The officers met on Wed. 21 September and are please to announce the following details for the upcoming Carpet Season;



After much deliberation and input from racers through-out the summer months the decision was made to split the racing program into an “Oval” and “Road-Course” format. This will require only one track change per day and make each half of the program run smoother.



Please refer to the Club’s web site for the tentative schedule. You will see that the season is split with each class in the AM and PM for half of the season. If for some reason both the Oval and T/C racers decide to keep a certain arrangement for the entire year, this is not a problem with the officers.



Timing for the day should work out to be:

9:00 – 9:30 Set-up

9:30 –10:00 AM Session Practice

10:00- 1:00 AM Session Race

1:00 – 1:30 PM Session Practice

1:30 – 4:30 PM Session Race



To compliment the new race format, the traditional track set-up crew is being eliminated in favor of all racers in the AM session will be expected to pitch-in with track set-up, just as all racers in the PM session will be expected to pitch in with track tear-down. This way the more racers that participate in the work the quicker things can be accomplished and the les time everyone spends non-racing.



PM session racers are encouraged to arrive earlier than their practice time to allow for set-up, battery charging, PM Session Sign-ups and track change-over.



Speaking of tracks, there will be a “Track of the Month”, for both Oval and T/C racers. Again this will minimize that difficulty in track set-up, mix things up every 4 weeks and allow racers enough time to get a good set-up while still challenging the racers skills in both the driving and chassis arenas.



We are re-instituting the “Club Motor” rule for all stock motor classes (other than novice). For now, do not load up on Motors and stay tuned for more details.



Racing will be the same low price of $10 first entry, $5 second and $5 for novice. This is subject to attendance being large enough to pay the bills. We all hope this will remain the case as the Boys and Girls club has agreed to hold the hourly rate for the 6th year in a row.



Bring on the Mini-t racers. We have had a lot of interest in this class and are more than happy to start you racers a division in either (or both) oval and road course.

Sunday, 9 OCt is the annual meeting, Dirt Trophy presentation and work day to get ready for the carpet season. Pizza and Soda provided.

See Ya ................ Soon ............. At The Track
Kirt

Wanted

Race Directors for Oval and /or Touring Car

No Experience requried Will Train

Must be able to speak, not necessarily make sense :p

Is there any membership required to race with the club over the winter season? I would love to learn how to race direct, the only thing is I plan on racing oval 1/18th in the AM and tourring stock class in the PM.

i got wind of cdrc getting new carpet, any validation?

No problem, as over the past few years the tace director's position has been "shared" between a couple of people, so they can still both race.

Membership fee has been $10 for the first family member and $5 for the rest of the family, $5 per person goes to the Boy's and Girl's Club for their insurance and registration fees.

well I am interested let me know,
Thanks Phil

Let me first state that i have never been in favor of the split day thing. It still takes 40 minutes to chargeyour sticks and that will create down time. By the end of the season last year change over was 5 to 10 minutes tops. When we set a road course no plan was in place so time is wasted. I say we pick 5 lay outs and stick with em.
Club motor will not slow the fastest of the fast down,Do your homework and find its all in chassis! Motor and batterie dont win races its the driver and car. When i do travel my hand outs will be useless to me and others. Team oachs got all my hand outs last year,now where will they go.
Putnam ran a motor clinic last year..... Very few people went. Ill admitt i was else where racing but motors are not the problem. I say tear em down so there is no question of mixed arms and cans. Club motor is a garbage rule that sets the club back $$$. The racers also.
The 2 forms of racing complement each other in may ways and have there epic battles.
This is a club so all races get a vote, the officers ultimatly decide the out come. Where was the voting in all of this.
Any other comments please reply!
I have more statements and answers...
Mike Croll

whad up croll. mike i havent been to the club in a while, but i thought that splitting them up was a good idea, i know some of the oval guys stopped racing the club because of all the classes they run it was taking all day long. i agree with you that a club motor is not the way to go. like in our case we run mod 99% of the time, if no body shows to run mod, then we may run a couple times in stock, now if we have to get a club motor, we'll probably pack it up for the day. it has the oppertunity to cut out some once in a while racers. the idea of stock to begin with is to set a level playing field. the guys that are fast with their own stuff will be fast with the club stuff so it wont do anything to make stock any more even. also getting new carpet will bring a bigger crowd, there is another somewhat local track that is falling apart, and if the club gets new rug i think that people will race the club rather than the other.
chris harrington

