problem would be guys spending even more money to win less.

Walter

i have a job BROCK. lol your info is old. get with the progam :) dont forget my jar please. hows it looking for you gettin there on sat? i hear there will be downpoors so maybe you can skip hunting for that day? or quit early. see you soon and yes i have a job!

joe ivo

i think if promoted well and with very strict rules, then a money race should be well attended. and not just for that weekend of racing but a few weeks b4 some tracks might show higher numbers because of people wanting to practice for the money race. the worst case scenario can happen at anytime whether theres extra money involved or not. thats my opinion anyways.

Money races always end in major hack fest!!!

1774,

Are you referring to drag racing?

Peter Coll

Yes, I am a bracket racer.

I was thinking a way to pervent cheating would be to have claimer stock motors. After any heat or main you could claim anyones motor for $25.00

i dont think thats true. disqualify anyone that does rough driving. and ban them from the track. if your savere it wont happen i bet. if you heard about the mod nats at bms last week that wasnt for money and that was a hack fest. it can happen anytime.

I would suggest 1 warning over the 3 races. Each car with a warning would have a red X on the roof of the car.

If it ever were to happen, Dont forget to make room for the boxing ring, because you'll need one. BAD IDEA!!!!!!!!!

1774,

While I appreciate your idea, consider this.

Let's have a bracket drag race with 10 cars in the same lane at the sqame time. Make the lane 20 ft wide and it is your best run out of 3 that qualifies you for the final. Drag racing is one on one against the clock. If you leave your lane you are DQ'd. In oval racing, everyone would like to have the same spot on the track through the turns and the chances of a wreck are much greater.

I know this works at the drags but it is a stretch to think it could work with 10 cars running in the same lane at the same time.

Cheers!

Peter Coll

Money races as a once or twice a year thing are fun and personally I've had good experiences with them.

But, as a weekly thing there are many reasons why they are a bad idea. I'm sure most of those reasons have been pointed out already.

Basically it comes down this. Racing for money really does not have much chance of increasing turnout at a track, even if it goes well. But, if it goes badly there is a definate possibility it will completely kill attendance. There's no reason for a track owner to take that gamble for no reward.

I guess there would be a chance no one would want this. I would bet thats not the case though.
I dont understand why the only people making money are the ones selling parts.

Al, if I could afford to race circle track insted of drag racing I would.
I`m going to start working on getting something together for next spring.
Any suggestions would be a great help.

Just to clarify the reason Seaford had a money race this year. Last year we spent about $1200.00 for trophies. I know that most people throw away anything other than 1st. place trophies and from a track directors position its a big expense and hassle dealing with trophies (especially if you end up with trophies left over). We decided to try the money race and from my prospective it was much easier ( really made my job easier as I only had to be sure we had the money to pay everyone) and the racing really wasn't any different than some we have had in the past for trophies. I am sure that we will do the same next year.
I also made it very clear during the drivers meeting that we would not tolerate any rough driving or deliberate take outs and that we would pull someones car if necessary.

Paul

I guess there would be a chance no one would want this. I would bet thats not the case though.
I dont understand why the only people making money are the ones selling parts.



The majority of racers do not want cash racing. If they did you'd see huge turnouts at special event money racers we have now. You just don't see that.

People aren't in RC to make money, they are in it to have fun. If fun were equated to money most of us wouldn't hate going to work.

The best way to make money at RC racing is to just quit. I'd probably have 5k a year of extra money if I spent Saturdays and Sundays on my couch instead of at various race tracks. But that wouldn't be very fun would it.

Instead of paying $10 extra entry fee to put in the prize fund, I'd rather pay $10 higher entry and have the track make some more profit. That would help them stay open, buy new carpet, pit tables, lighting etc, then I'd really be having more fun :)

Just my opinion though. If we did race for money I'd win my share, but would I have anyone left to race with after a year of that? I'm not sure I would.

Paul, I assume your the owner of the Seaford track ? I think I`ll drive the 2 hrs next year to race there.

The problem would be guys spending even more money to win less.

Walter

Boy, you can say that again!!

[QUOTE=pmsimkins]The majority of racers do not want cash racing. If they did you'd see huge turnouts at special event money racers we have now. You just don't see that.

People aren't in RC to make money, they are in it to have fun. If fun were equated to money most of us wouldn't hate going to work.

The best way to make money at RC racing is to just quit. I'd probably have 5k a year of extra money if I spent Saturdays and Sundays on my couch instead of at various race tracks. But that wouldn't be very fun would it.

Instead of paying $10 extra entry fee to put in the prize fund, I'd rather pay $10 higher entry and have the track make some more profit. That would help them stay open, buy new carpet, pit tables, lighting etc, then I'd really be having more fun :)

This was one of the best posts I have read anywhere......well put.

Hi Paul,

Your race was a little different in that the overall quality of drivers was very high. When you get those such as Jim Dieter, Pepe LePew, Arnie Fie, Gary Warren, Phil Marabella, Mike Valentine, The Salvas brothers and many others together, the money is secondary to the bragging rights. Your event is unique, well managed and works as an annual event. Can you imagine something like Touring Oval at the Birds being run for Money?? Now I would pay to see that.....lol

Take Care and Doug and I will see you in Orlando!!

Peter

1774,

Where are you from?

P.S. My real name is Peter Coll unless I owe you money or had a one nighter with your daughter. If either of these apply, you can refer to me as Al Spina.......lol

Ok Peter, lol . Im from the Baltimore area. My name is Art Wilson, The last time a raced Rc`s was 1992. Places like, Middletown, Westminster, Cockeyville, and Offroad Headquarters. I been racing a Stock eliminator car NHRA and IHRA the last couple years, and still do some bracket racing. Its getting kinda boring going in a straight line and towing cost is crazy with gas prices. I find the RC`s more of a challenge, and the chassis tuning is more complex the a drag car. I should have may RC out in the next couple weeks to find out how many parts I break trying to learn to streer one of these things again.

You should probably start with Hobbytown in Glen Burnie. They have a well stocked shop and a small oval with fresh smooth carpet. If you check their schedule I think they run oval every other Sunday. They have some pretty good racers there who can help. Jonathin McMinn, Bill Autcherlone, George Mease, Everett Lane, Ray Gulliver etc. Good guys.... Just mention the name Al Spina. Several of these guys are old Cockeysville racers.

I forgot to mention that they race for money on a points series basis. They run a winter series 10 or 12 weeks and a portion of each entry fee goes in the pot. If you win the series you get a couple of hundred bucks.

Thanks Pete,
Thats great info. My next question is. 10L4 , LRP Competition charger, and MX3 radio. and a couple 1.8v 420rt 3300 battery packs. Will this stuff be competative. I know now I need some 3800`s. Any help would be appreciated.

No problem. Daniel Edmonds is the 10L4 guy to see at Glen Burnie. Tires will be important so keep a few dollars aside for black, white and grey tires.

We had a money race in Plattsburgh NY in the spring,it was a Race of Champions race with only A -main winners and past trophie race winners and track champions eligible
there was no hack fest or fighting,that's the promoters job to make sure rough riding on the track is delt with.i don't think money races every week is a good thing,or a race that's open to all,we also made everyone race our sportsman rules handout motor with a gear rule,and let me say that even though a sponsored guy won our local sportsman drivers gave them all they wanted.it was great racing.

Dan Dubuque