Hi, My name is Les O'Dell, I race 1/10th scale carpet oval in Mt Vernon, Wa. Our Club's Name is N.O.R.A. Northwest Oval Racing Association. Anyway, this year we have brand new ozite and will have somewhere in the neighborhood of 80' straights. We race 6 cell stock oval and 6 cell mod oval. Now I know some of you might think we're crazy to try and run 6 cell mod, but its been a really fun class. Last year all 9 MOD race nights were won by 2 different drivers. Many had too much trouble getting any power to stick to the ground and just kind of ended up running another class. I am currently trying to convince the club to allow wings in mod. I think it will give the cars more stability that will help out alot of drivers and as a whole make racing more competitive and racing cleaner and better control for all. I know alot more clubs run wings than don't. Anyway, I'd like your advice on whether you think that we should allow wings or not and why. Our meeting is tommarow, and I plan on printing this thread and taking it to the meeting so keep that in mind when posting. I know that there are alot of very experienced racers on here and would love if you could share some input with our club. Thanks for your help.


Les O'Dell
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Are track in honesdale pa just put down new ozite also!! Great stuff!! I would deff say you should be allowed to run a wing!! It will keep the car planted in the rear to keep the tires form spinning! And will make the car more stable! We even run wings in our 19 turn class and you might even see some one come in with a wing for 4 cell stock. my Choice would be to run a wing it is a must in mod!!!!. I would make it the racers choice if they want to run it let them if they dont they dont have to let it be up to the driver?

Brandon Snyder

I would not run a six cell stock without a wing these days, much less a 6 cell mod car.
The motors and batteries are so much more powerful now. You should switch to 4 cell stock and Mod. It would lower the cost of batteries and keep broken parts down.
If you think 4 cell stock with 27 turn motor is to slow use the 21 turn trinity spec motor.

Running 6 cell mod without a wing is more like point and shoot than racing, the cars are too much over the edge than on it. I would rather let the wings for the stability with that much power. Racing will be better and you'd get more guys to do it if they will be able to have a little more control of the cars. I've even run wings in 6 cell mod on a banked tracks because the power to weight ratio is so great. The biggest issue will be better racing and less wrecks with the wings.

Thanks everybody thats great advice, please keep the comments comming. And thanks for taking the time.


Lester

I would adapt the wing rules from ROAR or ARCOR. That way you would have a standard set of rules to go by.

Without a doubt conform to Roar or another sanctioning body rules are. That way if you go outside your local area you know what to do and how to do it. Wings are a must in most cases especially 19 turn and mod. Go to 4 cell as well. There is very little 6 cell left except in a couple of areas. And run 4 min. races. Im not sure if I have the right track but I know there is a track in Washinton that is running 6 cell 5 min. modified. I only say this because if you would ever race outside your group you will be better prepared for what is to come and how to set your cars up to it.

Strap a Buds Super Wing on it and let er RIP
that wing is legal by the way, LOL

with 6 cell stock i used to run a wing on about 80 foot str8 but it was mounted to the body i tryed to run 19 turn like that and man u need it on the pod or the wing wont help if it didnt work in 19 it will not work in mod so keep trying to get them to go with the rule change and i tell on that short of a track they are sick to watch!!!!!!!!

Allow ROAR legal wings in every class. Mount the wing to your body for flat carpet, not the pod. Probably 70% use wings in 4 cell stock on flat carpet, let alone 6 cell mod. In 12 years of racing flat carpet I've never once run without a wing. The only class where you can be fast wingless is 4 cell stock and even then I'd opt for the wing especially in the main.

Hello,

My Name is Jim. I also race in Mount Vernon, Washington. I am a teammate of Lester's and I am also trying to get the Pan Car Wing approved at our club.

Here are some questions that we are looking to be answered for us:

Can you offer some examples of major benifits to using a wing in 6 cell Modified Pan Oval?

How has it impacted your class?

Has car count improved or decreased in this class as a result?

Has it saved anyone money in parts or tires?

Has it improved the quality of racing?

How has it affected the handling of you car?

Do you feel racing has become more enjoyable as a result or more frustrating?

Who do you feel benefits most from a wing... A driver that is good at car setup and is already winning... or a driver who is maybe not as good with setup and is newer to the class or running in the middle of the Pack???

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Any input is appreciated fellas. There is a lot of tradition associated with our club up here and at times it is very hard to get new ideas to pass in our club. The "wing thing" is a very new idea up here and your ideas are definatly welcome.

Thanks,

Jim Glasgow

Putnam Propulsion

We have always allowed wings. We run 6 cell stock on flat carpet and 4 cell brushless. I feel that the wing allows the drivers who have less skill and setup knowledge to drive with confidence. I have run faster without a wing but in traffic you can get in trouble (loose!!!). As far as car count I don't think it will help much. But for guys running 6 cell mod I wouldn't run without one. More side by side racing and less handling issues will definitely prevail. Lower number of wrecks because of handling problems may result in lower repair costs for all involved.

Plus the local hobby shop will enjoy the extra sales of wings and mounting kits.

Lowered powered cars (like 4 cell stock or spec) in most cases are faster w/o a wing. But track conditions can affect this result.

Personally I would like to see wings come off of stock cars because a guy who can set a wingless car can be faster but the handling sweet spot is smaller. A wing allows to have a bigger "sweet spot" for handling.

Great Feedback Guys!!! Still looking for more input... Keep it comming...


Thanks,

Jim Glasgow

Putnam Propulsion

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JPG3333,

Most of your questions are targeted at those people who have raced places that did not allow wings and then switched. Everywhere I have ever raced or heard of has always allowed wings, except in specialty classes, (i.e. busch, cup, beginner or whatever they want to call it). In the 6 cell days a wing was a must in every class. Nowadays some are fast without wings in 4 cell stock, but otherwise a wing is a must in any other class other than 4 cell stock.

I could list a bunch of reasons to run wings, but it is simpler to say that there are no positives to not allowing wings.

A big part of what a wing does vs. a spoiler is straight line stability. I couldnt imagine running mod on any track without one.
when I first started racing 15 years ago we raced on a wood roller rink with 12 turn motors, 7 cells,off road pin spikes ,and used a side lexan dam down the entire right side of the car. It was like racing on ice, but the dam gave enough straight line stability to keep the cars driveable.
Perhaps you could explore the "grey area" in the rules and mount a couple of lexan fins on the rear deck vertically, similar to the roof rails on the high DF bodies only bigger? Some of those cars reallt benefitted from just that alone.

Biggest reason for your club to allow wings??? Less wrecks, easier passing, more fun. Some track dont allow wings to preserve the "scale appearance" which I think is a joke personally. Real cars dont have a fraction of the power to weight ratio R/c cars have, or scream down the straight at 350 MPH and slam into a hairpin on a flat surface. Closest thing would be a formula one car, and we all know what would happen if they lost a wing.

Thanks alot for taking the time to give your opinion.

Lester