Well here it goes, I am NOT a fan of the club motors PERIOD , It cost's money to both the club and racer and no matter what u do to keep an even playing field u need to have a TECH INSPECTOR that actually does TECH, ya know rippin motors down lookin at them ETC , ETC not just checking for dragging screws and then goin on to the next car ....Lets face it we all have motors and dont need anymore. .......2nd'ly I along with many others was part of the original split shit era and many many nights DID NOT LEAVE THE BOYS CLUB UNTIL 7 or 8 pm .
3rd'ly I think u needed to concentrate the people who are members vote on what needs to be done , and to work on getting quality people to do the jobs , it should be plain and simple NO HELP , NO RACE !!!!!!
Those private meeting u all all have are crap without club members being there , remember i've been there and was once accused of running a Hitler type program by Paul Svennson. And gee i had 90 entrys every week .
Please note these are just my opinion and are not meant to harm anyone or CDRCSCC
I have throughly enjoyed racing at CDRCSCC for many years and hope to continue to do so , along with enjoying racing at RACING CITY in GF.
Lastly we need to remember that there are only 2 places to carpet race locally and we need to support them as much as possible no matter what they do !!!!!

"THE TRUCK GOD"

p.s. pEOPLE NEED TO STEP UP TO PLATE HIT A HOME RUN AND HELP OUT TO MAKE WHAT IS GOING ON BETTER ! DON'T JUST COMPLAIN OVER AND OVER AND NOT HELP OUT !

LOL you guys are funny!

My two cents in all this:

I like the idea of the shift Idea but I agree with Mike you need time to recharge packs. With the technology of batteries, we need longer charge times!

As for the handout motor rule, unless it`s a rule where the motor goes back in a tube in the locked cabinet at the end of the day, it isnt worth it, because who knows what people do to them when they are not at the track.......????

IMO, Let the brushed exit stage left, and bring on the BRUSHLESS!!!!!!!!


I also agree Tech needs to be stepped up.

I like the idea of splitting up the classes. I don't know when the change over only took 5 or 10 minutes as stated above, but during the times that I was there it was more like 1/2 hour. I like the idea of 5 different courses though. Some of the courses were so crazy that even the designer was confused! The only way to improve things is to try different stuff. Lets give Kirt and whoever else sets the rules the benefit of the doubt and see how things go. Sometimes change is hard to accept.
Alvin, I didn't realize you were a member of the club!

I will agree that change is hard to accept Mr.Razoo and I applaud all that Kirt has done with and for the club, I was just speaking from past experiance with the split shift thing .......getting out at 7 or 8 is not feasable in my eyes . Honestly as u know i was hoping for roadcourse on saturday night and oval on sunday morning but u just can get what ya want , sorry i'm so voicestress sometimes .....LOL

U racin this week ?

Gettin out at 7 or 8 would be very bad :freak: . I didn't know it was tried before. I still think its worth a try, if it doesn't work then go back to the old way. I'm not sure about racin this weekend-depends on the weather, if it rains I'll be there.

I hear ya , you'll probably be flyin ,,,the weather man says 70-75 deg on saturday .......have fun , good luck .........how's the B4 lookin ?

With split classes, you'll see me there more often.

Club motors???
Really, really, really,
The top 3 finishers motors can be bought for RETAIL by anyone in the "B" main or "A" main. Cash, first come first serve.
That will allow guy's to get the fast stuff, if that's what they want.

REALLY IT WILL WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Later, Bret

Good feedback Gentlemen keep it us; I promise I won't take things personally (unless it’s a donation to the racing team LOL) as after all I'm only the Secretary. Along with the other officers we’re trying to prevent another year of rather large financial loss during the carpet season while keeping the racing fun, economical and less time consuming. We realize this is a change, and change is always viewed with skepticism. However, to lead is seldom a winner in a popularity contest. One thing is for sure, the Club works best when we rally around the goals and work together. It’s the oldest cliché, but it truly does take only one rotten apple to spoil the bushel.

The club’s motor rule primary purpose has not been properly explained. However, it is very interesting that most thought it was intended to prevent “creative” motor tuning shall we say. The primary reason is a fundraiser. In reviewing our history, the racing fees have only paid for the rent, while selling motors and 50-50 raffle tickets kept us solvent. Seeing as everyone needs to buy motors anyway, why not raise funds that way in lieu of raising the weekly rate. Secondarily, if you have been following some of the post regarding stock motors this summer there has been a plethora of incidents where motors of “mixed-breed” and even factory motors being “out-of-spec” hav ecaused an minor uproar. A Club motor is a way to even and flatten the playing field; with everyone starting with motors from the same batch.

