Here are the dates we will be racing in Huntington, In. at the PAL CLUB.

2005
... Sept 18
...Oct 2, 16 & 30
...Nov 13 & 27
...Dec 11

2006
...Jan 8 & 22
...Feb 5 & 19
...Mar 5 & 19
...Apr 2 & 23

Unless otherwise notified, we will be getting into the PAL CLUB at 3:00 pm and sign ups for registration will close at 4:15 pm



I will list the classes in the next day or so.
........Dave

I am ready , been having withdrawl.
Dark Knight

If anyone has any questions or need directions call Barry at 260-356-4362 in the afternoons or cteamcyclery@sbcglobal.net

The classes we are running at the Huntington, In. PAL CLUB:
..C and C Sprints...Custom Works or Cobra Nemesis. Motors- Super Sport Novak Brushless sys. 5800 series, or 13 turn or more brushed. Battery-
..19 turn 4 cell pan class... Motors- 19 turn fixed timing. Battery- any 4 cell. Pan car chassis with nascar style body/ wings.
..19 turn modifieds...Motors- 19 turn Trinity Chameleon no mod to motors. Battery- 6 cell 3300ma max. Bodies- modified or "mud bus". Chassis- full suspension Buggy or off road truck ( no pan car chassis or parts of). Drive train- fully enclosed gear box type.
..Modified pan class...Chassis- pan car/ direct drive. Body- sprint car, mud bus or Nascar. Motor- 5800 brussless sys. Battery- any
..Pro Pan...Chassis- pan car. Body- Nascar/ wings. Battery- any 6 cell. Motor- 27 turn Roar approved
..Open Pan...Chassis- any Body- any Motor- any Battery- any (hang on)
..Sportsman or Busch class...Chassis- pan car/ direct drive. Body- Nascar Battery- 4 cell 3300ma. max, no lithium. Motor- 27 turn Roar approved.
..All Star Sprint Car...Bolink body and chassis. Motor- 27 turn Roar approved.
..Novice...Open class for all newcomers. Any car or truck. Foam tires.
..Jr. Novice... 6yrs and under. Foam tires.
..Touring cars... To be announced.
.......Dave

couldnt have said it better myself

Dark Knight

Race Schedule for 2005-2006 Season...

Sept. 18,2005

Oct. 2nd
Oct. 16th
Oct. 30th

Nov. 13th
Nov. 27th

Dec. 11th

Jan. 8th,2006
Jan. 22nd

Feb. 5th
Feb. 19th

Mar. 5th
Mar. 19th

Apr. 2nd
Apr. 23rd NO POINTS RACE

LOCATION:
P.A.L. Club
2099 Riverside Drive
Huntington, Indiana

Indoor Carpet Oval Racing... Doors Open at 3:00 PM, Sign Up 4:00 to 4:30, Racing Starts at 5:00

Tables, Chairs, and Power are supplied.
Hi Guys,
I had this version posted in Race Events for a couple months... Zig

Hey Zig
I began to wonder what had happened to you. figured your wife had you busy doing Honey do things or shopping or that kind of stuff.
I think we should have a pretty good group in the Modifieds this next season. have had several getting cars ready.
Dark Knight

hey guys, brushless pan do you fellows run 4 cell or 6 cell ?

couldnt have said it better myself

Dark Knight
Huntington County Racing Association
Policies and rules for 2004/5

Huntington Racing is to promote fun in Radio control racing . We would like to remind you that there is no profit from any of our races for any individual or business. Proceeds from racing go to the use of the P.A.L. building and facilities and the remainder go to the association for upkeep on equipment.

We request your help in setting up the track at the beginning of the race day and also in tearing down at the end of the race day. You had the fun also so please pitch in and help with the work.

There is to be no alcohol at the races inside or outside. Smoking is permitted outside of the building. No profanity please , there are women and children present.

Please do not bother the people running the computer timing equipment , they have enough to do without people coming over to ask about races or who placed where . just listen and you will be told where everyone placed.

We run two heats and a main , You will race then place your car on the inspection table until after you have corner marshaled. If you do not corner marshal when it is you time to you will collect no points the race that evening. Sorry but some people just don’t think they have to corner marshal .