As far as the Novice racer goes, they will be allowed to run ANY ROAR legal stock motor, purchased or handout. The last thing in the world we want to do is squeeze the little guy any more.

Now, this motor claiming rule is an interesting one, maybe that’s an avenue to explore more.

See Ya ………Soon………….At The Track :thumbsup:
Kirt

Brett,
I've offered/advertised that my motors and batteries are for sale right out of my car...no problem, no questions asked...yet there still are some who are skeptical about what I am running. One way or the other, we need to make the masses feel as if it is a level playing field.
If we can do the club motor deal and it accomplishes this, and puts some revenue back in the clubs pockets, I'm all for it. If the answer is to raise the entry and keep it as a bring your own motor, that works too.
I think the consensus at the meeting last Wednesday, (I wasn't there due to the Vegas race) was to use a club motor.
Whatever we decide as a majority works for me...:thumbsup:

-TP

Razoo maby the first lay out of the day takes longer but its all in the planning. Thats why i say pick FIVE. Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb. Thats even simple enough for you.

Any time i watch oval i get an itch to go back,thats why i dont want to split the day.

Oval is where i started in the hobby. I just decided to turn left and right. About 4 years ago. Its called evolution.

Motor deal is crap,not that it matters to me,but its NOT about motor talk with any one with skills. They can set you straight.

Kc bad apples hope thats not me. I like it as it was. Ive always been around for tear down, t/c usually ran last as far as i remember.

I like the time inbetween to wrench, but i geuss we can all tollerate the same piece of junk on a layed out track week after week. Its the same for every one.:drunk:

Mike Croll

In no way was the Bad Apple analogy singling out anyone, simply an old saying from an olde guy.

Jeez Dirt just because I don't agree with you theres no reason to get snotty. Its called a difference of opinion. :rolleyes:

BRING ON THE BRUSHLESS !!!!!!!


LONG LIVE BRUSHLESS !!!!!!!!


DILLIGAFF FOREVER !!!!!!!!!

AMEN BROTHER!!!!


After seeing disruptors post, I do have a couple questions regarding the mini`s if there is a class? What rules will be layed down, what motors are we going to run??? Foam tires only I assume!

Also the bigger Questions, Will Lithium packs be allowed. I myself would like to use them and I know a few others already do, but my biggest concern is the that a lithium battery in the hands of someone who does not know what they are doing is very dangerous. They have a ton of power but can do as much damage as a hand grenade can, when mistreated.

Just a thought!

And an automobile has a 16 gallon bomb called a gas tank. LOL

Being a 1/18th scale neophyte, I’d like to turn to those in the class for advice. However, in my opinion (not the Club’s official position) that there be a RTR 1/18th scale class that can be a great Novice and driver development class. I’d hate to see what typically happens is the serious racer gets into this class and buys 3 times the price of the kit in hop-ups. Now the up side of having both is when the Novice gets the ‘sperience (as DW would say) then they can use the base model and hop it up.



Another thought the Club had for the 1/18th class was to make things more interesting that just oval is to add a road-rail or two and a few dots to make the oval have an off-road feel to it and bring the driving back into the game. After all, there are already plenty of oval classes, but the credo stands, it only takes 3 to make a class. We are also open to allowing the 1/18th guys to run the Road Course as well.



Speaking of Road Course, we have made the decision to have the “Track of the Month” for both Oval and T/C. These should be planned out during the 9 October organizational meeting. We also recognize that some of last years layout were well beyond National Level caliber and will be looking to scale them back some along with creating layouts that are easily altered for a slightly easier Rookie course.



See Ya ……………..On The Rug :thumbsup:

Kirt

Hey Kirt I can see the meeting will be Oct 9 but where is it being held. I know I'm not an "official" club member but I'd like to be a fly on the wall if it's OK with you. Plus maybe some continuity between venues can be achived to help those that want to race @ Racing City on Friday (On-Road) & Saturday (Oval) and then run @ the club on Sundays. Just my 2 cents.