Race Fees this year will be $7.00 for the first car and $5.00 for any other cars that you are running . This is you not including your buddies or a package deal for a group. Children cars will be included for $5.00

Novice class is $5.00

When you are finished with your heat or main , you will bring your car to the spec table in the area of the scoring table and it will remain there until you are finished marshalling. The car will also be techd there.

If you are determined to be illegal in your class you will be given until the next race to correct the problem . No excuses We all have to run by the rules.

Radios will be placed on radio tables and no radios will be on unless you are on deck racing.

As of now we will not allow any lithium batteries or any NIMH over 3300 mah. In any class. The reason is to keep cost down and to make everyone more competitive.

C and C Sprinters….
Cars must be either the Custom Works Sprinter with wing or the Team Cobra Nemesis with wing.
Motors must be the Super sport Novak brushless system 5800 series or 13 turn or more motor.
6 Cell batteries of any type.up to and including 3300 mah . No lithium will be allowed

19turn 4 cell class…..
Motors are 19turn fixed time , batteries – any 4 cell battery. Pan car chassis with nascar style body and buds wings on rear may be used.

19turn modifieds….
Motors will be 19 turn Trinity Chameleon motors with no modifications . Batteries will be any 6 cell of no more than 3300 MAH. Bodies will be the modified or “ mud bus “ design. These are produced by Mcallister and Custom Works. The Chassis will be of a full suspension Buggy or off road truck ( No Pan car chassis or parts) and No truck wheels or tires. Drive train will be a fully enclosed gear box type. Such as rc-10.

Modified pan class….
Pan car chassis with direct drive , Body will be either sprint car or modified ( mud bus) body. Motors will be no less than 13turn or Novak super sport brushless system.
Batteries are open ( anything goes)

Pro Pan …..
Pan car chassis with Nascar style car body. Any 6 cell battery
27 turn roar approved motor . Buds wings allowed.

Open pan….
Any pan chassis , Any body with Any motor with Any battery. Anything goes. ( hang on)

Sportsman or Busch class…
Pan car chassis with direct drive. Nascar style late model body, 4cell battery up to 3300 mah no lithium And Roar stock motor

All Stars…
Bolink all star chassis and body . 27turn Roar approved motor with 1600 MAH Street spec batteries. No modifications to motor or chassis other than approved by drivers.

Novice …
This is an open class to get newcomers some experience, please use common sense and do not over power your car . Start slow and learn as you go . Any car or truck is acceptable unless otherwise stated by attending race officials .

Junior Novice…
this class is for the little guys and gals we would like to keep this class for 6 and under. Cars or trucks must be approved by race officials.

Touring cars…
To be announced .

Here I go again...
I "STILL" think that this is a miss-match!

Have been reading some stuff on other threads here at Hobby Talk, and I'm gathering that the SS5800 is equall to a 9 turn mod, and with the SS+ speed control or Novak's Newest one is equall to 8-1/2 turns...

So... Why are the Mods limited to 13 turns, That's like saying that if you want to run a V6 engine against V8s you have to take a spark plug out of the V6 :confused:

Shouldn't it be SS 5800 Brushless or Six Cell "OPEN" Modifieds

ZIG

Not to butt in but the 5800 is equal to a 17turn brushed motor. The new 5.5 and 6.5 systems are equal to 11 and 13 turn motors.

Good luck with your new season.

Sonny

Smokey
I think some of the guys are talking about 4 cell brushless, but I dont know if anything has been decided as of yet.In fact the rules that are posted were sent to the guys to see if they wanted anything changed or not.
Dark Knight

Not to butt in but the 5800 is equal to a 17turn brushed motor. The new 5.5 and 6.5 systems are equal to 11 and 13 turn motors.

Good luck with your new season.

Sonny

I'm glad you butted in, but I don't agree with you...
Thanks, ZIG

hmmmmmm no I agree with Sonny....he knows alot about the brushless motors.. and he works at a big r/c distrubutor..so he's right

Hello, Sonny B & j21moss

Thanks guys, I understand that "in theory" you double the turns of the brushless motor to equall a brushed motors turns... correct?