John

well whatever class u have ur gonna have some guy who knows what he`s doing, and blow people away. If u get 5 guys like me, phil, sr, put us in our own class. Just make it an open class.

AS for the lipo`s maybe a rule that they have to be charged in a fire proof container, Ammo container for example!

I'm bad
The meeting is at the Boys and Girls Club, starting at noon, with lunch provided.
Class and rule coordination always a good idea; and you don't have to be an offical or Club member to have a good idea.

put us in our own class.
Is that you don't hack the newbies????:D

I've been racing at renns.for a long time and to me the motor rule was a good idea,because it kept the cost down.. Without a club motor rule,you might get a few new people racing and go out and spend like $100.00 on moters.Where you can spend less and support the club........WE ARE THE CLUB........



see ya all oct.9 peace

Brett,
I've offered/advertised that my motors and batteries are for sale right out of my car...no problem, no questions asked...yet there still are some who are skeptical about what I am running. One way or the other, we need to make the masses feel as if it is a level playing field.
If we can do the club motor deal and it accomplishes this, and puts some revenue back in the clubs pockets, I'm all for it. If the answer is to raise the entry and keep it as a bring your own motor, that works too.
I think the consensus at the meeting last Wednesday, (I wasn't there due to the Vegas race) was to use a club motor.
Whatever we decide as a majority works for me...:thumbsup:

-TP

I've heard you say that, and I've done the same, but nobody stepped up to do it. Maybe if it were a rule, more people would embrace it, and not feel funny about it. I think it'd be fun, I'd buy your motor every time you won :p , man, I'd have alot of motors :eek:

Later, Bret

I would like t o know ' how in-expensive are these motors going to be ' ???

I know when u buy a pair of them at Tower there like $27 a motor and i also know that the last time the club had handouts they were like $20
Just curious . I may not agree with the HANDOUT motor deal but will support the club and do whatever i can physiclly do to lend a helping hand and see the club make some money .

What about some car raffle's or battery raffles or motor raffles or tires etc etc etc , A gift certificate raffle to a Hobby Shop ?

If u want me to Head up the raffle dept i will , just let me know

I'd just like to say that I'm very impressed with Kirt's vocabulary. I wonder if he listens to tapes while he travels!

na I dont wanna hack the newbies, wally! I save that for when your in town!!!!!!! Dun make me get out the steel nerf bars!:devil:

Why Thank you Jason, I'm glad to see that the 18 years of vocabulary lessons from my children is paying off. They'd be proud. Now if someone could only help me master this keyboarding thing!



Motor scope of supply and pricing are being worked on a quickly as we can. Our last discussions with the supplier have lead us to a complete; RTR motor, with brushes and springs; but not tuned. Springs would be allowed to be changed to any spring a racer chooses, as they would need to be different for the various cars anyway, but brushes would be required to be kept. Yes spare brushes will also be available and they can be drilled, filed, honed, cut, timed; whatever one thinks is best.



See Ya……………. On The Rug :thumbsup:

Kirt

PS; Wally: You should have seen Jr at this weeks DIRT race with his Mini. First while leading, he flinches trying to pass a backmarker and puts his car on it's roof in the infield. Looses the lead and then proceeds to try and hack the leader each time he's about to be lapped, missing both times, and costing Jr two more laps. Some things never change. LOL

na I dont wanna hack the newbies, wally!

Now Alvin, we all know that you don't discriminate when it comes to hacking and slashing....everyone is a potential target!

he flinches trying to pass a backmarker and puts his car on it's roof in the infield

That's what happens when he tries to hack on purpose...normally it's just random!!!:wave:

its called brain fade, we all get it!!!! I didnt hack phil???? I was trying to pass him, and I was only half a lap down unless I was in the wrong race????

its getting harder and harder to turn left when I am turning left, right, up down, diagnally, inverted, knife edge, and if u really want fun try a rolling circle, upside down rightside, and left and right all in the same thought!:roll:

Hi Everyone, :) This is Gary Hallenbeck The Capitol District Clubs President. I have read all posts up to this point and everyone has good Ideas. Write them down and bring them with you on October 9th 2005 to Renn. Boys club @12:00 noon. To let you all know I will not be stiring the pot this year as I did last year so Relax. The DIRT season brings in money and the Carpet season spends it. The dirt tracks are free to use and the Boys club is not, simple. The motor idea is to make some money as we have in the past about 400 free and clear after expenses. If any one can give the club that amount than we won't have to sell motors. (I don't see too many of you baking cakes and brownies to sell). Car speed is not just the chassis it is a combination of everything, Tires,Battries,Body,Motor,Driving style, Charging amps & type charger,Car building-assembly, Gearing, etc. We can make this club better. Looking forward to October 9th 12:00 noon Renn. Boys & Girls Club. Free pizza & soda to all who show up :) Gary Hallenbeck

Jr. was about on the same straightway as Phil at the finish. He never hacked Phil the whole night. He did put himself on his roof in the infield leading by almost a lap and by the time he was marshalled he was half a lap down and stayed there till the end of the race. Don't tell me the computer said something different because I watched closely as the owner of the car. Sometimes I can't believe the non-sense I read here. No wonder this sport loses racers.

Al Sr.
"I may be biased, but the facts are what they are"

so thats why he blames everything on you ? LOL ...................I'LL BAKE SOME COOKIES ,BROWNIES, Buy MINI DOGS from gus's , whatever u guys need ..................as long as the program is run in a timely fashion, and properly and that includes TECH.............i am only speaking for myself ...........I WILL BE HAPPY....................HAVE A NICE DAY !!!!!!

P.S. ALWAYS REMEMBER THE LITTLE GUYS WHO KEPT U GOING THROUGHOUT THE YEARS , WITH OR WITHOUT STICKERS !!!!!!!!

Well I am aware that many don't really care about my opinion but I am gonna say it anyway.

I think the different shift idea is very bad. I understand that it works out well for those that run strctly oval or strictly road but what about the others that run both oval and onroad? I bring a lot of friends with me that usually race an opposing class then me and know that eliminates that whole carpool idea. I think it would have been better just to sit back and critique the way the racing is ran. Razoo has stated in the past that the format to run the races is two open and not kept. 10 minutes between RACES is not time management. You need to push the schedule fast and strictly...if they are not ready then go without them.

Battery charge time is needed, setup time etc...

club motor? Also bad...people are going to be fast, if you really think they are cheating tear them down...simple as that. Some of us race at other tracks around the area and don't want to favor one motor. Stock is stock...anything else is cheating.

I just think this is going to hurt the club in the long run. Personally I believe that it is going to push some people away but that is my opinion which I am sure is different then others.

I'll drop by here and there but it is looking to me like most of my time will be spent elsewhere. See you all at the track.

Mike(Croll)- I will probably be racing madness this year if you are interested. I got a new car so if u wanna car pool or something let me know.

Jake

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KingCobra, told you before if I catch you posting, I'm changin' the handle.. lol

I am turning left, right, up down, diagnally, inverted, knife edge, and if u really want fun try a rolling circle, upside down rightside, and left and right all in the same thought!:roll:

...and thats with a car!!! LOL!!!!:tongue:

(I hope the "Als" know I'm just bustin chops....Bulldog.)

Yes, I realize. Sometimes I go through quick on lunch hours and the tone of the posts are not clear to me, so I tend to overreact. Please forgive any misinterpretations that I may have made, it is only said with the best intentions for this hobby that I greatly enjoy.:) By the way John Q, your presence was missed at Walt's.

Unfortunately, I now also have to be extra careful as I am being monitored and stalked by the "World Wide MONGOOSE". If I am not careful he will slay the "cobra" with a lengthy discourse on rollout.:eek:

at least all this attention shows that people really care to race in the albany area!

The Mongoose huh, gives me an idea for an addition to the paint scheme!!!!

It could be a very hysssssssssssssterical product when finished!

Dont worry wally, your still the man!!!!

Notice

Due to circumstances within my control, the Trophies for the DIRT season will be handed out on 16 Oct, and not 9 Oct as originally announced.

My humblest apologies.

Kirt

FAJ, do it up, don't be bashful.... Cobra, I'm watching thru beady eyes just waitin'..

DOes anyone know how i can get in touch with Rich K ?

its called brain fade, we all get it!!!! I didnt hack phil???? I was trying to pass him, and I was only half a lap down unless I was in the wrong race????

its getting harder and harder to turn left when I am turning left, right, up down, diagnally, inverted, knife edge, and if u really want fun try a rolling circle, upside down rightside, and left and right all in the same thought!:roll:
There was no hacking that I remember!

We're just bust'n on Al. No facts required. LOL

Kirt

so u mean painting it black and using see thru vinyl isnt what u wanted???