Well, I tried to compete with the rest of the guys in our C&C sprint class all last season.
They are Cobra Nemesis and Custom Works direct drives,We run 3300 NiMH packs.
All of the other racers ran the SS5800 System, I ran Reedy Tri-Sonic 13 turn Quints and all of the others could just leave me behind on the straight-a-ways like I was in reverse! I also tried a 13 double and blew the windings off the arm.

We had an outdoor race this summer and I broke down and bought a SS5800 system.
I had a little bit of trouble with the thing glitching but when it didn't glitch, it's faster than any motor I've ever had.

I ran one heat with the limited RPM program, It gitched in the second heat,and I parked the car before it got crashed, I had a little time to think about it before the main... It was over 90 degrees outside, in the sun, on real hot asphalt so I knew a couple of guys would thermal out... I geared down 2 teeth, reset the sc to unlimited rpm min. brakes, and left the 3300 battery out and ran a Trinity 1600 mah spec pack instead,and won :thumbsup:

I am a kinda low-tec racer, but didn't just fall off the turnip truck either...
I've raced RC cars for over 15 years and have won a lot of races.

I guess all I'm trying to say is that if the brushless systems are this much faster, and cannot be matched equally to the mods, then the mods should not be limited... AT ALL !

Thanks Again Guys
ZIG

I don't know much about any brushless systems but from what I have seen on the forums and from race results, 4 cell 19 and 4 cell brushless have very similar speeds. I do know that at Pete's with the brushless compared to mod in the sprints that they are also similar in speed. We use to run 12x2 and 12x1 right around that range. I have noticed that the sprints with the brushless don't seem to have as much rip off the corners as before. I'm thinking that the reason they are turning the same laps now is because the brushless isn't as fast and lets the cars handle better. The 6 cell brushless pan cars weren't as fast as the 6 cell stock cars. But the brushless cars handle a lot worst. We will find out for sure this fall at Pete's. I'm going to run some 4 cell 19 with some outside guys that come in while the regular group will be running 4 cell brushless. Then I can compare for myself. Call Pete or Ken and ask them what they think about this topic as they both have ran mod and brushless sprints.

Hello,Z-Main Loser
Didn't they used to run 7 cell in the sprints at Pete's before going brushless?
ZIG

Nope, just 6.

Hmmmm....
I think your rite, maybe I should call Pete and ask?
Thanks,
ZIG

Smokey,
....We ran a pan car of Ted Poulson's, last year with 4 cell 5800 brush less sys. I thought the car ran real good with this set up.
j21moss,
....I plan on running the Maverick chassis this year. All I need to do is give Jake a call. I have a '03 Maverick (in the box yet) I got from Jake a few years ago. Work did not allow me to race that year. Last year I ran the Custom Works Sprint car, with a brush less sys. Hope to run more this year.
.......Dave

For got to say, RACING THIS SUNDAY AT THE PAL CLUB. Hope to see you there.
......Dave......from the "PITS".

Dave
Got your bodies in. Pretty cool.
Dark Knight

Dave, kewl!!! I got mine last spring from Jake, and still haven't put it together yet.. got to get a L4 kit to build it right..Brad Hayes talked me into it, so I listened.. I got 2 other cars that Brad designed when he had ADX and they are still pretty good cars so we'll see how it goes this winter... can't wait until rug season starts.. probably run at Stout Field in Indy most of the season but will travel to Terre Haute, Fort Wayne, Huntington and other tracks in the state so I can get out more... also probably go to that track in Cincy to see what they got,so anyway sooner or later we'll cross paths at the track so until then...Race On!!! :thumbsup:

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6 cell spec is called bush and the 4 cell spec is called sportsman.

Hello

I thought the sportsman class was 6 cell spec battery ? Need to know

Steve Shafer

last year 2004-2005

Barry C is getting the Sportsman Pan Class back up and running. This class is for the racers that want to run fast at a lower cost. Rules: pan car, stock car body, stock motor, 1600ma stick battery (you can get these batteries at C Team Cyclery; Phone: 260-356-4362). This is a good class to run. Thanks Barry
Also thanks for me.....Dave.
Last edited by rc man : 01-31-2005 at 03:

this year 2005 -2006

Sportsman or Busch class...Chassis- pan car/ direct drive. Body- Nascar Battery- 4 cell 3300ma. max, no lithium. Motor- 27 turn Roar approved

Hey Steve
Im sorry , been so busy that I didnt remember to get ahold of you. Yes , since other tracks are running 4 cell stock we changed ours over to 4 cell so we could inter race with other tracks and drivers.
Dont worry about it for the first race or two , you can still run the 6 cells since we changed and forgot to tell you.
my apologies.
Dark Knight

Dark Knight
i think that it was the right thing to do Hopefully it will draw more racers . I will not be able to attend Sunday Steph & Hannah have a softball doubleheader in Peru.
See you guys in Oct.
Steve- stabgnid

curious on touring car, do u have a class stock 6 cell, and do u gentlemen change the heats, say i qualify high in my heats do i get transferred with better drivers in the main if i wanted to run my pan car thx

Cmon Dave that is your question to field.

Steve sorry to hear you wont be there , see ya next time.
Dark Knight

hey muddd, get that touring car off those ovals and start turning right. I know you have the talent!!! :tongue:

say i qualify high in my heats do i get transferred with better drivers in the main if i wanted to run my pan car thx
Hello,muddd
We usually have 6 or less cars per class... so the answer would probably be no.

However, in the past when we had more than six cars the points were handed out as if the whole class was one heat... hope this helps!

Zig

RACING TODAY... DOORS OPEN AT 3:00 PM :roll:

...Ran our first race of the year Sep. 18, at the PAL CLUB. We had 23 cars for the night. We got finished a little after 8:30.
...The 4 cell stock pan cars and the 4 cell brush less pan cars look to be the fastest growing classes.
...The brush less sprint cars had 5 cars run in the main. I will be doing repair work on the Custom Works sprint car.
...See every one in two weeks.
....Dave

had a great time .....we will see you soon.....the track was good

Thanks smokey, hope every thing was ok down at BSU. Hope to see you again soon. I also have a 5800 sys to put into a pan car. Hope to have it done before long.
......Dave

Yeah --- so do we.Dave

Dark Knight

What is the address for the place that you are racing at? Might have to make a couple of races this winter.

squeeker138,

...Location:

......P.A.L. Club
......2099 Riverside Drive
......Huntington, In. 46750
We get to the track about 3:00pm to set it up.
Yes Barry me also. Will be working on it some Thursday and Friday. Anyone have some extra time they could give me.
......Dave

Dave
Ill be at the shop Saturday working on mine , Cmon down.
Dark Knight

Barry,
.....I would really like to be able to come down to " C-Team Bike Shop", but I am poping corn this week end.
........Dave

Thanks Rc man and Dark Knight for the directions.

LATE BREAKING NEWS: Summit Raceway, Pete Russells, and Huntington came to agreement on rules friday for the new Indiana Outlaw Sprintcar Series. Dates and other details will be announced soon. Looking forward to racing with everyone this season.

Hoosier Outlaw Sprintcar Series

1. Cars - must be Customworks or Cobra Sprintcar kits. (Gearbox or
direct drive)
2. Motors and Speed Controls - Novak 5800 and GTB system only, to be raced in two separate classes.
3. Batteries - 6 cell
4. Bodies - must be kit body. Can be modified to cut opening to clear
motor, also scoops for cooling purpose.
5. Wings - kit wings must be used and are to be cut to dimensions as per
instructions.
6. Roll cage - full roll cage from kit must be used unless clearance is
necessary for motor protector plate on Cobra sprintcars.
7. Electronics - all electronics other than motor must be inside body.
8. Tires - Any car foam tires allowed.
9. Qualifiers and Mains - 4 minutes each.
10. Ride Height - As per track rules.

Hello Wallyworld
Just wondering why so many rules?

1. Cars - must be Customworks or Cobra Sprintcar kits. (Gearbox or
direct drive)
Gearbox or direct drive? We can't run gearbox at Hunt. or Pete's

2. Motors and Speed Controls - Novak 5800 and GTB system only, to be raced in two separate classes.
No SS4300 or Modifieds?

3. Batteries - 6 cell
6 cell what 3300, 3800, 4700, lithium ?

4. Bodies - must be kit body. Can be modified to cut opening to clear
motor, also scoops for cooling purpose.
Do you have to use the whole body?

5. Wings - kit wings must be used and are to be cut to dimensions as per
instructions.
How about a maximum size instead? Who's instructions Cobras, or CW ?

HMMM....
ZIG

You can run gearbox at Pete's. Custom works cars are gearbox (the new one). Both will be equally as fast. The wing rule is simple use the wing that came with the kit and you will be fine (use the Cobra wing for the cobra car and the CW wing with CW car). I don't understand your question about using the whole body?? Some of the guys do not run the fuel tank on the Cobra car, but I do. It just looks better. As far as the motor rules for the Sprinter at Pete's are any Novak Brushless motor/ speedo combo including 4300(basically a stock motor), 5800(12 turn euquivalant), or the 5.5 or 6.5 with either GTB or SS speedo.


We are trying to keep the rules simple and not get bogged down with too many rules like NASCAR with templates, wt.s etc. This is a MODIFIED class so the motor or speedo won't matter. If the car isn't handling well no motor will make you faster. We kept the "brushless only" a rule to keep the cost down. Mod motors are very expensive to buy and the maintenance very costly too.

hey Ken I just got me a Brushless :-)) maby jams will run the 4 cell brushless class also that would be kinda cool

Ken,
....The reason I suggested the motor rule was because of the different size of the three tracks. After Pete and I talked last week, we said the two class might be the best way to set it up this year. Let me know.
.......Dave

any one with a late model Wana Run Petes this friday let us know i know for sure there will be 2 of us going one with a CW car and the other with a converted 4WD This would Be a Mod Class!! thanks

You can run gearbox at Pete's. Custom works cars are gearbox (the new one). Both will be equally as fast. The wing rule is simple use the wing that came with the kit and you will be fine (use the Cobra wing for the cobra car and the CW wing with CW car). I don't understand your question about using the whole body?? Some of the guys do not run the fuel tank on the Cobra car, but I do. It just looks better. As far as the motor rules for the Sprinter at Pete's are any Novak Brushless motor/ speedo combo including 4300(basically a stock motor), 5800(12 turn euquivalant), or the 5.5 or 6.5 with either GTB or SS speedo.


We are trying to keep the rules simple and not get bogged down with too many rules like NASCAR with templates, wt.s etc. This is a MODIFIED class so the motor or speedo won't matter. If the car isn't handling well no motor will make you faster. We kept the "brushless only" a rule to keep the cost down. Mod motors are very expensive to buy and the maintenance very costly too.

Hi Ken
Pete told us that we couldn't run any of the old Gearbox sprint conversions such as Big Boy Toys, Hot Trick, Ascot ect. because they had a gearbox...
I thought that's why it had to be a custom works are nemesis kit that were direct drive.

I don't understand! Just because CW came out with a kit that has a gearbox in it,they are legal now when you can still buy the directdrive.
BUT... any old gearbox sprint conversion is still illegal even though they are basicly the same thing? CW will still convert your buggy for you if you send it in... Is it a custom works car then? Team Cobra has a plate to bolt a stealth tranny in their nemesis, is that legal now?

The whole body... the tail is what I meant, they aren't just taking the tail off,it's the rear bumper and about 1/2" of chassis material too!

While I'm on this subject,the cars at Pete's are all beefed up with about $100.00 worth of aluminum braces and stiffeners,cvd's,64 pitch gears,associated chassis parts,1/8" spindles ect.

If you can do all of this stuff, What's the big deal about the bodies and wings? If it looks like a sprint car it's a sprint car! Hey Barry,your McCalister wing is as illegal as my homemade hood!

I understand the brushless only deal but don't buy the keeping cost down part,how many guy's have old mod motors and speed controls laying around.
My brushless is in for service so if I had to run a modified or not race at all,my mod motor would be illegal even though I'd get my butt kicked?

Sorry about being so long winded... :confused:
Zig